[DENIED] Service rule reform suggestion

[Zynce]

Due to reading some reports recently i think the following rule should be added:

When a service provider offers a service that is hand-trained they must be able to provide staff and customer with proof that the account was hand trained incase it gets banned during/right after the service has been completed. (screenshots of like atleast 80-90% of the progress)

There are situations where customers will lie about it but then it shouldn't be an issue as you could just provide the proof, but proving that someone botted on your account is way harder than proving the services you completed are hand trained.

Thoughts?


@Dbuffed

 

Couldn't agree less.

I might not be a big shot here, but I am the biggest service provider on OSbot and I was for years on Powerbot as well. I have always used OSbuddy, never said otherwise to using another client to any of my customers.

This is just pathetic we have to come to this part of things where we are stating new rules needing to be added.

 

[Pain]

This is embarrassing, salty tiny service providers try to take out a training giant and get shit on and then want to modify the rules because of their salt due to them losing a report?

This is extraordinarily difficult, if someone orders 250 levels and the trainer misses a screenshot did that trainer "bot" that level then? How do you determine whats reasonable?

Not to mention if staff add this, every single report would suddenly have to contain HUNDREDS of pictures, ordering a few hundred levels is common as fuck.

I say no, talk about a manipulation and abuse of the rules to benefit a select group.

Let staff decide whats fair, I'm sure they can come up with a reasonable solution now that I've played another ace they'll patch the loophole I used I'm sure.

This also puts enormous stress on bigger trainers in terms of responding to reports and retraining workers to take these pictures, that is a extremely hefty expense.

The fact tiny trainers are so desperate for business they have to reply to reports they shouldn't of and then try to suggest to modify the rules since others wont say it I will:

FUCK OFF.

 

[Zynce]

This is embarrassing, salty tiny service providers try to take out a training giant and get shit on and then want to modify the rules because of their salt due to them losing a report?

This is extraordinarily difficult, if someone orders 250 levels and the trainer misses a screenshot did that trainer "bot" that level then? How do you determine whats reasonable?

Not to mention if staff add this, every single report would suddenly have to contain HUNDREDS of pictures, ordering a few hundred levels is common as fuck.

I say no, talk about a manipulation and abuse of the rules to benefit a select group.

Let staff decide whats fair, I'm sure they can come up with a reasonable solution now that I've played another ace they'll patch the loophole I used I'm sure.

And who are you ? Acting all big your ego is way too big. Why are you acting So offended, also osb And other Client are able to show the Total xp gained during the time the Client has been used How Can a big boy like you Not be aware of that?

Also I wasn't reffering to a specific post, So stop acting like a cunt about everything

 

[Pain]

And who are you ? Acting all big your ego is way to big, Why are you Feeling So offended, osb And other Client are able to show the Total xp gained during the time the Client has been used How Can a big boy like you Not be aware of that?

Not everyone uses osbuddy, restricting services to that is a violation of free market.

You violate users that don't want to use Osbuddy for training rights the second you start dictating you MUST DO SOMETHING.

Whats next? A gold report happens and Staff dictate all workers of gold sites must use a certain screenshot tool? Gold sites have to use a certain accounting system?

Its a power creep and nothing more than a bunch of circle jerks in the same tiny skilling gang attempting to hurt big skilling services.

Compared to you all I single handily sell more accounts and order more training than everyone on the first page put together, I have over $6,000+ in outstanding accounts being built and I am the oldest remaining skiller that did this full-time for YEARS, I also had a small stint at UPS briefly. I know what skilling entails, that's not even touching my account stocks or anything else, I may not directly skill anymore but this would significantly damage the skillers that work on my behalf and would require more pay because the job is more labor intensive thus raising the price of accounts that are being built.

You have no idea how much market influence Sythe has, there are long reaching effects of every decision, this is a poor decision to suggest, this suggestion only benefits one type of person:

-The people who provide services but don't sell accounts

This idea would:

-Make it more labor intensive for the skillers themselves
-Cost more to the sites/individuals that sell the actual accounts.

Funnily enough the 2 people on this suggestion besides me happen to both fall under the niche of who they benefit.

So forgive me if I laugh this shit off because this is benefiting nobody but yourselves.


It gets old seeing shit suggestions that benefit nobody but the consumer - Its why so many business's continue to leave Sythe all together, its becoming more and more unfriendly towards new business.

 

[Zynce]

Not everyone uses osbuddy, restricting services to that is a violation of free market.

You violate users that don't want to use Osbuddy for training rights the second you start dictating you MUST DO SOMETHING.

Whats next? A gold report happens and Staff dictate all workers of gold sites must use a certain screenshot tool? Gold sites have to use a certain accounting system?

Its a power creep and nothing more than a bunch of circle jerks in the same tiny skilling gang attempting to hurt big skilling services.

Compared to you all I single handily sell more accounts and order more training than everyone on the first page put together, I have over $6,000+ in outstanding accounts being built and I am the oldest remaining skiller that did this full-time for YEARS, I also had a small stint at UPS briefly. I know what skilling entails, that's not even touching my account stocks or anything else, I may not directly skill anymore but this would significantly damage the skillers that work on my behalf and would require more pay because the job is more labor intensive thus raising the price of accounts that are being built.

