[DENIED] Set up a dynamic list of all DNT users

I'm aware of the fact that the staff team proposed to set this up and update it manually but that's going ot be just as inactive as the https://www.sythe.org/threads/sythes-top-donor-list/ is right now. I'm more than sure @Matthew could pull of to create a list that lists all users with the Do Not Trade usergroup. Preferably sorted by date issued. While this is a suggestion I could easily ask Matthew for, I do wish to have some support about it and since I'm still quite a new user veteran users might know if this would actually be worth requesting. Right now I do believe it is.

 

Some DNT'S aren't permanent and therefore if someone isn't removed off the list, if matthew makes a bot that does it, sure then IG. But if you are on a list and it has a negative connotation to it, and you don't have that negative to you anymore, wouldn't that look bad? If it os a bot that updates every X hours/days, sure. Otherwise no support.

 

I would agree with this, but then again I have a major issue

A while back I had a site that a user hand funds on. The hosting didn’t auto renew because I got a new credit card or some stupid reasoning like my bank thought it was fraud or something (don’t remember well) and I was DNT.

The DNT lasted about an hour, and wishing that hour @mumble made a posting about how I was a scammer. I obviously wasn’t a scammer but this made like 5 other people call me a scammer and PM/Skype/discord me “who did you scam what happened”.

Mumble has every right to call me whatever he wants, but it was dumb becuase I couldn’t prove I wasn’t a scammer until my DNT was removed and I posted a screen shot of @Island basically confirming it was a huge misunderstanding.

That being said, I would hate for a list to be publicly displayed and have a good user get a bunch of hate for a DNT (since let’s be honest, tons of users get DNT for little to no reason).

What do you think of this?

PS: not trying to call our mumble. He posted in the spam section and probably did think I was actually scamming. Just putting his name here for context to show that people are judged poorly just for a DNT, even if a DNT is placed while a scam review is going on.

Honestly, I would rather it say “Trade with Caution, user under review”.

Any user who gets scammed by a DNT is an idiot IMO

 

All you do is call me out...

Anyone/anything that resembles something close to a scam should be taken with caution. If anyone was buying gold from a site and then it suddenly went offline. They would be concerned.

Safety and Security should be the highest value thing on this site, because that's the whole point of this site.

Nobody gets DNT for no reason.

I STRONGLY support this and would like to see this implemented ASAP. As well as a mark on every users profile of when they were mostly recently DNT'd.

 

@Wortel considering that the current stance is Ban + DNT after 3 months, wouldn't this list be filled up with random people? I think that its a valid idea if it can be implemented correctly. Support if done correctly!!!

 

I'm curious as to what the uses for the list would be? If someone is selling/buying and sees the user has a DNT then they know that way. I'm not saying the idea is a poor one - I guess I'm just unaware of what function it would serve that isn't already served by the present system.

 

A new sticky thread in RAS? (or somewhere)

bish I already suggested this!

 

I don't mean a sticky thread though, I mean an actual page or something like that. Threads are made to update manually which will be impossible in this case.

 

What purpose would doing this serve?

 

Refer to: https://www.sythe.org/threads/thread-for-recently-unbanned-dnters/

 

The same purpose a registered sex offender list serves. Awareness, keeps you informed, and would serve as an incentive to pay back remaining debt.

 

Their already publicly branded every time they post, we don't need a list publicly branding them more, I originally designed and wrote DNT to help re-integrate users with the community, not brand them on a list as outcasts.

I can firmly say as the person who literally wrote the entire initial DNT system and gave it to administration that the direction DNT has ended up going is frankly so far off the mark of what I originally designed it for that's it borderline disgusting.

I designed it as a way to give users incentive to repay, keep them active on the site and help them reintegrate with the community easier, not so that you could brand them and shame them with a public list.

If your proposing a private staff only list I may consider that in a more favorable light depending on what purpose your asking for, you didn't specify though.

No support and or neutral depending on whether your wanting a public or private list.

 

That I am, mostly because you made fun of me for trying to sell part of my comic collection..

nah jk but really not trying to call you out

I just disagree. Some people DO get DNT for no reason. Im sure there are countless numbers of times other users have falsely accused another user of scamming when they haven't.

