Should multiple recognized gender identities become the norm?

[Kyokushin]

It's becoming a lifestyle of choice. It's not necessary to undergo surgery or change your gender. Why do people do it? Self satisfaction. With many lifestyles, it's picked up by others to be one and the same, not one of a kind. It will continue to spread. That is my only problem with trans.

But why would it continue to spread? It's truly a choice influenced by how you behave around the people with you, and I think it matters what moral you're given and raised with as a kid IMO,

 

But why would it continue to spread? It's truly a choice influenced by how you behave around the people with you, and I think it matters what moral you're given and raised with as a kid IMO,

Why do trends spread? Because everyone is doing it.

If it's becoming the norm for gays to change their sex, why wouldn't it cause influence?

 

For the record I'm perfectly OK with the LGBT community and their movement. All the trans people, gay/lesbian people, and bi people (99% of my friends are bi actually) are good in my books. What this thread was originally supposed to be about is the plethora of unique identifiers and labels all these people are giving themselves to describe some kind of weird sexual niche they feel that they're a part of just for the sake of being different or unique.

"Oh you're cis? Oh you're straight? You're white? Male? You don't put yourself under an umbrella of complicated terms just to stand out in society and for no other real reason in particular? Then fuck you you're the scum of the world."

^That's what I'm referring to. I have only ever encountered ONE person who was part of that whole sexual identification bullshit who wasn't totally bigoted or paradoxical or prejudiced and even she has some wacky viewpoints.

EDIT: Just realized my title says gender identities and my above post is talking about sexual identities. I guess the thread can be about both types of identification now at this point

 

As long as you're not shoving your own labels down other people's throats and you aren't harming anyone; just innocently making yourself happy mentally then power to ya.

Obviously there are the radicals who overreact and attack people, the hypocrisy can be ridiculous. But the actions of select few who maybe do do it for attention shouldn't create a negative image of the trans community.

Most trans people just want to blend in and live a happy life.


@Ghast - Gays dont change their gender because then they wouldnt be gay. People change their gender because its the identity they feel they are. There is a difference to the person in question of loving a man as a man and loving a man as a woman. I cant understand it because I dont feel it; but that doesn't mean I cant say "fair enough, make yourself happy".

 

That's the reason why they are changing their gender. To match their sexual orientation.

 

Definitely not the case at all. Relationships are just a small portion of your social life. It's about physical dysphoria, relationship dysphoria, body dysphoria, social dysphoria.. a whole range of things.

 

Your sexual oreintation is a psychological factor. It would make sense for someone to change their gender to match their sex.

Do you have any statistics to prove that "other" reasons are more definite than the one I just stated?

 

There isn't much research out there.

From guys and girls I've spoken to, each person has different factors they feel are more important to them. I dont discount that some may choose to transition based on relationships, but the most common thing I've heard is that the wrong body dysphoria and social dysphoria are primary and who you then are attracted to is secondary. Each individual has different "main" reasons.

 

You say the reason I stated was "definitely" not the case "at all". You would need sources to make that claim.

From guys and girls you talk to is definitely not a strong proportion.

 

Because you said they, referring to all, change their gender to match their sexual orientation. That's not the case at all. Some maybe do, but not all.

I realise it isnt a strong source, there really isnt research out there. Every individual has different reasoning, just like anything else.

Anywho, OP's point is being strayed from - I will agree to disagree from personal experience/conversations/events.

 

They is plural yes, but if I meant all I would say all.

Just putting that out there.

 

[Xier0]

Gender is male or female, not another species. Your gender cant be dog. You could identify your species as dog all you want but it isn't a legally backed change or medical process.

A lot of these people who argue about "gender equality" don't agree with your opinion that genders are only male and female. There are some people who idenfity as fantasy fur creatures, not a male or female. Some of those people might even label you as a bigot for being so narrowminded that gender should be limited to things that are human or actually exist?

Gender should be treated the same as biological sex, it's a domino effect for anything past that.

 

[kill dank]

Damn guys. Simplify things. Call people by the genitalia they were BORN with. Every is either a dick, a snatch, or a discombobulation. No exceptions.

The problem is that people don't like traditional labels and words like male, female, gender, sex, etc. because they have to over-analyze everything to the point of making it some vague, debatable, concept developed by the straight white males to oppress everybody.

