buyssgplox
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Hopefully this is not the real "N4NO"
[8/13/2014 5:09:09 PM] live:n4n0: Hi FatA55Ray, I'd like to add you as a contact.
[8/13/2014 5:12:05 PM] *** FatA55Ray has shared contact details with live:n4n0. ***
[8/13/2014 5:12:07 PM] FatA55Ray: hi
[8/13/2014 5:12:32 PM] live:n4n0: Hey
[8/13/2014 5:12:35 PM] live:n4n0: Much Ikov do u need
[8/13/2014 5:12:48 PM] FatA55Ray: rate is 500k/b correct
[8/13/2014 5:13:15 PM] live:n4n0: How much ikov r u in need of
[8/13/2014 5:13:34 PM] FatA55Ray: 30b+
[8/13/2014 5:13:48 PM] live:n4n0: Can do 700k
[8/13/2014 5:13:56 PM] FatA55Ray: per b?
[8/13/2014 5:14:03 PM] live:n4n0: Yes
[8/13/2014 5:14:04 PM] live:n4n0: http://www.sythe.org/vouches-forum/869295-n4n0s-vouches-here.html
[8/13/2014 5:14:05 PM] FatA55Ray: r u srs lol did u come from my thread?
[8/13/2014 5:14:07 PM] live:n4n0: I am an admin/OMM
[8/13/2014 5:14:16 PM] FatA55Ray: well did u come from my thread?
[8/13/2014 5:14:31 PM] live:n4n0: I saw ur topic yes
[8/13/2014 5:14:39 PM] FatA55Ray: i want more like 2 phats for 17m 07
[8/13/2014 5:15:19 PM] FatA55Ray: is that possible?
[8/13/2014 5:15:56 PM] live:n4n0: I doubt it :x but let me look at the market
[8/13/2014 5:17:34 PM] live:n4n0: Can offer you 30b
[8/13/2014 5:17:37 PM] live:n4n0: for 17m 07
[8/13/2014 5:17:47 PM] FatA55Ray: do u have 2 phats/
[8/13/2014 5:18:01 PM] FatA55Ray: wanan give 1 pjat to friend for birthday
[8/13/2014 5:18:37 PM] live:n4n0: I can get 2 whites
[8/13/2014 5:20:46 PM] live:n4n0: Deal?
[8/13/2014 5:20:54 PM] live:n4n0: I am an OMM/Admin with 2500+ feedback
[8/13/2014 5:21:00 PM] FatA55Ray: i have someone offering blue and purple
[8/13/2014 5:21:11 PM] live:n4n0: Yeh i cant beat that man
[8/13/2014 5:21:14 PM] live:n4n0: im a reseller
[8/13/2014 5:21:16 PM] live:n4n0: so i have to profit
[8/13/2014 5:22:31 PM] FatA55Ray: can u mm?
[8/13/2014 5:23:10 PM] live:n4n0: yeh
[8/13/2014 5:23:16 PM] FatA55Ray: for me and soso
[8/13/2014 5:23:33 PM] live:n4n0: Np add me in the convo if u can
[8/13/2014 5:39:36 PM] FatA55Ray: bro ill buy
[8/13/2014 5:39:50 PM] live:n4n0: ?
[8/13/2014 5:39:59 PM] FatA55Ray: u are n4no correct?
[8/13/2014 5:40:02 PM] FatA55Ray: not any imposter
[8/13/2014 5:40:27 PM] live:n4n0: are u dumb lol why would i imposter you for 17m when i just mmed 1,1b
[8/13/2014 5:40:55 PM] FatA55Ray: cuz i went on the thread
[8/13/2014 5:41:01 PM] FatA55Ray: and clicked the skype button
[8/13/2014 5:41:05 PM] FatA55Ray: and i didnt add u
[8/13/2014 5:41:36 PM] live:n4n0: cause we are already added
[8/13/2014 5:41:40 PM] live:n4n0: I can give you two phats
[8/13/2014 5:41:42 PM] live:n4n0: for 17m 07 yes
[8/13/2014 5:41:49 PM] FatA55Ray: can u just pm me pls
[8/13/2014 5:41:52 PM] FatA55Ray: on ur thread
[8/13/2014 5:41:57 PM] FatA55Ray: it says dont trade until i pm
[8/13/2014 5:41:57 PM] live:n4n0: No. I have already posted my skype on my topic
[8/13/2014 5:42:03 PM] live:n4n0: That is for paypal donations
[8/13/2014 5:42:03 PM] live:n4n0: to the website
[8/13/2014 5:42:33 PM] *** FatA55Ray created a group conversation with -Ryan.