Also, a gold site can go down for DDOS or something to do with the VPS or hosting they are using and does not prove in anyway a scam. Also, if a gold site goes down, users can still trade via sythe and skype, so just because a gold site goes down or someone is accused of something and they get a DNT, that doesn't mean they are guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty fine, and I understand why you would want this , but i dont see why a DNT under a users name isn't enough. If someone can't take the time to search for someone on sythe and see a big "DNT" under their name, and they are stupid enough or simply okay with making an exchange in this free market, and they get scammed, then that is their own personal issue.

Basically what im trying to say is that DNT under a name is enough, and putting someone on a public list where they may be found not guilty of scamming can hurt someone's reputation, and we all know how hard it is to rebuild a reputation as a scammer when people are constantly calling out people for DNT on the spam section.


I do agree with the fact that you would like every users most recent DNT to be shown, and when, and link it to a report on their profile. Maybe after 6 months of no DNT or problems, this can be removed.

Am I missing something? just trying to voice my opinion

 

You're saying that we shouldn't protect users as much as we can?

If somebody never has an issue they would never be DNT.

People should be held accountable and if nothing is wrong then DNT is removed.

 

How isn’t putting users on a dynamic list protecting users anymore than having “Do Not Trade” under a user’s name?

Like if you are doing business with someone, and you don’t get a PM on Sythe, that’s your fault.

If you are doing business with someone over Sythe, and you don’t check if they have DNT under the name, that’s on you.

I’m simply saying that I don’t think this list would do anything different than a tag under the users name.

My question is, can you provide me one example where a user would use this list and not just see the DNT under the user’s name.

Also it is simply a lie that people who don’t do anything wrong get DNT. Users here get DNT for various reasons...

1. Flase accusations
2. Problems not caused by the user themselves (like what happened in my case and others, including a higher ranking technical core member pointed out to me when I was DNT for a hosting issue).


But again, im just waiting to see how this dynamic list will help any users and if you honestly think people won’t use and abuse this list and constantly harrass people who MAY BE INNOCENT, then idk what to tell you.

Again, a DNT is NOT proof of guilt. Period.





I would be 100% down with a dynamic list of users who have been banned or similar for scamming. That would make since because then a user can look up if a current user they want to trade with has ever been banned.

Again, if someone looked on this list and saw that I was DNT at some point, they may not want to trade or deal with me, despite my DNT ( and many others ) being complete bullshit.

 

The list is Dynamic to see who currently has it.

You could use it to see if certain people have DNT without having to go through each individual's profile. Or if you have multiple transactions going on, you could quickly scan through it and see if there's something to be concerned about.

Nobody gets DNT for no reason afaik.

There's a reason you had DNT and if it's BS you should be able to explain that to anyone you're transacting with.

 

I don’t agree that users don’t get DNT for no reason, because I have seen it happen before

I guess a list would be better than having to look up individual users, but at the same time, chances are if you are transacting with someone you should be asking for PM anyway.

I still think it will have some negative effects. I would much rather this be done for Bans, and even showing when and why (show report) for the ban. That way, if someone doesn’t have a DNT I can check if they have ever been banned for scamming, instead of just checking a DNT list when I already see DNT by the name.

If you think it’s a good idea than I’ll concede being that I may just be missing something here.

I won’t say I support, just don’t totally agree and would like to see this with bans instead.

 

They may get DNT for no reason, but people used to (and still do) get banned, and have TWC awarded to them 'for no reason' as well. It's better to err on the side of caution when potentially anyone could steal thousands because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day.

There is no reason why this shouldn't happen (past technical issues). DNT/TWC/Ban ranks now link to the report associated with the rank for clarification purposes, this is just further clarifying who to not trade. The only poeple I see this negatively impacting are the 'legitimate' traders who habitually have issues with consistency. If this list is checked often everyone would be able to see them flip-flopping on and off the list.

 

But why a public list, and why can’t we just use the current system that shows DNT every time they post.

If this was done and if there was a list, I just don’t see any instance where this will increase the chances of saving someone from a scam.

Maybe If I talk to someone in the Sythe discord, and they want to trade, I could look up those name on the list, but at the same time you are stupid if you aren’t getting a PM, and if you get a PM you see the users DNT.

I do see this list being used to l attack people who are on the list, which I see every week in the spam section.


I like what @Divine said about having access to only staff members for record keeping purposes