You have no idea how much market influence Sythe has, there are long reaching effects of every decision, this is a poor decision to suggest.

I now fully understand Why The majority of the community thinks your a cunt .
Whats the point of you telling me about your accounts , i'm Not impressed No One is And No One cares.

Stop With the talking trash Posts you Sound eleven


Also Why are you comparing skilling services to gold selling those are Two completely different things . your argument is Total bullshit , you Don't have to use osbuddy my point is that you should be able to show that you are hand training as Thats much easier to prove than proving that someone botted on your account.

 

[Away]

The regular client allows you to be on a lot more accounts at once, if you're on like 5 it doesn't really matter but for 20+ it really does. I don't support this at all, services are tough to handle, but I don't think the service provider should be held liable for any bans at all.

Considering this is the only report on @Rswap in ages I highly doubt it was his fault to begin with.

 

[Zynce]

The regular client allows you to be on a lot more accounts at once, if you're on like 5 it doesn't really matter but for 20+ it really does. I don't support this at all, services are tough to handle, but I don't think the service provider should be held liable for any bans at all.

Considering this is the only report on @Rswap in ages I highly doubt it was his fault to begin with.

Thats True But I wasnt talking about that , the situation With him isnt the only case. The point is that a customer Will never win a case even If the seller did bot And Thats What bothers me.
Unless They Can prove it But Yeah how'd you do that.
Thanks for your input tho you do have a valid point

 

There is an issue,
OSB use's alot more power:

But I do support since everyone is missing one big thing and clearly doesn't know alot about ruenscape clients.

There are other clients which take screenshots as well: Runeloader, and I'm not 100% but Chongs uses to provide screens all the time using konduits, so with this being said let compare runeloader to official client.

O very little difference besides ram incrase,
and I also know for a fact that konduits use alot less than as it freeze's game screen when ur not looking at it
Osbuddy isn't the only client out there Support.

Ps. I'm pretty sure user were banned in past for not showing proof of levels

 

I’ll never use third party clients because i don’t want to put my own account security, nor that of a customer, in the hands of a third party. Just my own view.

What exactly constitutes to proof anyway when you can just automatically screenshot each level up? Unless you want to record terabytes of footage you’re never going to be able to fully prove anything.

 

What exactly constitutes proof anyway when you can just automatically screenshot each level up? Unless you want to record terabytes of footage you’re never going to be able to fully prove anything.

Yeah, it just takes screenshot like this automatically on the level (I've edited parts of this image to hide my account):

So basically username should appear in some of the screenshots

There all just saved on a folder on your pc (edited as well)

Spoiler: Exampel images

For combat things they end up like this for the majority of the time:

The majority of the time they end up like this one: (for skilling)

 

This idea seems good in theory but not in practice, bred out of a few isolated incidents, this would have long lasting affects on every service provider. Bans do happen. Users need to understand where they stand and how sythe rulings will effect them if their account is banned. Punishing the many because of the few doesn't seem like the right stance to take.

 

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How we could prevent the user from botting his own account and then giving it for a service?
During the training the account gets banned for botting because the original owner botted it before ordering service and the account gets delayed ban.
That way he could get more money for his account than selling it because trainers have to compensate the lost account by paying/replacing it?
One thing is that OSBuddy screenshots provide very little proof that the account was legitimately trained because some of the botting clients (tribot, osbot) has mirror mode which lets you use the bot thru OSBuddy and it will take screenshots normally.

 

[Mootrucks]

You do realize you can bot via the osbuddy client right? So absolutely no support. Unless your suggesting that every trainer would have to record their screen or something 24/7 while training which is also absurd.

 

Yeah, it just takes screenshot like this automatically on the level (I've edited parts of this image to hide my account):

So basically username should appear in some of the screenshots

There all just saved on a folder on your pc (edited as well)

Spoiler: Exampel images

For combat things they end up like this for the majority of the time:

The majority of the time they end up like this one: (for skilling)

Screenshots don't really prove that you're not using a bot though. I'm pretty sure they make their UI's as overlays so they won't show up in a screenshot.

 

[KingCobra]

I've lost collectively over $5000 due to this TOS, despite the fact that the service providers are at fault, and have initially broken their own TOS by botting. I do not care if they claim they weren't botting, the fact remains.

The customer trusted the business with their asset.
The company didn't fulfil their policies by failing to provide proof of hand training xp-xp, from the very beginning of the service, to the end.

Therefore, it should be (which it is in any commercial business practice and contractural agreement) that the business is at fault, since they cannot prove their innocence when an account is banned under their possession.

If a company is to break one of their TOS (e.g. Everything done by hand), then the remaining TOS is completely obsolete and not applicable.

I really hope my situation is revised, as the company @Rswap, didn't even investigate further with his trainers.

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Teeto]

Not everyone uses osbuddy, restricting services to that is a violation of free market.

