Requiring Guide Verification

[PijaVenosa]

You have blatantly stated that stealing someones guides shouldn't matter as long as it is sold to those who are ignorant.

Never have I said that,I said very specifically, unless it is literal copying, then it shouldn't matter, if it isn't literal copying, then it is not ripping.
Guides are information, they will always be sold to those ignorant of the information the guide contains.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Copyrighting is as soon as the original author set pen to paper or fingers to keyboard and set out the guide. Ripping is an unofficial term, and it's irrelevant to if the actual guide is copyrighted because even if it isn't and you copy it and try to sell it then you are ripping. Copyright infringement is the legal term for breaking a copyright.

I think Gt is working on a list of common guides so that people, such as yourself, aren't going to take advantage of other people's ignorance.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

Copyrighting is as soon as the original author set pen to paper or fingers to keyboard and set out the guide. Ripping is an unofficial term, and it's irrelevant to if the actual guide is copyrighted because even if it isn't and you copy it and try to sell it then you are ripping. Copyright infringement is the legal term for breaking a copyright.

I think Gt is working on a list of common guides so that people, such as yourself, aren't going to take advantage of other people's ignorance.

I will need help as this is going to be done on the side after school/work. Ill try getting a decent list this week though.

 

[PijaVenosa]

Copyrighting is as soon as the original author set pen to paper or fingers to keyboard and set out the guide. Ripping is an unofficial term, and it's irrelevant to if the actual guide is copyrighted because even if it isn't and you copy it and try to sell it then you are ripping. Copyright infringement is the legal term for breaking a copyright.

I think Gt is working on a list of common guides so that people, such as yourself, aren't going to take advantage of other people's ignorance.

Of all the books I have bought, I have bought them because I was ignorant of their information and I seeked to be informed and be no longer an ignorant of the subject, and I had no problem with it because that was exactly what I was paying for.

Yes when I say ripping I mean infringing copyright.

I think that in order to take any action or prohibit something, there must be complain from the buyer, if he doesn't complain, has no problems, then why even bother? I haven't seen many reports, but of all the guide scams I have seen, most complain that the guide seller had lied about the guide's requirements and promises or that it simply didn't work.
I would like to see what kind of reports you are hoping to avoid by prohibiting the sale of public methods, that you couldn't avoid by simply requiring that all guide sales stick to what they promise.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not in favour of those who sell flax picking guides and don't say what it is.
But if someone buys a guide that is entitled "Runescape Guide 1$" and is given no information about the guide, then that person can not complain that this person was given a common known method because he was given exactly what was advertised.
By forcing these people to be clear and stay truthful about what they sell, you are forcing them to either make a thread stating "selling runescape money making guide 30K p/h". And you'll let the users do their work because no one will buy it.
And if they do, then good for both of them, there is nothing immoral here.
I am just thinking you are prosecuting the wrong charge, selling public information isn't wrong. Decieving, lying, false advertising is, and that is what should be punished, if you don't do any of those then you will either not sell that public information, or sell it to someone who didn't know that information, and that is fine.

Also, I see nothing wrong with allowing the sales of the DNS list, but instead of prohibiting them from selling them, just force them to clearly state what the guide is about, you will see how people will not buy it, and if they do, good for both of them.
I'm sorry for being repetitive.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

Of all the books I have bought, I have bought them because I was ignorant of their information and I seeked to be informed and be no longer an ignorant of the subject, and I had no problem with it because that was exactly what I was paying for.

Yes when I say ripping I mean infringing copyright.

I think that in order to take any action or prohibit something, there must be complain from the buyer, if he doesn't complain, has no problems, then why even bother? I haven't seen many reports, but of all the guide scams I have seen, most complain that the guide seller had lied about the guide's requirements and promises or that it simply didn't work.
I would like to see what kind of reports you are hoping to avoid by prohibiting the sale of public methods, that you couldn't avoid by simply requiring that all guide sales stick to what they promise.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not in favour of those who sell flax picking guides and don't say what it is.
But if someone buys a guide that is entitled "Runescape Guide 1$" and is given no information about the guide, then that person can not complain that this person was given a common known method because he was given exactly what was advertised.
By forcing these people to be clear and stay truthful about what they sell, you are forcing them to either make a thread stating "selling runescape money making guide 30K p/h". And you'll let the users do their work because no one will buy it.
And if they do, then good for both of them, there is nothing immoral here.
I am just thinking you are prosecuting the wrong charge, selling public information isn't wrong. Decieving, lying, false advertising is, and that is what should be punished, if you don't do any of those then you will either not sell that public information, or sell it to someone who didn't know that information, and that is fine.

Also, I see nothing wrong with allowing the sales of the DNS list, but instead of prohibiting them from selling them, just force them to clearly state what the guide is about, you will see how people will not buy it, and if they do, good for both of them.
I'm sorry for being repetitive.

DNS list if placed for a reason. Thats not in questions..

Get your friends on sythe involved please

 

[Jeff]

Support.

This has been a recent issue in the OGV.

 

[PijaVenosa]

Wow after seeing a couple more guides being sold and reported I understand what you mean, but I am still opposed to requiring verification.
I am in favour of requiring people to be clear and detailed about what they are selling, if a user is being shady/secretive about what their guide actually teaches to do then ask him if the method is public (obtainable via a google/youtube serach), if he says it is, tell him he must specify what the guide entails, if he says he isn't, and someone shows that the guide is in fact public information, then you can consider that scamming.

