Solipsism

[Faskist]

I am the only thing that exists. You are all my imagination/automatons, and only I have life and thought.

Prove me wrong.

 

[theincrediblehaxx0r]

Well if everything is your imagination, then you really have a bad imagination because everything follows universal laws, such as you can't destroy matter and Force = mass x acceleration. If everything was your imagination, and you were the one who constructed my DNA, along with every other species on this planet, then you could consider yourself God. And if you were God, I wouldn't be able to prove you wrong because me and everything in the universe would follow the laws layed down by your imagination. And if you were God, you probably wouldn't be on a forum accumulating a large post count. Since the probablity of you being God is probably one in 1x10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 then the chances of you being right are extremely small. So by pure chance, you are wrong.

 

[TJ]

that really doesnt prove him wrong.

 

[theincrediblehaxx0r]

that really doesnt prove him wrong.

So are you saying that he is God? What is your theory on this?

 

[TJ]

there is no god, but that is besides the point.

I have no theory because he cannot be proven wrong

 

[theincrediblehaxx0r]

You're right, I can't prove him wrong. But the chances of him being right are almost impossible because i doubt he has the brain capacity to understand the entire universe that he claims to have imagined himself (no offense lol). And if he did he probably wouldn't be posting on some forum right now while society is falling apart.

 

[rs nechryeal]

powerful point right there. can a human mind really conjure a thought that u wont know. example, can darby create a god but then not know if theres a god or not? personally i dont think that the human mind has that capacity

 

[Faskist]

powerful point right there. can a human mind really conjure a thought that u wont know. example, can darby create a god but then not know if theres a god or not? personally i dont think that the human mind has that capacity

I am constantly surprised in my dreams -- my dreams have plot twists and surprises, and I will sometimes discover something, and then realise I knew it for ages.

Well if everything is your imagination, then you really have a bad imagination because everything follows universal laws, such as you can't destroy matter and Force = mass x acceleration. If everything was your imagination, and you were the one who constructed my DNA, along with every other species on this planet, then you could consider yourself God. And if you were God, I wouldn't be able to prove you wrong because me and everything in the universe would follow the laws layed down by your imagination. And if you were God, you probably wouldn't be on a forum accumulating a large post count. Since the probablity of you being God is probably one in 1x10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 then the chances of you being right are extremely small. So by pure chance, you are wrong.

Your statistics do not prove me wrong, and rely on a non-solipsist model of the universe. If I were truly the only thing in existence, it would be a 1 over 1 chance of me being the only thing in existence.

 

[♀Alien♀]

You are not the one with a life and thoughts. I am. I control you, along with every other "person" in this universe. You are all a dream that I've had night after night. You are what resides in my thoughts.

I may not have proven you wrong, but I made myself right. Can you prove me wrong? No.

This discussion and concept goes far, far beyond the human mind, people. Get another excuse for this thread, then come back and try to counteract.

:]

 

[Faskist]

You are not the one with a life and thoughts. I am. I control you, along with every other "person" in this universe. You are all a dream that I've had night after night. You are what resides in my thoughts.

I may not have proven you wrong, but I made myself right. Can you prove me wrong? No.

This discussion and concept goes far, far beyond the human mind, people. Get another excuse for this thread, then come back and try to counteract.

:]

Ah, clearly you have demonstrated how intelligent you are with a long-winded "No, I am the only one! Hahahahaha by rewording the original post and changing one element, the person involved, it will seem as if I have added something to the discussion!"

 

[♀Alien♀]

Ah, clearly you have demonstrated how intelligent you are with a long-winded "No, I am the only one! Hahahahaha by rewording the original post and changing one element, the person involved, it will seem as if I have added something to the discussion!"

Oh, but haven't I? Basically, your first post was contradicting itself in a way that someone couldn't prove you wrong, other than stripping you of your topic, therefore giving you no chance to be proven wrong. :]

As ignorance follows, YOU on the other hand has just demonstrated the lack of knowledge you hold in not only giving me the upper hand to comprehend your subject, but to embrace and take control of it.

The art of outsmarting still hasn't lost it's touch, I assume.

 

[theincrediblehaxx0r]

Your statistics do not prove me wrong, and rely on a non-solipsist model of the universe. If I were truly the only thing in existence, it would be a 1 over 1 chance of me being the only thing in existence.

So what if you die? Then the universe would be nonexistent since it was all part of your imagination? No but the universe would be nonexistent to you since you wouldn't be alive anymore to acknowledge its existence. So basically, if someone goes and kills you right now, and I am still here, then you would be wrong.

 

[Faskist]

Oh, but haven't I? Basically, your first post was contradicting itself in a way that someone couldn't prove you wrong, other than stripping you of your topic, therefore giving you no chance to be proven wrong. :]

As ignorance follows, YOU on the other hand has just demonstrated the lack of knowledge you hold in not only giving me the upper hand to comprehend your subject, but to embrace and take control of it.

The art of outsmarting still hasn't lost it's touch, I assume.

Are you retarded? You don't prove me wrong by saying "BUT I COULD POSE THE SAME QUESTION", because it's perfectly plausible that I could imagine you saying it.

So what if you die? Then the universe would be dead? No but the universe would be dead to you since you would just turn into matter and be reabsorbed into the universe. So basically, if someone goes and kills you right now, and I am still here, then you would be wrong.

