Scammed by Roary!

[kmjt]

There can't be a double standard to the reason you guys have this rule purely due to the fact that a Mod was involved and more importantly it was Roary. Like i said you have to not be biased. Otherwise you can remove the rule which makes people have to pay back victims of hacked accounts in order to become unbanned because they weren't the ones that scammed why should they take responsibility for it? You have to see my point here roary...

It would be a double standard if Roary were to have to pay you. As I said, past reports like this always get shrugged off as a mishap (no one is held responsible).

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

Yes Roary was careless for sending a pm with just digits, but nowhere does he state that is his Skype id. Imposters are clever and can trick the majority of people.

The precedence has always been that these reports are shrugged off as a mishap. If Roary were to have to refund you it would be unfair to users who were in similar situations and did not get refunded. It should be under basic trading practices that you actually confirm the Skype id is owned by the Sythe user.

What baffles me is if you had Roary on Skype, why didn't you just ask him if the other Skype id (imposter) you were talking to was him?

The reason i didn't ask is because to me he had confirmed it was him on Sythe, no one else had access to his account, so for him to send me a pm of something that was said in conversation, thats the same as confirming your skype, hence why most people who trade when asked to confirm there skype they just show copy of the conversation. He sent me digits that were in the sample of the conversation.

Also if you actually believe that he shouldn't take responsibility for any of this then why call yourself a moderator, your defying the very word. Even if i don't get refunded something has to be done here. To shrug it off isn't the precedent, making a payment for your carelessness is the precedent (which was set by the rule that you have to payback those who were victims to scams when you are hacked)

Also i don't think any case was similar in the sense that a MODERATOR would be vague through out all his posts? please link me to a single case thats the same as this

 

I wasn't vague, I was talking with you on Skype (roarynz) too, so why would you talk to me on roarynz and not ask about jmgoldsales skype?

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

I wasn't vague, I was talking with you on Skype (roarynz) too, so why would you talk to me on roarynz and not ask about jmgoldsales skype?

Because you carelessly sent me a pm making me think it was you -.- i was talking with the other one because i had trade screens verified with that conversation!

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

I wasn't vague, I was talking with you on Skype (roarynz) too, so why would you talk to me on roarynz and not ask about jmgoldsales skype?

Wasn't vague? you were asked by the live chat to post on my selling thread and you didn't post in correct format you just posted 'Talking to you now' thats as vague as they get. Also how can we be sure it wasn't a friend of roary? I mean its live chat how did they know they were speaking to you!

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

The IP for Jmgoldsales matches another user, is located in Melbourne, AUS and doesn't belong to Roary.

Also this doesn't mean anything ask Nytrix how he told me today he has multiple muel accounts each with different IP addresses.

 

If you want to talk IP's then jmgoldsales on skype lives 14 minutes away from you..

It's not my friend, and it's not my IP.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

If you want to talk IP's then jmgoldsales on skype lives 14 minutes away from you..

It's not my friend, and it's not my IP.

Give me the location If your so accurate with IP tracing you won't be off by anything right? -.-

Also i don't see why there is still a debate, you even admit that because of you being careless you had unintentionally aided a scammer. I don't see why your not even partially going to get a blame for this.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

Firstly you both know how persistent i am so no point ignoring my valid posts.

Secondly I don't think there has ever been an incident where due to a Mods carelessness someone was scammed $200 so i don't know why you think this is the same as any other impostor posts.

Thirdly for nothing to be done is just crazy. You can submit a self request ban on my account if you are going to do nothing because that's just horse shit, a moderator gets careless and aids a scammer and nothing is done? That's just fucked... You've lost a legit one Sythe. All shops closed.

 

You even asked me my runescape display name for some reason? I told you, and you still traded someone else?

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

You even asked me my runescape display name for some reason? I told you, and you still traded someone else?

I asked you that to verify that your SKYPE ROARY wasn't hacked.


