Soldiers ARE NOT HEROES (wikileaks)

[Angelmax]

They have to joke about it, you start troubling you're mind with you're conscience you get distracted...you get distracted you die. I'm going to joke about it too when I get there. As hard as it is for me to say this, I know everyone I deploy with is not going to be coming home alive. Now these are my best friends in the whole world, and some will lose their lives. So fuck yea I'm going to chuckle and have a smile on my face every time I see a terrorist die. And my buddies will do the same.

So you're rationalising mass murder because it provides a distraction from the fact that some of your comrades will be killed..? Does anyone else see a problem here?

I don't care what you think really, you're too soft and empathetic you don't take into account the American lives that are lost...War is won threw brutality. America's population is slowly being replaced with vegans and pussies. I want the America my grandfather told me about, filled with Red Blooded Americans.

Red blooded americans who are happy to kill twelve innocent people?

You should ask the Pilot's and Gunners of those Apaches how many friends they have lost...I know its going to be at least one, and that's too many.

Why is that an excuse to kill 12 innocent people? You're deranged.

Oh yea by the way...what do you think the Terrorists are doing after they kill one of us...crying?

America is *supposed* to have the moral high ground, why should you resort do being the lowest common denominator?

If that is what you're trying to argue...The Iraqi government failed to control them, if they can't control them...somebody had to. And if they attacked us, I think it would be in our best interest to stop them. The Iraqi Government was involved through their negligence.

You'd think a soldier who is prepared to kill would have at least a basic idea of why he's going to kill.

Your government invaded Iraq (and dragged my country into it) because of the fabricated claim that Saddam's regime had manufactured so called weapons of mass destruction, not because of any terrorist attacks.

I think this is a pretty good illustration of the type of people fighting the wars.

 

[Stygian Soldier]

So you're rationalising mass murder because it provides a distraction from the fact that some of your comrades will be killed..? Does anyone else see a problem here?

All I'm saying is if we have to die fighting some stupid war, I see no problem with spilling their blood also. Civilians were caught in the crossfire...funny thing about war is its not supposed to "nice".

Red blooded americans who are happy to kill twelve innocent people?

No. Who are happy we're over there and not them...Happy that we volunteered so there's no need for a draft.

Why is that an excuse to kill 12 innocent people? You're deranged.

Never said it was an excuse...Let me try and clear this one up for ya. Where I'm getting at is, this douche who put up that video is ONLY showing you the video. He is not showing you Soldiers getting wasted...but then again why would he? It would stray from intent of showing the world that soldiers are complete shitheads.

America is *supposed* to have the moral high ground, why should you resort do being the lowest common denominator?

Once again let me clear this up for you. You act like what we are doing is a genocide....thats probably how you feel actually haha.

You'd think a soldier who is prepared to kill would have at least a basic idea of why he's going to kill.

Your government invaded Iraq (and dragged my country into it) because of the fabricated claim that Saddam's regime had manufactured so called weapons of mass destruction, not because of any terrorist attacks.

I think this is a pretty good illustration of the type of people fighting the wars.

You and I will never know the real reason why we invaded Iraq, Its probably not for the reason they claim it was. You can have you're theories but you'll never know. And if they did have weapons don't you think they would use them? Better safe than completely fucked.

And honestly the only reasoning I need to kill them is because they're going to try and kill me. I am a foot soldier a mere pawn for the government to control, I need not know any political reason. All I need to know is my job and how to do it successfully...and my job happens to be what you're totally against.

I support those pilots until the very end, now if there was a field of kids playing soccer and they murdered them all...that might be a different story. They suspected them of having weapons and an rpg...in a hot zone. Kill them, I see no problem with this. Once again, this is a war...not a picnic. Regardless of what the reasoning behind it is...its still a war.

EDIT: I gives a fuck about you're country, why are you so concerned with mine?

 

[Guineapigcal]

They were never heroes. Soldiers are just people doing a job. They're no more justified than a plumber or a lawyer. If a soldier kills a civilian, that's a damn shame, but it's just like a lawyer failing to defend their client efficiently.

As for this video, people need to get over it, badder things have gone on outside of this war. Be that other wars or common incidents.

 

[Angelmax]

All I'm saying is if we have to die fighting some stupid war, I see no problem with spilling their blood also. Civilians were caught in the crossfire...funny thing about war is its not supposed to "nice".

Who started the war that has caused the civilians to be caught in the crossfire?

Never said it was an excuse...Let me try and clear this one up for ya. Where I'm getting at is, this douche who put up that video is ONLY showing you the video. He is not showing you Soldiers getting wasted...but then again why would he? It would stray from intent of showing the world that soldiers are complete shitheads.

The fact that the video shows the soldiers clearly relishing and enjoying the prospect of killing twelve innocent people speaks for itself.

Once again let me clear this up for you. You act like what we are doing is a genocide....thats probably how you feel actually haha.

Er, what?

You and I will never know the real reason why we invaded Iraq, Its probably not for the reason they claim it was. You can have you're theories but you'll never know. And if they did have weapons don't you think they would use them? Better safe than completely fucked.

Again, what..?

The official reason for the invasion was the supposed WMDs, none of which have been found.

And honestly the only reasoning I need to kill them is because they're going to try and kill me. I am a foot soldier a mere pawn for the government to control, I need not know any political reason. All I need to know is my job and how to do it successfully...and my job happens to be what you're totally against.

If you're happy to be ordered around and told to kill people, you enjoy that.

