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Should alcohol be banned?

Although alcohol can cause many different health problems and other things, it isn't like that's the only thing in the world that can cause death

Statistically it's responsible for more than 4% of all world deaths (greater than AIDS, TB, or violence). Here's the source: http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/1255/9/

Also it tends to cause death to those in their late teens/early twenties rather than the older drinkers. In America, 31% of all deaths of 15-29 year olds are alcohol related. Here is the source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...loped-world-figures-reveal.html#ixzz213boTNP9

So essentially, it's causing damage to the working class.

I could just as easily get hit by a car walking to my mailbox, and partake in drinking alcohol for years, and never die.

Lucky you.

If your stupid enough to drive a car while under the influence you deserve anything that comes to you honestly.

Another party may suffer due to somebody else's stupidity though.

But the problems from banning it would be even worse then the occurrences that happen while it isn't.

Agreed. It should never be banned, and it's hard to monitor. The best thing to do is inform the public of its dangers.

Punish the ones who use it stupidly, because its not bothering the rest of us, and we have the right to do whatever the fuck we want

Agreed as well. Mostly why drunk driving laws are in effect.
 
If you get caught doing something illegal under the influence, I believe that person should be banned from drinking for a certain period of time. It shouldn't be banned for everybody, just laws set that if you get caught drunk driving, doing stupid shit, you should be banned from drinking.
 
Honestly anyone who says yes is a complete idiot. You are just asking to give up freedoms one by one. I remember when I was little and they had see-saws and high swings and merry-go-rounds, etc at parks.

Some kid was hurt on this or some idiot was killed on that, LETS BAN THOSE SINCE IT HURT/KILLED SOMEONE.

Like fck off. Alcohol is awesome. Should we ban razor blades? People can slit their wrists with them. Should we ban cars? Those have killed a few.

Irritates me.

Edit: Anyone present me with good reasons to ban alcohol and I'll pick them apart and give you a 100% logical reason why your reasons SUCK.
 
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No. 1- People should have the choice/right to drink if they would like. If they take it to far and destroy there life, so be it and they should've known the risks of drinking it. 2- As we all know Prohibition still wasn't very effective while it was around and people would just found ways around it.
 
Are we talking about banning it in the United States or the whole world? If it's the latter, then it's going to take quite a group effort.

And if we're going to start banning things that can kill you, we should start with tobacco products; they kill more people than alcohol.


Edit: But in general no, I don't think that it should be banned. I believe that most things should be legal (i.e. drugs), because people are just going to do it anyways; just look at the prohibition. If these things are regulated, they're actually safer than if they weren't. I remember watching a documentary on mixed drinks (I believe that this is what it said), and it said that mixing drinks started during the prohibition because of the poor quality of alcohol. I think I remember it saying that some alcohol was like poison. On top of it actually being safer for the user, it's also taxed, so the state gets money, too.
 
I do not think alcohol should be banned. I think, however, intoxication should be regarded as a serious offense everywhere (right now it is only regarded that way while driving). If people start to get arrested for binge drinking it might change American teen's binge drinking culture.

On another note, I think cigarettes should definitely be illegal, not that they will be any time soon.
 
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No alcohol shouldn't be banned. As long as what you partake in your own free time doesn't cause harm to others it should be perfectly legal no matter how self destructive it is. Drinking and Driving is a crime, Drinking doesn't make you drive while intoxicated. Disrupting the public with your drunkenness is also a misdemeanor.

Banning alcohol makes no sense. If you don't know your limits and get fucked up and hurt yourself its on you along with anything else you did while intoxicated. Providing it to underagers also would make you responsible for anything they do with it. Banning something is a GREAT way for the gangs and violent criminals to get money and cause massive amounts of violence.
 
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Clearly you all attend public schools. Alcohol was already banned once in your country. See how that worked out for you guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition

Using guns to solve social problems *never* works. You will make the problem worse. And when you ask "should we ban X?" you are actually asking "should we use guns to stop people doing X?" You have no moral or political right to tell people what substances they may and may not consume. 'Banning' alcohol is no more legitimate or moral than if you were to walk into your neighbour's house with a shotgun and demand they stop buttering their toast 'or else'. It doesn't matter if you think the butter will make them unhealthy or that it's a bad life choice. It's not your decision!
 
Clearly you all attend public schools. Alcohol was already banned once in your country. See how that worked out for you guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition

Using guns to solve social problems *never* works. You will make the problem worse. And when you ask "should we ban X?" you are actually asking "should we use guns to stop people doing X?" You have no moral or political right to tell people what substances they may and may not consume. 'Banning' alcohol is no more legitimate or moral than if you were to walk into your neighbour's house with a shotgun and demand they stop buttering their toast 'or else'. It doesn't matter if you think the butter will make them unhealthy or that it's a bad life choice. It's not your decision!