I thought you a long time user would have mules -.- Once you confirmed pm i was happy to do anything because i trust your stupid ass. How the hell would i know that your carelessness would verify a pm.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

New evidence by another user proving it was Roary:
http://puu.sh/3oS0d.png
http://puu.sh/3oS6s.png


Edited link:
http://puu.sh/3oSoM.jpg

 

Hi Muzza:

Thank you for staying patient and understanding throughout this report process.

With regards to your post here, Roary has personally shown me the PM trap, and he's been cleared of that. Someone impersonated a Sythe.org user, came onto Roary's livechat, and socially engineered him for the message information. In a similar fashion, you were also scammed - Roary was tricked into PMing you by an imposter, and so you were scammed. Here is a post briefly outlining this sort of scam: http://www.sythe.org/12032547-post6.html. Unless you have other proof showing that Roary is actually "jmgoldsales" on Skype, we will not be taking that into account. If you can provide other proof, please PM me and we will deal with that accordingly.

As for any possible reimbursement or action taken against Roary, I've copied this report to the Upper Staff Lounge for more input. We'll collectively reach a decision and PM you from there.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

Don't lock the thread a decision is still to be reached as to who is liable. The fact that you locked the thread just shows you don't want me posting anymore evidence you just want it sent through pm so you can negate facts and ignore requests. You told me if I had any evidence to pm you through Skype yet you didn't even accept or add me (after I sent pm) quit the cover up.


I have proof of Roary wanting me to delete evidence because he doesn't want to loose mod ship and I want to further explore these topics which I have screen shots for everything but will post in on my original thread once you unlock it.


More evidence:

When the imposter asked him to send a pm he had asked him to send pm and to also include include numbers in the pm (8 random digits that I chose) all he sent was the digits even though the imposter never said just send the digits only? Also why would he just send the numbers after the imposter had been linked to a banned Sythe account 3 times before the trade? On the importers 3rd attempt Roary just guessed it was him without even any proof, he claimed it was because they were back to back and there isn't allot of traffic on the site? If that's true why did he not think that the guy was making a 4rth and 5th attempt with myself and Adam?

Also I don't think you can apply the trap scam that's not what happened. What happened here was a Sythe user verified a pm for someone else, which would make them liable. Even if he didn't know him that's what happened.

Also note the conversation with Roary I had asked him if his Sythe or skype was hacked he said no he had sent me a pm already and he works for lean, if he is claiming the pm wasn't valid why would he imply it was good enough for me to trust him with it?




Even more evidence:
Superman
You claim he was socially engineered to send pm and post on the thread?

When the imposter said to him to post on the thread, instead of filling out the correct format Roary asks the imporsonator what he wants him to write? Roary never even confirmed or made any attempt to confirm he was talking to the real me on live chat yet asks him? Also this is when for the first time the imposter asks him to be specific. Which Roary does without hesitation and yet he never confirmed it was me to begin with? That's not social engineering that's just being wreckless.

Also note the second time the imposter asks for a pm was after 60m was already traded? Why would the imposter not use the same method that worked the first time which was the random numbers? It's almost as If they were happy with the first 60m and didn't expect more that's why the imposter just said send pm without even specifying what to say which was meant to be how he was scamming!


Come on just use some logic here.

 

Sure.

I've unlocked the original thread and merged your second thread in. Please post whatever you feel needs to be posted here now.

Thanks.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

Sure.

I've unlocked the original thread and merged your second thread in. Please post whatever you feel needs to be posted here now.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Way more proof (The Slip):

During the trade i was selling the gold for 2.7/m which isn't over priced but its not how much very trusted players normally buy it for. So after i had given the account the gold, i got pms from 'kmjt' who said 'he overpaid you' implying that he was talking to him after i had given the so called impostor the gold. as the livechat impostor never actually made a trade therefore who was KMJT referring to?