But, as far as I would know, the whole universe would have stopped, so that would still not prove me wrong until I have died, in which case I will be in no position to judge whether the universe has ended.

 

[x⁹]

I think, therefore I am.

 

[Faskist]

I think, therefore I am.

You aren't thinking. You're just doing what I imagine you to do.

 

[♀Alien♀]

Are you retarded? You don't prove me wrong by saying "BUT I COULD POSE THE SAME QUESTION", because it's perfectly plausible that I could imagine you saying it.

Ah, is this what you think? Surely, you have been misled, figment of my imagination. As you have said, we are all apart of your imagination, and that you are the only one with real thoughts, ect emotions ..

I didn't say I proved you wrong, alas, I do prove the logic that I am supreme, not you, and that you are apart of my imagination. Wouldn't it be the same if I imagined you typing the same thing? There, we have two people arguing towards different views, nonetheless, arguing on the same side. If you said that you imagined everything, and I retaliated by saying that I imagined everything, doesn't my claim prove that you are wrong?

You are trying to get these "figments" to believe that you imagined them, so the LAST thing you would try to do is imagine someone arguing against you, seeing as you imagined us all.

However, when someone does argue against your accusation of you being supreme thinker, doesn't it halt the entire discussion, seeing as I could not be a part of your imagination if I were fighting against you, because of the sole reason that you wouldn't want your figments proving you wrong.

However, if the opposite of what I said was the case, surely, you would have some sort of mental illness .. Then, I would not be "retarded", but it would be you who is "retarded".

It's like me saying that 1 + 1 = 3 because I want it to, then when someone else agrees with me and says that 1 + 1 = 3, I tell them that they are wrong because 1 + 1 equals 2. Do not allow your ignorance of topic run amok, Darby. :]

 

[theincrediblehaxx0r]

You aren't thinking. You're just doing what I imagine you to do.

So how would you imagine your parents to raise you when you were born? How did you imagine the entire complexity of the universe on the same day you were born? If you really could imagine what everyone does, then why did you imagine 9/11? Why are you imagining all the suffering and the AIDS epidemic all around the world? Most importantly, WHY did you imagine George W. Bush to be our president. Is it for your own amusement? But if you already know everything that happens, then what is the fun in that?

What this really depicts is the view of God. No matter what horrors he causes, and how much suffering, people still believe in him because he is God. And just like you will believe that God is imagining everything, except that you are God.

Oh and please tell me where I was born, since you imagined me you should know right?

 

what did i have for dinner last night?

 

[Shredderbeam]

I think, therefore I am.

Thinking does not necessarily prove the self, or anything, for that matter.

 

[Faskist]

Ah, is this what you think? Surely, you have been misled, figment of my imagination. As you have said, we are all apart of your imagination, and that you are the only one with real thoughts, ect emotions ..

I didn't say I proved you wrong, alas, I do prove the logic that I am supreme, not you, and that you are apart of my imagination. Wouldn't it be the same if I imagined you typing the same thing? There, we have two people arguing towards different views, nonetheless, arguing on the same side. If you said that you imagined everything, and I retaliated by saying that I imagined everything, doesn't my claim prove that you are wrong?

You are trying to get these "figments" to believe that you imagined them, so the LAST thing you would try to do is imagine someone arguing against you, seeing as you imagined us all.

However, when someone does argue against your accusation of you being supreme thinker, doesn't it halt the entire discussion, seeing as I could not be a part of your imagination if I were fighting against you, because of the sole reason that you wouldn't want your figments proving you wrong.

However, if the opposite of what I said was the case, surely, you would have some sort of mental illness .. Then, I would not be "retarded", but it would be you who is "retarded".

It's like me saying that 1 + 1 = 3 because I want it to, then when someone else agrees with me and says that 1 + 1 = 3, I tell them that they are wrong because 1 + 1 equals 2. Do not allow your ignorance of topic run amok, Darby. :]

That is a terrible analogy, specifically designed to mislead a reader into thinking that I posted up a falsehood. Since you haven't proved me wrong, you've got no right to treat it as a falsehood, but where would I be without imagining some amusing fools?

Still, you are irritating, and fail to understand me, so I'd like you not to post in this thread anymore, lest you embarrass us both (And I by association).

So how would you imagine your parents to raise you when you were born? How did you imagine the entire complexity of the universe on the same day you were born? If you really could imagine what everyone does, then why did you imagine 9/11? Why are you imagining all the suffering and the AIDS epidemic all around the world? Most importantly, WHY did you imagine George W. Bush to be our president. Is it for your own amusement? But if you already know everything that happens, then what is the fun in that?

What this really depicts is the view of God. No matter what horrors he causes, and how much suffering, people still believe in him because he is God. And just like you will believe that God is imagining everything, except that you are God.

Oh and please tell me where I was born, since you imagined me you should know right?

You don't have to be born, it's perfectly plausible that I imagined you, as you are, 5 minutes ago, or even right now, and my sub-conscious fills in the gaps that I don't know about you.

what did i have for dinner last night?

Already answered this criticism.

I am constantly surprised in my dreams -- my dreams have plot twists and surprises, and I will sometimes discover something, and then realise I knew it for ages.

Still no-one who can prove me wrong?