Skype on profile e.g pmmeformyskype

[Apith]

I just saw the report here:
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1632416-scammed-trusted-member.html

Snow patrol mentioned that he had his skype like that in the past and he was informed by a moderator to have it changed. Staff have changed since, and opinions appear to as well. This is a grey area that needs to be dealt with, I am one to give the benefit of the doubt. People may think that the guy was just as idiot and deserves to be scammed. However the amount of people that are unfamiliar with the computer can be surprising. New enough they wont even know what pm means, especially if they are new to sythe. This reminds me of someone I know on Sythe, he plays runescape as it's one of the few ways he spends time with his children. He is not here to spend time on anything non market related, but Im sure he lurks and reads at time. But when you posses a full time job that has no connections to computer and have a family to feed, in his case, he doesnt have the time to be on the internet as much as some of us do. He has been scammed in the past, but he learns from his mistakes.

Now the victim called VowOfSilence in the report given above, Im not saying they are on the same boat, but give him the benefit of the doubt for not being as tech savvy as we are.

This area needs to be discussed. I dont see why people needs to have that where their skype is, why not in their signature? For msn and yahoo I believe it would be a different case, because that last bit of an email varies. It could end with @hotmail.co.uk or ymail.com etc.

My suggestion is to prohibit putting anything other than your skype ID in the skype contact info in your profile. And to enforce and raise awareness about the whole requiring a pm if you were to get paid back. It is only seen in the ras sticky, where new users wouldnt go to unless after they get scammed.

 

[BGlave]

I agree. By having your skype hidden, it makes it easier for impostors to fool new members.

 

[Add My Msn]

In all honesty, that scammer is pretty smart, taking advantave over the newer members who are too lazy to read, that's what you get for not following the #1 thing on sythe. ALWAYS PM BEFORE TRADING.

 

[Apith]

I agree. By having your skype hidden, it makes it easier for impostors to fool new members.

Im not sure you understand.

Johng has pmmeformyskype on his profile where his skype ID is supposed to be. Someone made a skype account with that name and scammed a new person for 10 bucks.

 

[BGlave]

Im not sure you understand.

Johng has pmmeformyskype on his profile where his skype ID is supposed to be. Someone made a skype account with that name and scammed a new person for 10 bucks.

Ah I see. Well shit, that can easily fool new members. Pretty smart on the other end as well.

 

[wizardzgame]

This was looked into years ago, Steph and Clashfan said the person who listed incorrect contact information didn't have to pay them back if it was an honest mistake and it was their first offense.

It essentially falls under False Advertising in the lawbooks.
15 USC § 54 - False advertisements; penalties

(a) Imposition of penalties
Any person, partnership, or corporation who violates any provision of section 52 (a) of this title shall, if the use of the commodity advertised may be injurious to health because of results from such use under the conditions prescribed in the advertisement thereof, or under such conditions as are customary or usual, or if such violation is with intent to defraud or mislead, be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction shall be punished by a fine of not more than $5,000 or by imprisonment for not more than six months, or by both such fine and imprisonment; except that if the conviction is for a violation committed after a first conviction of such person, partnership, or corporation, for any violation of such section, punishment shall be by a fine of not more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not more than one year

He should receive a documented warning by the staff, and the ruling should be explained to the victim.

Morally? I would pay the kid back anyway.

 

[Apith]

This was looked into years ago, Steph and Clashfan said the person who listed incorrect contact information didn't have to pay them back if it was an honest mistake and it was their first offense.

It essentially falls under False Advertising in the lawbooks.
15 USC § 54 - False advertisements; penalties

I see. It does look like an honest mistake and good to see something was done back then, and hopefully it is still remembered now. A mistake like if I put apithstyhe as my skype when it is supposed to be apithsythe, I think that is what was discussed.

I guess I could suggest to prohibit putting anything in your skype details on your profile, except your skype.

 

It wouldn't be a problem if they would have followed the rules and requested a PM. Nothing counts without a PM anymore.

 

[Apith]

It wouldn't be a problem if they would have followed the rules and requested a PM. Nothing counts without a PM anymore.

You are new to sythe, you enter the market. Odds are you will get scammed, rarely are there any new traders cautious enough that manages to avoid scams.

What rules are there that prevents scams? Rules were made to keep the forum clean, not as a guide that helps you prevent scams.

Nothing counts without a pm? So I can scam anyone i want as long as they dont ask a pm from me? That thread is found in the RaS section, Im pretty sure a new person wouldnt see that until they actually get scammed. So something might have to be done about this as well.