Evidence of impostor telling me he was speaking to KMJT (note the skype time):
http://imgur.com/uBjZ5ZP

Evidence of Kmjt telling me i had overpaid him (no context before hand):
http://imgur.com/9HQWrt0

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

I sent a stupid PM, I didn't confirm Skype name. There's a difference.

There isn't a double standard, read the stickies. We dismiss reports every day that have the same level of proof that you do here.

Why is it that you claim the pm you sent me isn't enough?

I had told you that you were hacked? You replied with 'i sent pm' implying the one you had given me should be good enough to prove that it's you i am talking to?

http://imgur.com/3EFLPhF

However now you claim it's not a valid pm?

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

Also you keep claiming that 'we are both at fault equally'

let me explain to you why it was your fault and why you don't blame the victim

If I change my display name to 'Superman' and saying hey Roary send a pm to my Sythe with a message saying this exactly "we are talking right now". Instead of Roary verifying he is talking to the correct person before Roary decides to send a PM and worst of all a PM that is vague and nothing like "talking to you on... current conversation is..." Roary decided to just send pm.

Now in my case, I asked for a PM therefore i did the right thing, the 'impersonator' asked me to verify in a specific way so i did! If they asked me to verify that they were talking to them, and i just carelessly sent out a pm that was saying whatever they wanted me to, then I would be liable as equally as you are. But i never sent out a PM. You were tricked and i was scammed. Just like a person who gets hacked is tricked, you are the one liable for disbursement.

The fact that there is no TWC or anything is beyond me. I get that you're a mod but anyone else that would of been the very least until this cleared up, I've been on Sythe as long as you my man and just cause you were allot more involved it shouldn't give you any privileges over other users.

 

Thank you.

Way more proof (The Slip):

During the trade i was selling the gold for 2.7/m which isn't over priced but its not how much very trusted players normally buy it for. So after i had given the account the gold, i got pms from 'kmjt' who said 'he overpaid you' implying that he was talking to him after i had given the so called impostor the gold. as the livechat impostor never actually made a trade therefore who was KMJT referring to?


Evidence of impostor telling me he was speaking to KMJT (note the skype time):
http://imgur.com/uBjZ5ZP

Evidence of Kmjt telling me i had overpaid him (no context before hand):
http://imgur.com/9HQWrt0

You'll have to ask KMJT who he was referring to or what he was talking about, I didn't mention buying anything from you once

Why is it that you claim the pm you sent me isn't enough?

I had told you that you were hacked? You replied with 'i sent pm' implying the one you had given me should be good enough to prove that it's you i am talking to?

http://imgur.com/3EFLPhF

However now you claim it's not a valid pm?

Because I had just PM'd you? But I never mentioned you should be talking to me on another Skype. It's not "valid" in the sense that I didn't confirm a secondary Skype, it's just stupid and was stupid.

Also you keep claiming that 'we are both at fault equally'

let me explain to you why it was your fault and why you don't blame the victim

If I change my display name to 'Superman' and saying hey Roary send a pm to my Sythe with a message saying this exactly "we are talking right now". Instead of Roary verifying he is talking to the correct person before Roary decides to send a PM and worst of all a PM that is vague and nothing like "talking to you on... current conversation is..." Roary decided to just send pm.

Now in my case, I asked for a PM therefore i did the right thing, the 'impersonator' asked me to verify in a specific way so i did! If they asked me to verify that they were talking to them, and i just carelessly sent out a pm that was saying whatever they wanted me to, then I would be liable as equally as you are. But i never sent out a PM. You were tricked and i was scammed. Just like a person who gets hacked is tricked, you are the one liable for disbursement.

The fact that there is no TWC or anything is beyond me. I get that you're a mod but anyone else that would of been the very least until this cleared up, I've been on Sythe as long as you my man and just cause you were allot more involved it shouldn't give you any privileges over other users.