You violate users that don't want to use Osbuddy for training rights the second you start dictating you MUST DO SOMETHING.

Whats next? A gold report happens and Staff dictate all workers of gold sites must use a certain screenshot tool? Gold sites have to use a certain accounting system?

Its a power creep and nothing more than a bunch of circle jerks in the same tiny skilling gang attempting to hurt big skilling services.

Compared to you all I single handily sell more accounts and order more training than everyone on the first page put together, I have over $6,000+ in outstanding accounts being built and I am the oldest remaining skiller that did this full-time for YEARS, I also had a small stint at UPS briefly. I know what skilling entails, that's not even touching my account stocks or anything else, I may not directly skill anymore but this would significantly damage the skillers that work on my behalf and would require more pay because the job is more labor intensive thus raising the price of accounts that are being built.

You have no idea how much market influence Sythe has, there are long reaching effects of every decision, this is a poor decision to suggest, this suggestion only benefits one type of person:

-The people who provide services but don't sell accounts

This idea would:

-Make it more labor intensive for the skillers themselves
-Cost more to the sites/individuals that sell the actual accounts.

Funnily enough the 2 people on this suggestion besides me happen to both fall under the niche of who they benefit.

So forgive me if I laugh this shit off because this is benefiting nobody but yourselves.

It gets old seeing shit suggestions that benefit nobody but the consumer - Its why so many business's continue to leave Sythe all together, its becoming more and more unfriendly towards new business.

Why the fuck do you keep bringing up how much you make? No one gives a shit but yourself and your workers. The shit that comes out of your mouth is absurd. How the fuck does using a different client that AUTOMATICALLY takes screenshots make skilling more labour intensive? When Colts was around he had workers take screenshots on all their levels, I remember him having a folder about 10 gigabytes big. How is that so hard to do? Have the workers take screenshots and then they just send the file to their employer every session or week or some shit like that.

How does it cost more to sites/individuals that sell the actual accounts? Using RuneLoader or Konduit uses almost the same amount of memory as the official RuneScape client, and helps you skill better in certain scenarios.

We know that you can bot using mirror mode and looking glass, but have you guys ever considered how many resources this takes? Both the client and the bot client take memory and it will hurt big service providers that bot because they will have to shell out some of their six dollar nests to get more workers that don't have a computer older than the young entrepreneur bus.

You mention how this suggestion only benefits one type of person, but your two posts are always saying how this will hurt big service providers, even though there is little to no change to them, unless they bot services. You're so fucking arrogant everytime you post in a suggestion or RAS you turn the entire post into a shit fest. You never back up any of your posts with facts or evidence, just your opinion that you push harder than a fucking missionary.

It gets old seeing shit suggestions that benefit nobody but the consumer - Its why so many business's continue to leave Sythe all together, its becoming more and more unfriendly towards new business.

Really? You've been saying shit like this and now at the end of your post you're saying it'll hurt new businesses.

This is embarrassing, salty tiny service providers try to take out a training giant and get shit on and then want to modify the rules because of their salt due to them losing a report?

The fact tiny trainers are so desperate for business they have to reply to reports they shouldn't of and then try to suggest to modify the rules since others wont say it I will:
FUCK OFF.

Its a power creep and nothing more than a bunch of circle jerks in the same tiny skilling gang attempting to hurt big skilling services.

 

I think service provider should be obligated to offer real-time communication while account is being trained so the customer could ask for screenshot or w/e to make sure his account is not being botted at that moment but people should think for themselves too before using 3rd world country services(or the ones that get in constant trouble like bus), if someone hires workers who can't even figure out how to use osbuddy( as pathetic as it may sound) the expected service quality is obvious and i doubt they will take any anti-ban measures at all to protect their customers interests.

And for bus you're just trying to help him because you 2 are in the same boat always getting accused of poor business practice while trying to blame it on the customer.

 

I don't use the osbuddy client because it uses a lot of CPU. For service providers this would most likely be the case as well.

For myself, if I order a service, I ensure that it is not outsourced, and always do random pms for screenshots of full desktop if they are logged into my account. If they don't reply immediately, they have broken the agreement.

In the case of Heros, he should have to refund as he has gotten 5-6 people banned, and it should also be chased up that he pay those people back as he is clearly botting his services.
This is Rswap's first botting report, and the accuser had already reported someone else for the same thing previously. I would give the benefit of the doubt to Rswap.

 

I don't use the osbuddy client because it uses a lot of CPU. For service providers this would most likely be the case as well.

For myself, if I order a service, I ensure that it is not outsourced, and always do random pms for screenshots of full desktop if they are logged into my account. If they don't reply immediately, they have broken the agreement.

In the case of Heros, he should have to refund as he has gotten 5-6 people banned, and it should also be chased up that he pay those people back as he is clearly botting his services.
This is Rswap's first botting report, and the accuser had already reported someone else for the same thing previously. I would give the benefit of the doubt to Rswap.

I think i've seen something similar on him before but it was just a rant on forumsi think it was in donor lounge, guy said he kept lvling his mining with a bronze pickaxe and wouldn't change it lul