Show group conversation ***
[8/13/2014 5:42:51 PM] FatA55Ray: ?
[8/13/2014 5:42:53 PM] live:n4n0: Invite me into convos again
[8/13/2014 5:42:58 PM] live:n4n0: and i will just go ahead and ban you
[8/13/2014 5:43:01 PM] live:n4n0: i am busy and ur taking up my time
[8/13/2014 5:53:06 PM] live:n4n0: Where in LA do you live?
[8/13/2014 5:54:46 PM] live:n4n0: Hi FatA55Ray, I'd like to add you as a contact.
[8/13/2014 5:54:52 PM] *** FatA55Ray has shared contact details with live:n4n0. ***
[8/13/2014 5:55:04 PM] live:n4n0: So i just logged into Admin cp
[8/13/2014 5:55:10 PM] live:n4n0: Country: United States us flag
State/Region: ?????
City: ????????
Latitude: ?????? (???????????)
Longitude: ??????? (???????????????)
Area Code: ?????
Postal Code: ???????
[8/13/2014 5:55:12 PM] live:n4n0: This is your INFO
[8/13/2014 5:55:15 PM] live:n4n0: isnt that enough proof
[8/13/2014 5:55:31 PM] FatA55Ray: u just fuiqng called me idiot
[8/13/2014 5:55:33 PM] FatA55Ray: u are so so
[8/13/2014 5:55:36 PM] live:n4n0: Lol?
[8/13/2014 5:56:11 PM] live:n4n0: http://gyazo.com/3a233110395012450c673d83b3bd3e4e
[8/13/2014 5:56:12 PM] live:n4n0: is that so
[8/13/2014 5:56:25 PM] FatA55Ray: look bro
[8/13/2014 5:56:28 PM] FatA55Ray: i already asked ryan
[8/13/2014 5:56:34 PM] live:n4n0: ur fake ryan u mean?
[8/13/2014 5:56:35 PM] FatA55Ray: which is trusted omm
[8/13/2014 5:56:39 PM] FatA55Ray: nah bro
[8/13/2014 5:56:45 PM] FatA55Ray: i dont want to do business with u
[8/13/2014 5:56:46 PM] live:n4n0: Gl buying anything
[8/13/2014 5:56:48 PM] FatA55Ray: and he isnt scammer
[8/13/2014 5:56:50 PM] FatA55Ray: he will pm u
[8/13/2014 5:56:51 PM] live:n4n0: when i put ur ip on 4chan
[8/13/2014 5:56:53 PM] FatA55Ray: with his forums acc
[8/13/2014 5:56:57 PM] FatA55Ray: lol go ahead
[8/13/2014 5:56:58 PM] live:n4n0: for downloading child porn
[8/13/2014 5:57:02 PM] FatA55Ray: lol go ahead
[8/13/2014 5:57:05 PM] live:n4n0: see how welcome u are on the internet then
[8/13/2014 5:57:05 PM] FatA55Ray: already blocked it
[8/13/2014 5:57:13 PM] FatA55Ray: all i need to do is show them this
[8/13/2014 5:57:22 PM] FatA55Ray: bro dont worry
[8/13/2014 5:57:25 PM] FatA55Ray: i got ur info too
[10:33:46 PM] live:n4n0: Not getting much trades are you kiddo?