Also I would like to add that most of these sellers, like myself, have absolutely no malicious intentions.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

I now suggest making a sub-forum that labels guides that dont want any form of verification as RISKS EBOOKS then another for guides that actually want verification.

Yes, there are legitimate guides that dont want verification but the truth of the matter is members need to understand most of these people that don't go for verification is mostly due to the fact that it will be denied and closed.

 

[Yous]

I'm positive that if I went and bought every Oldschool RuneScape guide on Sythe I would find 90% of them somewhere on the internet. Just because you can dig it up somewhere on the internet does not mean it's stolen. These guides are for a game that was played years ago, don't expect new & special secrets.

Also people are not looking to buy 'secrets'. Let's say I am selling a guide that claims to make 500k-750k an hour with no requirements. People that buy the guide simply pay to get the method because the want to make that much, if within reading the guide the learn a new method and get the results advertised in the guide it should not be a problem. Just because AFTER purchasing a method you manage to dig it up on the internet does not necessarily mean you would have found it before buying the guide.

I feel very strongly about this because I was selling the #1 bought Oldschool guide on Sythe and I had 30+ positive vouches. The people were happy they got what they paid for. But then somebody who was upset digs up the methods online after buying my guide and gets it closed. This is really not fair in my opinion.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

I'm positive that if I went and bought every Oldschool RuneScape guide on Sythe I would find 90% of them somewhere on the internet. Just because you can dig it up somewhere on the internet does not mean it's stolen. These guides are for a game that was played years ago, don't expect new & special secrets.

Also people are not looking to buy 'secrets'. Let's say I am selling a guide that claims to make 500k-750k an hour with no requirements. People that buy the guide simply pay to get the method because the want to make that much, if within reading the guide the learn a new method and get the results advertised in the guide it should not be a problem. Just because AFTER purchasing a method you manage to dig it up on the internet does not necessarily mean you would have found it before buying the guide.

I feel very strongly about this because I was selling the #1 bought Oldschool guide on Sythe and I had 30+ positive vouches. The people were happy they got what they paid for. But then somebody who was upset digs up the methods online after buying my guide and gets it closed. This is really not fair in my opinion.

Its called stealing/copyright. You can only sell guides that you create or add on your ow twists otherwise you are scamming/stealing. No shit the guides work as mentioned because 07 is back it works again , but that doesnt mean its ok.

Anyways thats not whats being debated, its a rule for a reason that you must have rights to the guide.

 

[Yous]

Its called stealing/copyright. You can only sell guides that you create or add on your ow twists otherwise you are scamming/stealing. No shit the guides work as mentioned because 07 is back it works again , but that doesnt mean its ok.

Anyways thats not whats being debated, its a rule for a reason that you must have rights to the guide.

If I went and bought every Oldschool guide right now I would find 90% of all of them on the internet somewhere. Practically nothing in the Sythe guide section is original somewhere on the internet you will find the guide.

Just because somebody digs up the method somewhere on the internet doesn't mean it's stolen.

It's 2013 and we are going back to playing a game from the past nothing is going to be original, I don't understand why you keep avoiding that.

Also let's say all these people you are accusing as 'thieves' actually did use methods that they did not create do you really expect them to get rights from people that haven't been active in 6 years.

I don't see what you are arguing for, I also don't see why my thread/other peoples threads were closed. If I had 30+ positive vouches that means people are happy with what they paid for, because one annoyed buyer dug it up on the internet AFTER purchasing it DOES NOT mean the guide is stolen.

 

[Jake]

If I went and bought every Oldschool guide right now I would find 90% of all of them on the internet somewhere. Practically nothing in the Sythe guide section is original somewhere on the internet you will find the guide.

Just because somebody digs up the method somewhere on the internet doesn't mean it's stolen.

It's 2013 and we are going back to playing a game from the past nothing is going to be original, I don't understand why you keep avoiding that.

Also let's say all these people you are accusing as 'thieves' actually did use methods that they did not create do you really expect them to get rights from people that haven't been active in 6 years.

I don't see what you are arguing for, I also don't see why my thread/other peoples threads were closed. If I had 30+ positive vouches that means people are happy with what they paid for, because one annoyed buyer dug it up on the internet AFTER purchasing it DOES NOT mean the guide is stolen.

If it is available publicly on the internet, then it can't be sold. Most of the guides being sold right now can be found publicly, and people selling them deserve to be banned for selling public information.

 

[Shoop]

If they are selling guides you can find online, report them. As they are selling a guide that isn't theirs.

 

[Yous]

If they are selling guides you can find online, report them. As they are selling a guide that isn't theirs.

Then be fair at least. Every single guide being sold right now is public and CAN be found somewhere online. My thread was closed and the two 'sources' were posted. Go ahead and close every thread. Otherwise your just being bias and keep threads open that are equal to mine which was closed.

So go and close EVERY guide for OldSchool

 

[Jack]

Then be fair at least. Every single guide being sold right now is public and CAN be found somewhere online. My thread was closed and the two 'sources' were posted. Go ahead and close every thread. Otherwise your just being bias and keep threads open that are equal to mine which was closed.

So go and close EVERY guide for OldSchool

He was only prompted to take action due to the fact that someone complained which, in effect, singled you out. They don't have enough time to tackle each of them, as some may be legitimate and they would have simply wasted their time. Basically stop being so butthurt, you were breaching the rules so your thread was closed.

 

[Dave]

With the close of OGV, there isn't really such a thing as "Officially Verified" guides so I'd just say that if you see a guide can be found somewhere else for free, let a staff member know and we'll close the topic. If not, the guide is able to be sold.