Morals are just a set of laws we live by. Each person has their own morals. Wouldn't it be immoral of you to assume that peoples morals include not making other peoples choices for them?

Somethings need to be banned, for the good of the people. Hard drugs such as cocaine, and LSD are banned because people who are high on them pose a legitimate risk to other people, and themselves.

Why give people the choice to make the wrong decision, and possibly hurt people when we as society have the ability to stop the problem in the first place?
 
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Morals are just a set of laws we live by. Each person has their own morals. Wouldn't it be immoral of you to assume that peoples morals include not making other peoples choices for them?

Your statement is a contradiction. You first assert subjective morality then you assert objective morality (i.e. the opposite), then, as it pleases you, you label anyone not accepting subjective morality as [objectively] immoral. How ridiculous.

I suggest you read my other posts concerning ethics and morality (and logic) and educate yourself before you attempt further debate on the topic.

But, for now it suffices to say that the science of ethics is no more subjective than the science of nutrition. Just because everyone has a different diet does not mean that nutrition is arbitrary. Just because it is not a 'perfect world' does not mean there is no difference between being healthy and unhealthy. And just because you can choose not to follow your diet does not mean the diet is something made up and of no consequence. The science of ethics will give you a code of morality by which to live. This is the code that you ought to follow if you want to be happy and productive, exactly as you ought to follow your diet if you want to be slim and fit. You can choose not to follow it, but you cannot choose the consequences of not following it. If you lead an unhealthy life (nutrition-wise) then you will be physically unhealthy. Likewise if you lead an unhealthy life in your moral standards (or lack of adherence to them) then you will be mentally unhealthy; depressed, unhappy and unproductive. Your choice to acknowledge or ignore objective facts (like nutrition and ethics) has consequences, and these are just as real as your choice to ignore the fact of a car speeding down the road right at you. Once you have made your choice you have to live (or die) with its consequences.

Somethings need to be banned, for the good of the people. Hard drugs such as cocaine, and LSD are banned because people who are high on them pose a legitimate risk to other people, and themselves.

Why give people the choice to make the wrong decision, and possibly hurt people when we as society have the ability to stop the problem in the first place?

To add insult to injury, having started your argument by asserting subjective morality, you now say that there is an objective moral code which you (and presumably only you) define and have the objective moral right to enforce on others using guns.

Incidentally the phrase 'we as a society' is one of the worst and most sophistic anti-concepts imaginable. Do you mean 'you and people who agree with you, using guns against people who do not agree with you'? Is this what you mean by 'we, as a society'?
 
Your statement is a contradiction. You first assert subjective morality then you assert objective morality (i.e. the opposite), then, as it pleases you, you label anyone not accepting subjective morality as [objectively] immoral. How ridiculous.

I suggest you read my other posts concerning ethics and morality (and logic) and educate yourself before you attempt further debate on the topic.

But, for now it suffices to say that the science of ethics is no more subjective than the science of nutrition. Just because everyone has a different diet does not mean that nutrition is arbitrary. Just because it is not a 'perfect world' does not mean there is no difference between being healthy and unhealthy. And just because you can choose not to follow your diet does not mean the diet is something made up and of no consequence. The science of ethics will give you a code of morality by which to live. This is the code that you ought to follow if you want to be happy and productive, exactly as you ought to follow your diet if you want to be slim and fit. You can choose not to follow it, but you cannot choose the consequences of not following it. If you lead an unhealthy life (nutrition-wise) then you will be physically unhealthy. Likewise if you lead an unhealthy life in your moral standards (or lack of adherence to them) then you will be mentally unhealthy; depressed, unhappy and unproductive. Your choice to acknowledge or ignore objective facts (like nutrition and ethics) has consequences, and these are just as real as your choice to ignore the fact of a car speeding down the road right at you. Once you have made your choice you have to live (or die) with its consequences.



To add insult to injury, having started your argument by asserting subjective morality, you now say that there is an objective moral code which you (and presumably only you) define and have the objective moral right to enforce on others using guns.

Incidentally the phrase 'we as a society' is one of the worst and most sophistic anti-concepts imaginable. Do you mean 'you and people who agree with you, using guns against people who do not agree with you'? Is this what you mean by 'we, as a society'?


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You have no moral or political right to tell people what substances they may and may not consume.'.

This is an example of moral universalism, or moral objectivity. Somehow you know the morals I live by.

Morality is subjective.

My question, the third sentence, is a little shaky as I have been awake for 30 hours plus, but it sounded nicer in my head.


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To add insult to injury, having started your argument by asserting subjective morality, you now say that there is an objective moral code which you (and presumably only you) define and have the objective moral right to enforce on others using guns.

