September 11th, 2011 - What do YOU think happened?

http://gprime.net/flash.php/911pentagonstrikeconspiracy

Whilst I don't believe the government had as much involvement as the above link indicates, it's still worth watching.

Eyes opened...
Thanks a lot Giv'

That's crazy. I really didn't think too much about it up to today. Now I'll have to have some discussions about this.

 

[Tumsonis]

Ignorant-You would like it to have been an attack from our own people but it wasn't. The closest thing to the attackers being American were FAKE passports.

Maybe the attack was done by non-Americans, but it was planned by them, nobody else.

Then why US Government prevented any investigations. Why they were hiding whole information/real information. I knew few journalists from yellow press, who were killed(mysteriously died) after they started to dig deeper.

 

[rabbit2221]

To be honest, i think bush had something to do with it

 

[alexander951]

Why would our government do it? So we could go to war with a country that provides no benefit? Increased gas prices and trillions of dollars of debt? Tell me how we benefited from this attack then i'll start looking into a government conspiracy.

 

[Lillie_Services]

Zeitgeist is a very good film to watch about the conspiracy of 9/11.

Me personally, After all the truths came out about Vietnam. That the ship wasn't actually sunk, nor were there any ship off the coast of Vietnam. I refuse to believe anything the American government speaks.

I personally feel it was a tactical ploy to rage war against Afghanistan and the Middle-East for oil and the general profit of war.

^^^ This is what I think.
Government wanted a reason to attack Middle-East and he got it.
World Trade Center is nothing comparatively to all the money he COULD get from all the oil.
Now, the thing is that they have to actually win the war to get the oil, which will be pretty hard since the Taliban won't quit and as soon as the government will bring back the troops, now they'll do a REAL terrorist attack.

That's my personal opinion, nothing more.

 

[-Ryan]

http://gprime.net/flash.php/911pentagonstrikeconspiracy

Whilst I don't believe the government had as much involvement as the above link indicates, it's still worth watching.

Great video Giv, opened my eyes even more on the whole situation.

 

Yeah, after watching many videos and reading a lot.

I can't conclude it was the government, but I could be certain it wasn't external terrorists.

 

[Punjabi3]

Majority of the videos from broadcasts people use such as news reporters stating things before they happen can easily be bad communication, it isn't like the reporters were standing beside the buildings as they fell. The things they were stating were being told by others who were informed by several witnesses.

Also its sad the fact that people mourn over 2000- 3000 people who died on US soil but don't even give a shit about the millions of citizens killed during the war. I met one person who said the citizens lives were worthless compared to those in the 9/11 incident and the citizens killed in the war by US soldiers shouldn't be mourned over since they deserved it. The sad part was many people agreed with him.

[YOUTUBE]5rXPrfnU3G0[/YOUTUBE] the person who leaked the video is now in jail. If we got to see all the videos from American vehicles the 9/11 incident would seem like nothing compared to these. Last time I checked when you see a kid come out of a van you don't start up a machine gun to destroy them.

Edit: Also apparently one of the videos I seen shows one of the buildings blow up before the plane hits but that could have been edited I don't know though.

 

[Honeo]

Honestly, pretty disrespectful of you to make this topic the day of the 10 year anniversary. I would have understood if it was a week before or after, but the day of, not cool.

But anyway I find it hard to believe the government had anything to do with it considering everything that's been coming out via wiki leaks and hacker groups. Someone should have found something by now.

 

[Coinshare]

To be honest, I just realized how corrupt the U.S Gov't is.

Bay of Pigs incident during the Cold War, helping out Afghanistan when they fought Russia, Pearl Harbor, damn I could go on...

I think the Gov't had something to do with 9/11. I don't know if it was just a tiny bit or if they planned everything and instructed the terrorists on what to do, how to do it, give them special training in their bases, etc.

I do know for a fact that the U.S has done this type of stuff in the past to go to war (I think everyone does..)

 

[SmokeHut]

What do 'I' think happened..

Well where do I start;

TERRORISM:
Technique used by Governments to manipulate public
opinion in order to further an agenda.

The fact that in 1993 the FBI funded, supplied and pretty much carried out the first attack on the World Trade Centre. Six people were killed,
"..not enough to pass the anti-terror legislation"

When Bush & Cheney met with the 911 Commission,
they did so only on their own terms:

-They appeared together
-They were not under oath
-No press or family members were allowed to attend
-No recording of any kind was allowed
-No transcript was allowed

9/11 was a "false flag" operation, intended to authorize documents and
funds needed for a new level of imperial mobilization.

Do your research and find out the other false flag operations..