I support those pilots until the very end, now if there was a field of kids playing soccer and they murdered them all...that might be a different story. They suspected them of having weapons and an rpg...in a hot zone. Kill them, I see no problem with this. Once again, this is a war...not a picnic. Regardless of what the reasoning behind it is...its still a war.

If you want to claim they could kill them because they might have been a threat, fine. But then don't claim they were justified to do it because Americans had been killed.

EDIT: I gives a fuck about you're country, why are you so concerned with mine?

You are functionally illiterate, what exactly are you trying to say?

 

[Quak3]

I do not see anything immorally wrong in this video, aside from the lines about "... those dead bastards..." and also the laughing. They had justifiable cause to open fire, however it's never justifiable to desecrate the dead.

 

[god69er]

no shit soldiers aren't heroes. heroes are people like tom brady and derek jeter who actually make a difference in the world.

 

[WeDoWhtWeLikeNLikeWhtWeDo]

no shit soldiers aren't heroes. heroes are people like tom brady and derek jeter who actually make a difference in the world.

:laugh:

 

[CheckYesJuliet]

Bore Ing

 

[Swee]

I don't see anything wrong with what happened.

American army killed some hostile muslims, so what?

 

[Peace.Love.Programming]

hostile? are you racist or just plain fucking stupid.

 

[Swee]

hostile? are you racist or just plain fucking stupid.

Calm down dear, it's only a thread on the Internet

 

[Celbi]

In all honesty, they thought they were terrorists.

Soldiers are heroes, i dont care what you say.

 

[Tribade]

In all honesty, they thought they were terrorists.

Soldiers are heroes, i dont care what you say.

The way the soldiers in this video executed the shooting and the mannerism they had asserts the fact that those soldiers in the helicopter were indeed not heroes. However, it is naive to say that soldiers are not heroes because of this incident. Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident, there are tons more like this happening and innocent civilians dying from reckless air strikes and other military actions.

There are also soldiers that are taking the initiative to take a different approach. Many are trying to fight not with their firearms but through protection of civilian rights that are restricted by corrupted theocracies. In America, education is always provided equally regardless of sex but in many nations in the Middle East, women do not get educated because of their religion. Therefore, Western men like Greg Mortenson are reaching out to them without intruding and disrespecting their beliefs and culture.

Conclusively, you cannot presume that all soldiers are not heroes because of incidents like these.

 

[Angelmax]

The way the soldiers in this video executed the shooting and the mannerism they had asserts the fact that those soldiers in the helicopter were indeed not heroes. However, it is naive to say that soldiers are not heroes because of this incident. Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident, there are tons more like this happening and innocent civilians dying from reckless air strikes and other military actions.

There are also soldiers that are taking the initiative to take a different approach. Many are trying to fight not with their firearms but through protection of civilian rights that are restricted by corrupted theocracies. In America, education is always provided equally regardless of sex but in many nations in the Middle East, women do not get educated because of their religion. Therefore, Western men like Greg Mortenson are reaching out to them without intruding and disrespecting their beliefs and culture.

Conclusively, you cannot presume that all soldiers are not heroes because of incidents like these.

Do some soldiers do good things? Yes.

Do some soldiers do bad things? Yes.

Is someone who signs up for a paid job 'a hero' by default? No.

 

[Finally_Found_Freedom]

Do some soldiers do good things? Yes.

Do some soldiers do bad things? Yes.

Is someone who signs up for a paid job 'a hero' by default? No.

Obviously. Only an idiot would think otherwise; however, I do think that some respect should be automatically given towards a soldier, as they are signing up for a paid job, but they are also still risking their lives for their country.

 

I do not see anything immorally wrong in this video, aside from the lines about "... those dead bastards..." and also the laughing. They had justifiable cause to open fire, however it's never justifiable to desecrate the dead.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[smeg-mah]

ok the thing is are ANY of you soldiers? have ANY of you ever been deployed and in the spot where you may have seen something weather an RPG or what may be ak 47s i doubt it collateral damage happens so all of you can complain and play COD without being down range dont complain or assume unless youve been there and know what was really saw by all members of the squad in the helicopter

 

[obstinato10]

a group of guys are pedos...
you say all guys are like this?

FUCK YOU!
that is my final comment

 

[morttt]

I for one would never have shot down a guy with an RPG, just because he was carrying it around doesn't mean he intended to use it. I would have waited until he had at least killed one of my comrades before attacking him.

Easy to sit here in our comfy chairs and criticize soldiers for killing people isn't it? Makes us feel better knowing that we would never have done anything like that if we had been in that situation.

 

[K-3-V-1-N]

I am a foot soldier a mere pawn for the government to control, I need not know any political reason. All I need to know is my job and how to do it successfully...and my job happens to be what you're totally against.

That's horrible. You don't need to know the reasons? How could you live with yourself? I can understand the thinking of the people who believe they're being righteous, but this... they could have you killing to set up a god damn Walmart for fuck's sake. You wouldn't know a thing about it.

The video... I saw the RGP, or what looked like one. I saw the guy messing around with it (or doing something with it). In that exact moment, it could have been kill or be killed. Of course, you have to only look at it at that very moment. You can't forget that they chose to become hired murderers. Now, can anyone tell me what the reasoning was to shooting those men and children picking up the wounded man? There was no sign of a threat, from what I could see. Of course, the preteens might have had invisible automatic weapons or something.

The gallows humor... I don't think anyone should focus too much on it. I don't think I would ever find it necessary to joke about killing like that, but if I was a delusional boy in the military faced with life and death situations all the time, I perhaps might.