[10:33:55 PM] live:n4n0: there is a note on your account visible to all active members =)
[10:33:56 PM] FatA55Ray: just pm me
[10:34:28 PM] FatA55Ray: pm me "real n4no"
[10:34:34 PM] FatA55Ray: ill be happy to do business with u
[10:34:35 PM] FatA55Ray: if u do
[10:34:41 PM] FatA55Ray: ill even beg u
[10:34:45 PM] FatA55Ray: say sorry so many times
[10:34:46 PM] live:n4n0: Look
[10:34:53 PM] live:n4n0: you are a retard for flaming me last night.
[10:35:00 PM] live:n4n0: I have no interest in buisness with you.
[10:35:05 PM] FatA55Ray: cuz u wouldnt do what u said urself
[10:35:10 PM] FatA55Ray: u said
[10:35:15 PM] FatA55Ray: before doing any business
[10:35:17 PM] FatA55Ray: request a pm
[10:35:21 PM] FatA55Ray: if u dont get pm
[10:35:23 PM] FatA55Ray: dont do business
[10:35:25 PM] FatA55Ray: simple
[10:36:21 PM] live:n4n0: You are so dumb lol
[10:36:31 PM] live:n4n0: Even Ryan is told to not MM for you.
[10:36:40 PM] FatA55Ray: l0l
[10:36:44 PM] FatA55Ray: that fanny
[10:36:47 PM] FatA55Ray: show me
[10:37:15 PM] live:n4n0: Dont worry. See if you will find a trade on Sythe =)
[10:38:10 PM] FatA55Ray: thats the funny thing
[10:38:27 PM] FatA55Ray: u were the one flaming me
[10:38:35 PM] live:n4n0: Cause you wasted my time.
[10:38:37 PM] FatA55Ray: threatning to ban me for downloading child porn lol
[10:38:41 PM] FatA55Ray: look
[10:38:44 PM] live:n4n0: Yeh that was just dumb shit.
[10:38:50 PM] FatA55Ray: im sorry for what i said and pls pm me
[10:38:52 PM] live:n4n0: Obv wouldnt risk my job over you.
[10:38:57 PM] live:n4n0: My info is public.
[10:39:00 PM] FatA55Ray: yea
[10:39:13 PM] live:n4n0: You will say sorry, and you will be the first to pay an OMM fee.
[10:39:24 PM] FatA55Ray: im requesting a pm pls
[10:39:25 PM] live:n4n0: http://gyazo.com/d9450317feac1faec10bec31b1e9e3aa
[10:39:39 PM] live:n4n0: There you go. PM is reserved for paypal donators and people sell me RSGP.
[10:40:03 PM] FatA55Ray: lol
[10:40:09 PM] FatA55Ray: an actualy pm through website
[10:40:15 PM] FatA55Ray: so i can confirm its u lol
[10:40:58 PM] live:n4n0: Not going to repeat my self. I will post another sexy little thing next to your name if you keep this up =)
[10:41:08 PM] FatA55Ray: go ahead lol
[10:41:11 PM] FatA55Ray: if u cant pm me
[10:41:16 PM] FatA55Ray: u should lose ur job
[10:41:20 PM] live:n4n0: Yeh
[10:41:25 PM] live:n4n0: Voted best admin of 2013
[10:41:30 PM] live:n4n0: and some idiot like you thinks i should lose my job
[10:41:33 PM] live:n4n0: cause he is too dumb
[10:41:36 PM] FatA55Ray: i dont get why u are argueing with me
[10:41:40 PM] FatA55Ray: cant u just pm me
[10:41:44 PM] FatA55Ray: and prove im wrong?
[10:41:51 PM] live:n4n0: Principle.
[10:41:58 PM] FatA55Ray: "principle"
[10:42:16 PM] FatA55Ray: or u just aint the real one
[10:43:08 PM] FatA55Ray: or u can just pm me
[10:43:45 PM] live:n4n0: Or you can SMD lol.