 

A lot of these people who argue about "gender equality" don't agree with your opinion that genders are only male and female. There are some people who idenfity as fantasy fur creatures, not a male or female. Some of those people might even label you as a bigot for being so narrowminded that gender should be limited to things that are human or actually exist?

Gender should be treated the same as biological sex, it's a domino effect for anything past that.

Within whatever they think they are is male or female. The definition of gender is male or female, so they cant use the word gender.

Damn guys. Simplify things. Call people by the genitalia they were BORN with. Every is either a dick, a snatch, or a discombobulation. No exceptions.

But that's not the case for a transgender person.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Let me rehash my argument here:

The same people who are arguing to be accepted as another gender are the same people that turn around and scoff at gender roles and gender stereotypes. What is the importance of being accepted as another gender if it isn't to be apart of those roles or stereotypes? Aesthetics?

Within whatever they think they are is male or female. The definition of gender is male or female, so they cant use the word gender.


But that's not the case for a transgender person.

Why are you so close-minded and euro-centric? There are numerous locales in the world that believe in more than male and female genders. Many places in India recognize a third gender, and the Maori people recognize 5 genders if I remember correctly.

 

Because I'm going by the definition in the English dictionary, thats what the word means here

 

[Emperor Nero]

Because I'm going by the definition in the English dictionary, thats what the word means here

Well you're being euro-centric and discriminating against non-western countries. You see, this liberal guilt stuff can work both ways. You say I should recognize women as possibly having penises, and I say you should think on a global scale. It is a viscous circle.

 

[nodnarbusn]

I swear the LBGT community is trolling us. "Lets see what we can get them to believe next!" . They are just pushing the envelope at this point and im not having it.

 

[PowerCapped]

I first saw a debate of this sort about gender/sex identification and roles on 4chan sometime ago. It must have been about four months ago. A lot of points were made there that have been made here.
I remember someone asked the board "Why do we [as humans] even bother to think about this shit nowadays?"
Someone replied back with something along these lines "Because we have the luxury of being able to. A few decades ago, we didn't have the internet or social media. The world was isolated and everyone was focused on their own self and basically surviving."

Some points I wanted to quote:

Also, you're generalising and associating all trans people with radicals on Tumblr, which isn't relevant. All movements have extremists.

Be sure to try not to fallaciously debate and use supporting evidence. @Roary and who he quoted.

Gender is male or female, not another species. Your gender cant be dog.

How does someone being trans affect your life? It's just a person.

Sex is considered male or female. Gender is a socially identifiable term.
Someone being transsexual inside an immediate family could be an explanation for your question.

It's becoming a lifestyle of choice. It's not necessary to undergo surgery or change your gender. Why do people do it? Self satisfaction. With many lifestyles, it's picked up by others to be one and the same, not one of a kind. It will continue to spread. That is my only problem with trans.

Whatever makes the world go around for at least another day man. Ya know?
If it makes someone happy, then just let it be. The least you can do is not be someone who outcasts/ridicules them because they try to find enjoyment in life.

You are twisting my words to suit you. I have explicitly said I do not care who wears a dress or what they do in the bedroom, but I am not going to call a man in a dress maam. I will not call a woman dressed as a man sir.

This is not kids playing house, I'm not pretending for these people. I do not care what they "identify" as because they ARE male or female . End of story . This isnt judgment this isnt discrimination its merely fact.

As I said above, if you don't agree with their lifestyle, at least respect the person who chooses it. Is it really hurting you? They're campaigning for equal rights which isn't a bad thing.

Think back if you ever got peer pressured to smoke weed or do something stupidly daring. If you did it, you probably did so because you wanted to fit in. That's how it is for most of these people as I imagine.

Damn guys. Simplify things. Call people by the genitalia they were BORN with. Every is either a dick, a snatch, or a discombobulation. No exceptions.

The problem is that people don't like traditional labels and words like male, female, gender, sex, etc. because they have to over-analyze everything to the point of making it some vague, debatable, concept developed by the straight white males to oppress everybody.

tl;dr
R-E-S-P-E-C-T Read above your quote.

 

[Xier0]

Within whatever they think they are is male or female. The definition of gender is male or female, so they cant use the word gender.

Because I'm going by the definition in the English dictionary, thats what the word means here

In that case, genders cannot be different than their birth sex, *** BY DEFINITION*** if you want to use definition as a limit here.