Could you give me a reason why it is okay to put such a skype on your profile, when you now know that it is encouraging scams? Obviously you have a biased view. My point is the staff of the past covered this, and snow patrol was told to change it from that. So what makes you think it's okay for you to do it? Not to mention it disgusts me that you still have it on knowing that someone has that skype and is using it to try and scam.

All Im seeing is a new generation of staff where a matter like this was known by the previous ones, they dealt with it before and this is the first time such an issue has risen since.

I would suggest you stay out from this suggestion since it involves you and you would obviously have a biased view. I have nothing on you, I take things seriously outside the spam forum and even if I should have a biased view, not saying I do now, I know how to put that aside. Id have made this suggestion even if it was a friend involved. In the end I dont decide the outcome. But feel free to argue the points if you must, staying out was a suggestion. Involve all the points Ive made.

 

So I can scam anyone i want as long as they dont ask a pm from me?

Yup. That's the problem a lot of people had with the rule.


Lol I'm not going to stay out of this... no point in asking me to
It would be nice if all members requested a PM before trading but obviously, new members don't know how to properly stay safe when trading. Maybe add that to sythe.org official rules? "You must request a PM when trading." It's not our fault that new users don't read the stickies/rules often...
Feel disgusted no more, I changed it to "PleasePMMeForMySkype". I created that skype account and never plan to use it again. Calm down. LOL.

 

[Apith]

Yup. That's the problem a lot of people had with the rule.


Lol I'm not going to stay out of this... no point in asking me to
It would be nice if all members requested a PM before trading but obviously, new members don't know how to properly stay safe when trading. Maybe add that to sythe.org official rules? "You must request a PM when trading." It's not our fault that new users don't read the stickies/rules often...
Feel disgusted no more, I changed it to "PleasePMMeForMySkype". I created that skype account and never plan to use it again. Calm down. LOL.

Asking and suggesting is a whole different thing.

Now you say to add it to the rules? After your argument was new users should read the rules, there are no stickies telling people to request a pm and without it you wont get a refund. At least not in the market section. In fact any new user who reads the rules will see this, no mention of needing a pm

If any account (Sythe, Skype, Runescape, etc) you own is hacked, and the hacker scams with that account, your Sythe account will be banned. You must reimburse all scammed members before the staff will consider unbanning you.

Im already calm, I dont see what suggests me not being calm.

However you seem to be giving a weak argument thus far. Read over thoroughly and give me a proper answer instead of trying to get around things to secure yourself.

As I said earlier, it is a gray area for the current list of staff, the previous ones knew what to do about this. The staff should be encouraging safe trading when possible. You are claiming that the moderator that pmed Snow patrol to change his skype ID was in the wrong, and that clash and steph were too. Everything they have done is invalid because of the stickies in the ras. I doubt this was discussed by the current staff which is why it is a grey area. If you have a problem with this suggestion, which you do because you are against it, why bother changing your skype? Did it feel wrong that you unknowingly had a role? You should have kept it if you saw nothing wrong with it. Any future reports are invalid because they dont have a pm for proof right? So what was the point of changing it now?

Your actions contradicts your arguments against this.

 

Asking and suggesting is a whole different thing.

Now you say to add it to the rules? After your argument was new users should read the rules, there are no stickies telling people to request a pm and without it you wont get a refund. At least not in the market section. In fact any new user who reads the rules will see this, no mention of needing a pm

Lol there are stickies that say to request a PM.. I am sure of this.

However you seem to be giving a weak argument thus far. Read over thoroughly and give me a proper answer instead of trying to get around things to secure yourself.

I'm already secured m8. Don't have to pay him back anything. Case closed. Rofl.

As I said earlier, it is a gray area for the current list of staff, the previous ones knew what to do about this. The staff should be encouraging safe trading when possible. You are claiming that the moderator that pmed Snow patrol to change his skype ID was in the wrong, and that clash and steph were too. Everything they have done is invalid because of the stickies in the ras.

Silly kid, the PM rules has only been in place for a few months now. They were right back then, different story now.

I doubt this was discussed by the current staff which is why it is a grey area. If you have a problem with this suggestion, which you do because you are against it, why bother changing your skype? Did it feel wrong that you unknowingly had a role? You should have kept it if you saw nothing wrong with it. Any future reports are invalid because they dont have a pm for proof right? So what was the point of changing it now?

Ya, I feel bad for the poor guy. Tbh, he's an idiot though. I PM'd him after it happened and told him I was sorry it happened. He should know that that's not my skype when it says to PM me for it. Lol. I changed so you wouldn't feel "disgusted" any more. Plus, now it can't happen again.

 

[Dave]

I don't agree with how that report was handled. If you're going to have your a skype placed in the area that shows your skype name, you should be responsible.