A TWC is for someone who who we don't trust in the market or think people should take extra precaution with. I never scammed you, I had no intention to scam you and am no risk to the market. I made one mistake, after two years of being on Sythe, because I was tired and stressed.

Don't lock the thread a decision is still to be reached as to who is liable.
I have proof of Roary wanting me to delete evidence because he doesn't want to loose mod ship and I want to further explore these topics which I have screen shots for everything but will post in on my original thread once you unlock it.

I had asked you if we could talk about it between ourselves. I didn't scam you, therefore why make a scam report aimed at me? I asked you to address the whole AdamsGoldShop PM, not remove anything or delete anything. I showed you on screenshare how it came about and so I asked you to address the proof I just showed you and acknowledge it wasn't me on that Skype.

The fact that you locked the thread just shows you don't want me posting anymore evidence you just want it sent through pm so you can negate facts and ignore requests. You told me if I had any evidence to pm you through Skype yet you didn't even accept or add me (after I sent pm) quit the cover up.

Nobody's covering up anything, it's all here. Nobody's ignoring you and it hasn't been taken lightly.

More evidence:

When the imposter asked him to send a pm he had asked him to send pm and to also include include numbers in the pm (8 random digits that I chose) all he sent was the digits even though the imposter never said just send the digits only?

An IP joined from Melbourne, changed itself to A.d. - I was naive in believing it was you, but it all seemed to be convincing.

Also why would he just send the numbers after the imposter had been linked to a banned Sythe account 3 times before the trade? On the importers 3rd attempt Roary just guessed it was him without even any proof, he claimed it was because they were back to back and there isn't allot of traffic on the site? If that's true why did he not think that the guy was making a 4rth and 5th attempt with myself and Adam?

He joined as Mick, linked his Sythe account.
He changed his name to 'Adam, some time later after I'd had a lot of conversations and at this point I didn't realise he had changed his name. I sent him the PM reason and then he changed his name straight to 'Shaun. I then realised that this was 'Adam and Mick. Your trade hadn't occurred then.

Someone joined as A.d. and from another IP, and as I stated above:

An IP joined from Melbourne, changed itself to A.d. - I was naive in believing it was you, but it all seemed to be convincing.

Also I don't think you can apply the trap scam that's not what happened. What happened here was a Sythe user verified a pm for someone else, which would make them liable. Even if he didn't know him that's what happened.

It was a PM trap, and I was socially engineered.

Also note the conversation with Roary I had asked him if his Sythe or skype was hacked he said no he had sent me a pm already and he works for lean, if he is claiming the pm wasn't valid why would he imply it was good enough for me to trust him with it?

Because I did PM you and I was on my Skype talking to you (Roarynz) - so why would it be hacked?

Even more evidence:
Superman
You claim he was socially engineered to send pm and post on the thread?

When the imposter said to him to post on the thread, instead of filling out the correct format Roary asks the imporsonator what he wants him to write? Roary never even confirmed or made any attempt to confirm he was talking to the real me on live chat yet asks him? Also this is when for the first time the imposter asks him to be specific. Which Roary does without hesitation and yet he never confirmed it was me to begin with? That's not social engineering that's just being wreckless.

Because after I PM'd you, you Skype'd me, I assumed I must be talking to you, else why would you Skype me saying my Sythe is comprimised? We were both socially engineered.

Also note the second time the imposter asks for a pm was after 60m was already traded? Why would the imposter not use the same method that worked the first time which was the random numbers? It's almost as If they were happy with the first 60m and didn't expect more that's why the imposter just said send pm without even specifying what to say which was meant to be how he was scamming!

As far as I was concerned, a trade hadn't taken place yet (I'd confirmed it was you in my eyes because you Skype'd me right after I PM'd you). The LiveChat person asking for a convo PM assured me it couldn't be a trick because what scammer does that? So I sent you the conversation (I admit, I should have done this earlier).

Come on just use some logic here.