World war 1
World war 2
Vietnam..

The obvious fact that buildings 1,2 and 7 all fell in a manor of a controlled
demolition.

The fact that none of the 47 ( I think ) central supports for the building were standing,
which if the "pancake" effect was to be true they would be.
For weeks after molten steel ( Thermite ) pools were found at well over 2,000 degrees,
500 degrees more than jet fuel burns.
This was also found in the rubble of building 7.

The numerous claims of explosions in the basements of the towers, seconds before the planes hit.

I really could go on forever but I think you get my point.

TL;DR, The government did it.

 

[T V]

Yeah, when they interviewed one of the women she said she had no plans of committing suicide, but they found her dead... and marked the cause as suicide.

Piltro... if you get your information from sources that seek out to spread conspiracy theories, of course you're going to find 'interesting' info.

I have a homemade video of a group of people who uncovered the actual science about 9/11, and it stated that it was an inside job planned by the government to make roughly $2,000,000,000 from the destruction of the buildings, and much-much more!...

I'll have to make a copy and share it with everyone. It's overwhelming to the mind.

The "actual science" is that it was inside job...?

George Bush ignored the warnings from CIA.

I heard this on a News channel.

The Government receives thousands of threats each day. Imagine how much time and money it would cost to investigate each individual one.

What do 'I' think happened..

Well where do I start;

TERRORISM:
Technique used by Governments to manipulate public
opinion in order to further an agenda.

The fact that in 1993 the FBI funded, supplied and pretty much carried out the first attack on the World Trade Centre. Six people were killed,
"..not enough to pass the anti-terror legislation"

When Bush & Cheney met with the 911 Commission,
they did so only on their own terms:

-They appeared together
-They were not under oath
-No press or family members were allowed to attend
-No recording of any kind was allowed
-No transcript was allowed

9/11 was a "false flag" operation, intended to authorize documents and
funds needed for a new level of imperial mobilization.

Do your research and find out the other false flag operations..

World war 1
World war 2
Vietnam..

The obvious fact that buildings 1,2 and 7 all fell in a manor of a controlled
demolition.

The fact that none of the 47 ( I think ) central supports for the building were standing,
which if the "pancake" effect was to be true they would be.
For weeks after molten steel ( Thermite ) pools were found at well over 2,000 degrees,
500 degrees more than jet fuel burns.
This was also found in the rubble of building 7.

The numerous claims of explosions in the basements of the towers, seconds before the planes hit.

I really could go on forever but I think you get my point.

TL;DR, The government did it.

Where the hell did you get your definition of terrorism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

There is no universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

No where on Earth will you find a definition that says terrorism is caused specifically by a government. That's not to say it can't happen, but you can't assume terrorism is always instigated by the Government.

The obvious fact that buildings 1,2 and 7 all fell in a manor of a controlled

Please tell me what these "obvious" facts are, as I've yet to encounter one that can't be debunked.
demolition.

The numerous claims of explosions in the basements of the towers, seconds before the planes hit.

And that's all these Conspiracy Theories are ever based on; claims and false premise.

 

[Ivy Bridge]

What do I honestly think? I have no clue. There's so many things that don't add up about the whole situation and what the public has been told that it is a sketchy topic. I'm not going to outright say that it was an inside job, because I have no solid proof to support the claim. Do I think the tragedy was preventable? Yes.

I won't go into super specifics, because I'll have a million patriots bashing on me saying there is no possible way the government would lie to us or anything like that. The only thing I would like to point out is that, based on what I've personally found and movies I've watched (not Loose Change before anyone asks, idr the name, it's on Netflix though) the attack on the Pentagon needs to be looked at very seriously. There's no footage at all of a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon, and no recognizable wreckage of one either. I remember watching a very informative program on Netflix about the 9/11 attacks and it very specifically focused on the Pentagon because it just doesn't add up (unfortunately, I don't remember the name). Unless the program I watched was lying, which I'll admit I'm not unequivocally sure of, the dimensions of the hole in the side of the wall were not even large enough to fit a 757 in. There are like 3 frames worth of footage of the entire Pentagon attack and none of them are even remotely recognizable as a 757. If anything, it looks like a smaller type plane, possibly a missile of some type but I personally find that highly unlikely. Doesn't that seem odd? One of the most critical buildings in the US, and this one section isn't monitored by security cameras? What about footage of the plane circling above before making its way into the Pentagon? It would seem likely that in an area as large as that and with so many businesses around, that SOMEONE would have caught it on the journey to the Pentagon. I don't claim to know what this means as a whole for the 9/11 events but I don't see why the government would lie to us about that.. There are things about the towers as well that are sketchy, but I won't go into that.