I never said we have the moral right to enforce other people.
Banning things because the are dangerous to other people is not based on morals, it is based on scientific studies and facts. We have laws against aiding murderers, so why should substances that lead directly to a higher amount of murder be aloud?

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Incidentally the phrase 'we as a society' is one of the worst and most sophistic anti-concepts imaginable. Do you mean 'you and people who agree with you, using guns against people who do not agree with you'? Is this what you mean by 'we, as a society'?

Society is everyone. Everyone has the ability to stop things such as alcohol or hard drugs through voting, campaigning, and many other ways.

Why would society only include me and people who agree with me? That statement is ridiculous, especially in the context I used the phrase in. I did not say something along the lines of we as society have the moral obligation to stop it, I said we as society can stop it.

The wrong decision of doing hard drugs or drinking alcohol has nothing to do with morals either. It all leads back to our established laws, and the proof that is out there that those substances can kill you, and suicide is against the law.
 
If it was, it wouldn't end well for anyone nor the economy.
 
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This is an example of moral universalism, or moral objectivity. Somehow you know the morals I live by.

Morality is subjective.
This is not an argument. Making an assertion is the opposite of making a case. For example: saying "god exists" neither proves nor disproves anything.


I never said we have the moral right to enforce other people.
Banning things because the are dangerous to other people is not based on morals, it is based on scientific studies and facts.
You are advocating the use of force against people for disagreeing with you. That's precisely what it means to ban something.
We have laws against aiding murderers, so why should substances that lead directly to a higher amount of murder be aloud?
Allowing people to own and drive cars is correlated with a greater number of hit and runs. Allowing people to live in a city is correlated with higher levels of gang membership and homicide. Therefore are you justified in pointing a GUN at anyone who drives a car, or who lives and works in a city? Of course not! This is absurd. The man who drives a car has done nothing wrong, the man who lives in a city has done nothing wrong, and likewise the man who takes a drug has done nothing wrong. None of these actions has hurt a single other human being. You, on the other hand, are hurting people. You are using violence and the threat of violence against people for their perfectly voluntary behaviour which is their own personal private business. You are declaring them guilty on the basis of what you think they *might* do in the future. Incidentally, this is a basic violation of human rights; Everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

To put this in concretes for you, consider this scenario. Someone is about to pour a glass of brandy and sit by the fire in the house that they own, on the land that they own, in the city that they live in. You, in your infinite wisdom, have read that statistically people who drink brandy are five times more likely to beat their wives. Thus, you feel 100% justified in picking up a firearm, bashing down this man's door and putting the gun to his temple, with your finger on the trigger -- literally threatening his life, his very existence, because you are FUCKING CONCERNED that he might beat his wife in the future on the basis of a STATISTICAL CORRELATION, when he hasn't even done anything wrong. This is exactly the same moral scenario for any other substance.

Society is everyone. Everyone has the ability to stop things such as alcohol or hard drugs through voting, campaigning, and many other ways.

Why would society only include me and people who agree with me? That statement is ridiculous, especially in the context I used the phrase in. I did not say something along the lines of we as society have the moral obligation to stop it, I said we as society can stop it.

You deliberately miss the point. How are you going to stop it? Clearly the 'society' you speak of excludes the people who break your ban on drugs (or whatever else you want to ban.) So clearly your definition of 'society' is not 'everyone'. What you actually mean by society is 'people who agree with you'. Watch how your sentence improves in clarity when your contextual definition is dropped in:

Why give people [who disagree with me] the choice to make the wrong decision, and possibly hurt people [who agree with me] when we [people who agree with me] have the ability to stop the [people who disagree with me] [by using the guns of the state] in the first place?

To answer your question, again: because it's immoral to point guns at people when they haven't caused damage or injury to anyone else.

The wrong decision of doing hard drugs or drinking alcohol has nothing to do with morals either. It all leads back to our established laws, and the proof that is out there that those substances can kill you, and suicide is against the law.

Again, you deliberately misunderstand the point. You wouldn't defend a law that said all jews have to be gassed, or that all black people should be slaves. I assume at least that you are only defending these drug laws because you agree with them on moral basis, thus this is a moral debate. If you are defending them only on the basis that they are 'the law' and have given no further consideration to them, then you are the most detestably evil person in existence. You would advocate the slaughter of innocent people just because some greasy politician wrote it on a scrap of paper 40 years ago?

Finally, you debate like a total sophist. You are unwilling and unable to set strict definitions and you use equivocation all over the place. Your sentences are quagmires designed to baffle and confuse the reader, rather than to educate and inform. And thus, unless or until you are willing to learn how to write in a straight clear manner I suggest you find somewhere else to debate.
 
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No substance should be banned, everything that could put others at risk with these substances are already illegal under other laws
 
Erm, I just want to know what gives someone the right to decide either or?

Meh another vague question. Should we ban it for what?
 
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