Vouched while being banned?

If user x is banned, but they continue to participate in black market activity (buying/selling accounts, buying/selling gold, MM'ing) and user y vouches them on their thread (for an offsite transaction), should this be allowed?

I don't feel like it should, but I'd like more opinions.

 

I honestly feel like no harm no foul. A lot of these users if they're still trading, and go through the trouble of requesting a vouch, plan on pardoning and this could show they're being trusted with money even when they're banned. I assume this is regarding: http://www.sythe.org/spam-forum/1887230-wolfrunescape-1-banned-mm.html

However some banned users just get vouches of them buying a ton of shit off of known traders like R2p which don't really show any trust.

Due to this i'm not really sure if it should be allowed, disallowed, or only allowed in certain cases.

 

i guess the key phrase here is "offsite transaction" - if it's a vouch for business done on another site, i don't think this should be allowed. if it's for business done on sythe and one party happens to be banned, i think this is fine. a vouch is proof of a successful business transaction, and if an unbanned user is willing to post on behalf on a banned one, i don't see why we should prevent them from doing so.

 

Isnt that a good thing? If hes making successful trades with people from sythe, he deserves a vouch banned or not

 

Well what's the point of a ban then? If a ban is implemented to punish those who go against the rules, why should they be allowed to continue to trade off the site and have it still count towards their site rep? This is similar to not allowing off-site vouches to count on Sythe. If we don't allow vouches from outside the site (on other black market sites) then why should that not include vouches from transactions occurring while you're banned? They are the same thing, off-site transactions.

 

I don't believe this should be allowed, Isn't Bus conducting business using Sythe? Why should he be allowed to post vouches even when his pardon/dispute was rejected? (just using bus as an example)

If you're banned, you're banned. You shouldn't be able to take advantage of Sythe AT ALL, even for something like a vouch.

 

I don't see any harm in it. Provided you're following the rules of Sythe and not making new accounts, self vouching etc I don't see any issue with it. If someone chooses to conduct business with a banned member that is their choice and to deny them the ability to vouch for someone after they've been banned is kind of ridiculous.

What if said user is banned for something that may be overturned? Honestly this isn't something that I'd like the staff getting involved in.

 

I dont see why this would be an issue as long as before the trade the user knows the other user is banned.

 

IMO, if someone is banned from the site, they should be banned from using it as though they are an active member. You don't need a Sythe account to buy and sell things per say, but you do need a Sythe account to gather vouches, post threads, etc. You should not be allowed to gain vouches whilst you are banned.

 

Ok so say X is banned and while banned conducts 12 bussiness transactions. 6 months later X applied for a pardon and received it. Since X is an unbanned user again, Can he get into contact with the 12 people he did bussiness with and receive a vouch from them then? Or is he never aloud to receive those specific 12 as they happened while he was banned?

Honestly grey areas like this suck, however, i think that a person should always be able to collect vouches because its just a reassurance that they didnt scam. If they cant collect them while banned but can collect them afterwords then it doesnt make sense regardless seeing as they are going to get them anyway. It just Saves X from needing to recontact those 12 people and saves him time.

 

I feel it should be allowed. Would give them access to gaining vouches for a possible unban, depending on the ban reason.

 

Currently there is no rule against it; also some members will not vouch for you if they are banned. There is no reason not to vouch for a member who is banned if he is doing trades safely.

 

Why would a banned member even be allowed to have a vouch thread? I don't understand this at all. They're not an active member and can't actively maintain the thread so it should be archived.

If a person scams and is caught doing it, they should be allowed to continuing gaining vouches? Why? If a person gets a pardon denied why should they be allowed to continue gaining vouches?

If you're banned, you should NOT be allowed to continue accessing Sythe, especially for something like gaining trust. They're banned for a reason, get unbanned first then worry about gaining vouches.

What? That doesn't make any sense, reassurance that they didn't scam? If they didn't scam then they wouldn't be banned!