You're seeing this only from your point of view, I was fooled and you were fooled. I asked you on Skype if we could talk about liability between ourselves rather than making a big drama about it in Report a Scammer - which I'm not.

I'd rather talk to you in person and discuss liability rather than you just ramming your point of view down my throat the whole time. There are two sides, both just as frustrating as the other. I was willing to discuss what should happen next with you but you insisted you wanted to "make an example out of me and have me suffer consequences" instead. So that's what's happening, it's in discussion and this could have been sorted and finished yesterday had you cooperated.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

You'll have to ask KMJT who he was referring to or what he was talking about, I didn't mention buying anything from you once




Because I had just PM'd you? But I never mentioned you should be talking to me on another Skype. It's not "valid" in the sense that I didn't confirm a secondary Skype, it's just stupid and was stupid.




A TWC is for someone who who we don't trust in the market or think people should take extra precaution with. I never scammed you, I had no intention to scam you and am no risk to the market. I made one mistake, after two years of being on Sythe, because I was tired and stressed.


I had asked you if we could talk about it between ourselves. I didn't scam you, therefore why make a scam report aimed at me? I asked you to address the whole AdamsGoldShop PM, not remove anything or delete anything. I showed you on screenshare how it came about and so I asked you to address the proof I just showed you and acknowledge it wasn't me on that Skype.



Nobody's covering up anything, it's all here. Nobody's ignoring you and it hasn't been taken lightly.





An IP joined from Melbourne, changed itself to A.d. - I was naive in believing it was you, but it all seemed to be convincing.


He joined as Mick, linked his Sythe account.
He changed his name to 'Adam, some time later after I'd had a lot of conversations and at this point I didn't realise he had changed his name. I sent him the PM reason and then he changed his name straight to 'Shaun. I then realised that this was 'Adam and Mick. Your trade hadn't occurred then.

Someone joined as A.d. and from another IP, and as I stated above:




It was a PM trap, and I was socially engineered.


Because I did PM you and I was on my Skype talking to you (Roarynz) - so why would it be hacked?


Because after I PM'd you, you Skype'd me, I assumed I must be talking to you, else why would you Skype me saying my Sythe is comprimised? We were both socially engineered.


As far as I was concerned, a trade hadn't taken place yet (I'd confirmed it was you in my eyes because you Skype'd me right after I PM'd you). The LiveChat person asking for a convo PM assured me it couldn't be a trick because what scammer does that? So I sent you the conversation (I admit, I should have done this earlier).


You're seeing this only from your point of view, I was fooled and you were fooled. I asked you on Skype if we could talk about liability between ourselves rather than making a big drama about it in Report a Scammer - which I'm not.

I'd rather talk to you in person and discuss liability rather than you just ramming your point of view down my throat the whole time. There are two sides, both just as frustrating as the other. I was willing to discuss what should happen next with you but you insisted you wanted to "make an example out of me and have me suffer consequences" instead. So that's what's happening, it's in discussion and this could have been sorted and finished yesterday had you cooperated.

God reading your logic makes me so angry.
You claimed that the way you had the anonymous person verified was because they had same Ip location and same username? This was enough for you to send a vague pm? HOW THE FUCK IS THAT CONFIRMATION OF ANYTHING?? I can make an account name change the USERNAME and LOCATION
That doesn't verify anything!!

but i raised suspicion even further so i then sent you a message on your actual skype saying you must be hacked, which you responded with 'i sent you a pm ofc its legit' not 'oh i should send you a better pm because if i scam, you wouldn't be able to use this one' or a 'no here we are talking, shows example of convo'. The fact that i raised suspicion and wanted you to confirm should relieve me of any liability as i requested you to confirm more on your actual skype and me saying your hacked after you sent me a pm should of been a huge RED FLAG on your part as you had never confirmed nor made any attempt to confirm the person you were talking to on livechat was me. This resulted in a chain of events that got me put out of pocket 86m07gp -.-