Especially if it leads to a user being scammed.

Edit: Johng, remove everything from your Skype profile. If you want someone to PM you for your skype, put the phrase

"My skype is not public, if you'd like to message me on skype, please PM me for my Skype name"

Remove the message that says PleasePmMeForMySkype because that can lead to the EXACT same scam we saw today.

 

[Apith]

Lol there are stickies that say to request a PM.. I am sure of this.

Only in the ras as far as Im aware.

I'm already secured m8. Don't have to pay him back anything. Case closed. Rofl.

Where did I mention anything about you paying back? This suggestion isnt about you, it is to rethink how the request a pm should be enforced. Add a sticky to the market, include it in the rules where when someones account gets hacked and they scam, they must reimburse all losses. This is why I suggested you stay out because you dont understand that this isnt only about you. I could make a skype account and put my skype as idontuseskype, add someone with it and scam. It is another sort of confirmation for new users instead of a PM. At least as far as they think they know.

Silly kid, the PM rules has only been in place for a few months now. They were right back then, different story now.

You call it a rule but it isnt in the rules, and it wouldnt be classified as a rule where you must ask a pm. It would be nothing more than a guide

Ya, I feel bad for the poor guy. Tbh, he's an idiot though. I PM'd him after it happened and told him I was sorry it happened. He should know that that's not my skype when it says to PM me for it. Lol. I changed so you wouldn't feel "disgusted" any more. Plus, now it can't happen again.

Idiot is a harsh word when you dont know the person, like I said I know someone that isnt as tech savvy as the normal internet user. He is successful in life, has a family and is happy. Id never for a second think he was an idiot for not being careful when trading, I helped that guy when it came to trades at one point, gave him pointers. Good to see you pmed him about it. It cant happen again with you, but this suggestion isnt about you. Its to be clear if something similar happens again. To enforce the request a pm better for example. If you own that new skype, no problem with me as long as there is no chance of this happening with you involved, but for others is the point of this suggestion.

 

I don't agree with how that report was handled. If you're going to have your a skype placed in the area that shows your skype name, you should be responsible.

Especially if it leads to a user being scammed.

Edit: Johng, remove everything from your Skype profile. If you want someone to PM you for your skype, put the phrase

"My skype is not public, if you'd like to message me on skype, please PM me for my Skype name"

Remove the message that says PleasePmMeForMySkype because that can lead to the EXACT same scam we saw today.

I created that skype and I am never going to use it. That should be good right?

 

I totally agree anything like that should be REMOVED, new members may not understand what "PM" means especially if they're young.
Also John, if say I were to scam on my skype "Liveurfect_2" and people had solid evidence or even video evidence even if I didn't PM him I would still end up banned because there is proof on Sythe that the skype belongs to me, and obviously I haven't been hacked, so before you go saying w/o a PM someone can't be banned, you're wrong.

 

I totally agree anything like that should be REMOVED, new members may not understand what "PM" means especially if they're young.
Also John, if say I were to scam on my skype "Liveurfect_2" and people had solid evidence or even video evidence even if I didn't PM him I would still end up banned because there is proof on Sythe that the skype belongs to me, and obviously I haven't been hacked, so before you go saying w/o a PM someone can't be banned, you're wrong.

Unless they removed that rule, you're wrong. Mods were saying "Sorry, we can't do anything since you didn't request a PM" when the rule was made.

edit: good find art

 

[Add My Msn]

I totally agree anything like that should be REMOVED, new members may not understand what "PM" means especially if they're young.
Also John, if say I were to scam on my skype "Liveurfect_2" and people had solid evidence or even video evidence even if I didn't PM him I would still end up banned because there is proof on Sythe that the skype belongs to me, and obviously I haven't been hacked, so before you go saying w/o a PM someone can't be banned, you're wrong.

You are wrong, you can't get banned if you didn't pm the person.

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer...skype-scam-reports-must-contain-sythe-pm.html

 

You are wrong, you can't get banned if you didn't pm the person.

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer...skype-scam-reports-must-contain-sythe-pm.html

Are you serious? Do you know how many people I trade with who DON'T ask for a PM, so you're saying I could scam them all and not get banned? That rules seems kind of stupid.. Especially if it's 100% obvious the skype wasn't/isn't hacked.

 

[Matresa]

I agree with this. Even though it's somewhat obvious what he meant with putting that as his 'skype', I know many people are naive and could not know so and get taken advantage of as we saw with that scam report.

Imo, nothing but your skype id should go on your profile. If you don't want it public, then just don't put it on your profile and instead put on your signature to PM you for it or something.