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September 11th, 2011 - What do YOU think happened?

Rsaccounttrader said:
It's clear the US didn't cause either of those events, and they were also almost entirely truthful about Pearl Harbor. Some people/aspects of the government clearly had motive to commit such an act (even though it would be highly unlikely they could rationalize it morally). Yet I have yet to see any accurate proof that the US government was behind the attacks.
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Neither have I but I find it ridiculous that the guy I quoted can so harshly deny any possibility of it based on absolutely nothing. I hate it when people make baseless claims like that.

Entirely truthful? I don't know if I'd go that far.. Nothing is conclusive, so there's no direct way of saying yes or no about whether or not they knew the Pearl Harbor attack was coming, but they at least had an idea that an attack was coming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory

Gulf of Tonkin is questionable as well:
http://www.theblackvault.com/wiki/index.php/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
 
T V said:
Building 7 didn't fall from free-fall speed, it simply collapsed because of the debris that fell from the Tower, along with several fires within the building caused by some generators that exploded after the first tower fell. The cause of the explosion was




I really don't feel that citing those events (especially since those are the only ones everyone seems to use) is a credible argument, it's somewhat of a converse fallacy.
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Really, lol, it didn't?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg

Modern buildings don't collapse from being on fire... most of the construction is steel. Need I look up melting points and how hot a typical fire (barring any sort of accelerant) is for you?
 
Tumsonis said:
I do not know was it Government or not, but the attack was from your own people - Americans.

That was not Al-Qaeda or something like that.
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U sir are stupid. Osama bin laden took credit for the act of terrorism himself...why do you think we want after him...
 
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T V said:
Excuse the double post but, I'd like to add that the amount of explosives necessary to bring down buildings of that size is massive. If you want the exact numbers I can get them for you in a bit, but what I'm getting at is that there's absolutely not way there could have been explosives planted without anyone noticing them. It would have proven to be an insurmountable task to even plant them around the base of the building without drawing any attention.
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Explosives merely need to be planted at points where the explosion would be enough to reduce any force that may resist the inertial force from the upward load. For example, get a stick and cut it with a very very very sharp knife. That is all the explosives are required to do. Once the resistance force has been removed, the building will free-fall, which video evidence suggests that it did, and the NIST report itself stated as such.

The towers came down in a way suggesting controlled demolition. You don't just throw a thousand tons of TNT at the basement, you carefully calculate where they should be placed to ensure that the structural integrity of the building is compromised so that any resistance force is eradicated and no residual force that could alter the buildings path, causing it to topple over. It's how they cut trees down. If hypothetically you could remove a section of the tree instantly, the tree would fall straight down. If however, you cut a wedge in the tree, which is what they do you can alter its projected path.

Basically, what most 9/11 conspiracy theorists or otherwise have a problem with one thing among others. How on earth can the building go into near free-fall speeds? Whether or not it was an inside job doesn't change the fact that the building did reach near free-fall speeds. How?
 
Ivy Bridge said:
Your post does nothing to discredit the perfectly LOGICAL and PLAUSIBLE scenarios in which the US Government could have and most likely did at the very least lie to the public about certain things

Also, what are your thoughts on Peal Harbor / Gulf of Tonkin incident? You think the government was entirely truthful about those events too? There has ALWAYS been a catalyst if you will for the US to entire a war... why is 9/11 any different?
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I think a smaller scale operation would have worked fine then.
 
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Now pearl harbor and other false flag operations are coming into the conversation lol :P

Pearl Harbor, was known about and was provoked. They needed to cause the Japanese to attack them so they had a one-way ticket into the war.

Before Pearl Harbor, not many Americans supported WW2. After Pearl Harbor 1-2 Million American men signed up.

As for my "explosive" theory.
Whoever said "Cut it like a knife" is in the same mind of thinking as me.

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R.I.P. to the 2,976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and R.I.P. to the 48,644 Afghan and 1,690,903 Iraqi people that paid the ultimate price for a crime they did not commit. Oh and the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who experience this everyday. Your 9/11 is their 24/7.
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I didn't write that, but found it on a YouTube comment..
 
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Well, believe what you want but, tbh I really don't want to go back into this discussion. I don't have the time or the motivation, and not only that but this thread isn't really even about that.

Plus this was already discussed on this thread http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1193655 about a month ago. If you really want to see my thoughts on the topic, read through my posts in that thread, though I don't know if it's a good idea to post, as you may get receive an infraction for gravedigging.
 
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T V said:
Well, believe what you want but, tbh I really don't want to go back into this discussion. I don't have the time or the motivation, and not only that but this thread isn't really even about that.

Plus this was already discussed on this thread http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1193655 about a month ago. If you really want to see my thoughts on the topic, read through my posts in that thread, though I don't know if it's a good idea to post, as you may get receive an infraction for gravedigging.
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I totally respect your view, and you debunking provides a lot of proof and has opened my eyes a little more. Thanks for taking the time to show me that.
 
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No problem. I mean, I don't want ever want to come across as the type of person who always wants to be right, or who thinks he knows all the answers (because I don't). And I'll admit that there are a few things about the whole event that don't seem to add up, but for me personally, I've yet to come across a movie/film/documentary/book that 100% convinces me that this was anything other than a terrorist plot.

As much as I love a good debate, I just feel that this one would just become a reiteration of the previous.
 
I believe that the government was the reason this all happened.
 
Tumsonis said:
I do not know was it Government or not, but the attack was from your own people - Americans.

That was not Al-Qaeda or something like that.
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It was actually several egyptians get it correct.
 
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