 

[SmokeHut]

@ TV, that's my definition

The buildings fell at free fall speed, it took between 8-10 seconds for the top to be on the ground.
If you'd dropped a snooker ball from the top, it would of taken around the same amount of time.
With no interruptions..

You tell me what can move mass and allow the buildings to fall at free fall?

..

Explosives.

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And to the explosives in the basement, Interviews and injuries, deaths sustained from the people who were in the basement or close to it.
What reason would they have to lie?

 

[Ivy Bridge]

@ TV, that's my definition

The buildings fell at free fall speed, it took between 8-10 seconds for the top to be on the ground.
If you'd dropped a snooker ball from the top, it would of taken around the same amount of time.
With no interruptions..

You tell me what can move mass and allow the buildings to fall at free fall?

..

Explosives.

-----

And to the explosives in the basement, Interviews and injuries, deaths sustained from the people who were in the basement or close to it.
What reason would they have to lie?

I don't know what to think of the towers falling because there is the possibility of them being weakened enough from the impacts to collapse, but they did collapse pretty damn fast. However, building 7 or whatever does raise of lot of concerns for me as well seeing as it also fell at free fall speed pretty much and it was barely even hit by any debris.. it had a lower center of gravity than the towers, and took a fraction of the damage. It shouldn't have fallen from that.

 

[Stakingfool]

Haha a act by U.S that's just stupid (sorry). Why would U.S send planes into their own buildings killing 3k people. And then start a war lasting 10 years and send over 2m American's over to Iraq/Afghanistan. This event basically cause the recession too, the dark cloud put a lot uncertainly around America, in turn hurting stocks. There is no logical reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU
^^Propaganda for terrorists

 

[Ivy Bridge]

Haha a act by U.S that's just stupid (sorry). Why would U.S send planes into their own buildings killing 3k people. And then start a war lasting 10 years and send over 2m American's over to Iraq/Afghanistan. This event basically cause the recession too, the dark cloud put a lot uncertainly around America, in turn hurting stocks. There is no logical reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU
^^Propaganda for terrorists

Your post does nothing to discredit the perfectly LOGICAL and PLAUSIBLE scenarios in which the US Government could have and most likely did at the very least lie to the public about certain things

Also, what are your thoughts on Peal Harbor / Gulf of Tonkin incident? You think the government was entirely truthful about those events too? There has ALWAYS been a catalyst if you will for the US to entire a war... why is 9/11 any different?

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

Your post does nothing to discredit the perfectly LOGICAL and PLAUSIBLE scenarios in which the US Government could have and most likely did at the very least lie to the public about certain things

Also, what are your thoughts on Peal Harbor / Gulf of Tonkin incident? You think the government was entirely truthful about those events too? There has ALWAYS been a catalyst if you will for the US to entire a war... why is 9/11 any different?

It's clear the US didn't cause either of those events, and they were also almost entirely truthful about Pearl Harbor. Some people/aspects of the government clearly had motive to commit such an act (even though it would be highly unlikely they could rationalize it morally). Yet I have yet to see any accurate proof that the US government was behind the attacks.

 

[T V]

I don't know what to think of the towers falling because there is the possibility of them being weakened enough from the impacts to collapse, but they did collapse pretty damn fast. However, building 7 or whatever does raise of lot of concerns for me as well seeing as it also fell at free fall speed pretty much and it was barely even hit by any debris.. it had a lower center of gravity than the towers, and took a fraction of the damage. It shouldn't have fallen from that.

Building 7 didn't fall from free-fall speed, it simply collapsed because of the debris that fell from the Tower, along with several fires within the building caused by some generators that exploded after the first tower fell. The cause of the explosion was

Your post does nothing to discredit the perfectly LOGICAL and PLAUSIBLE scenarios in which the US Government could have and most likely did at the very least lie to the public about certain things

Also, what are your thoughts on Peal Harbor / Gulf of Tonkin incident? You think the government was entirely truthful about those events too? There has ALWAYS been a catalyst if you will for the US to entire a war... why is 9/11 any different?

I really don't feel that citing those events (especially since those are the only ones everyone seems to use) is a credible argument, it's somewhat of a converse fallacy.

 

[T V]

Excuse the double post but, I'd like to add that the amount of explosives necessary to bring down buildings of that size is massive. If you want the exact numbers I can get them for you in a bit, but what I'm getting at is that there's absolutely not way there could have been explosives planted without anyone noticing them. It would have proven to be an insurmountable task to even plant them around the base of the building without drawing any attention.