[10:43:54 PM] live:n4n0: i dont care. you arent getting buisness on Sythe
[10:43:54 PM] live:n4n0: go to powerbot
[10:44:00 PM] FatA55Ray: just gonna post this whole convo
[10:44:03 PM] FatA55Ray: if i get banned
[10:44:05 PM] FatA55Ray: that sucks
[10:44:16 PM] live:n4n0: Make this convo public
[10:44:21 PM] live:n4n0: and your IP goes on every blackhat forum
[10:44:28 PM] live:n4n0: Along with your details in where you live in LA
[10:44:29 PM] live:n4n0: and etc
[10:44:31 PM] live:n4n0: Try me.
[10:44:36 PM] FatA55Ray: lol go
[10:44:40 PM] FatA55Ray: come to my house baby
[10:44:44 PM] FatA55Ray: threat me more
[10:44:58 PM] live:n4n0: I live in WA, i wont be coming to your house.
[10:45:12 PM] live:n4n0: but its not hard to prank call the cops saying you are gonna shoot your family and etc
[8/13/2014 5:09:09 PM] live:n4n0: Hi FatA55Ray, I'd like to add you as a contact.
[8/13/2014 5:12:05 PM] *** FatA55Ray has shared contact details with live:n4n0. ***
[8/13/2014 5:12:07 PM] FatA55Ray: hi
[8/13/2014 5:12:32 PM] live:n4n0: Hey
[8/13/2014 5:12:35 PM] live:n4n0: Much Ikov do u need
[8/13/2014 5:12:48 PM] FatA55Ray: rate is 500k/b correct
[8/13/2014 5:13:15 PM] live:n4n0: How much ikov r u in need of
[8/13/2014 5:13:34 PM] FatA55Ray: 30b+
[8/13/2014 5:13:48 PM] live:n4n0: Can do 700k
[8/13/2014 5:13:56 PM] FatA55Ray: per b?
[8/13/2014 5:14:03 PM] live:n4n0: Yes
[8/13/2014 5:14:04 PM] live:n4n0: http://www.sythe.org/vouches-forum/869295-n4n0s-vouches-here.html
[8/13/2014 5:14:05 PM] FatA55Ray: r u srs lol did u come from my thread?
[8/13/2014 5:14:07 PM] live:n4n0: I am an admin/OMM
[8/13/2014 5:14:16 PM] FatA55Ray: well did u come from my thread?
[8/13/2014 5:14:31 PM] live:n4n0: I saw ur topic yes
[8/13/2014 5:14:39 PM] FatA55Ray: i want more like 2 phats for 17m 07
[8/13/2014 5:15:19 PM] FatA55Ray: is that possible?
[8/13/2014 5:15:56 PM] live:n4n0: I doubt it :x but let me look at the market
[8/13/2014 5:17:34 PM] live:n4n0: Can offer you 30b
[8/13/2014 5:17:37 PM] live:n4n0: for 17m 07
[8/13/2014 5:17:47 PM] FatA55Ray: do u have 2 phats/
[8/13/2014 5:18:01 PM] FatA55Ray: wanan give 1 pjat to friend for birthday
[8/13/2014 5:18:37 PM] live:n4n0: I can get 2 whites
[8/13/2014 5:20:46 PM] live:n4n0: Deal?
[8/13/2014 5:20:54 PM] live:n4n0: I am an OMM/Admin with 2500+ feedback
[8/13/2014 5:21:00 PM] FatA55Ray: i have someone offering blue and purple
[8/13/2014 5:21:11 PM] live:n4n0: Yeh i cant beat that man
[8/13/2014 5:21:14 PM] live:n4n0: im a reseller
[8/13/2014 5:21:16 PM] live:n4n0: so i have to profit
[8/13/2014 5:22:31 PM] FatA55Ray: can u mm?
[8/13/2014 5:23:10 PM] live:n4n0: yeh
[8/13/2014 5:23:16 PM] FatA55Ray: for me and soso
[8/13/2014 5:23:33 PM] live:n4n0: Np add me in the convo if u can
[8/13/2014 5:39:36 PM] FatA55Ray: bro ill buy
[8/13/2014 5:39:50 PM] live:n4n0: ?
[8/13/2014 5:39:59 PM] FatA55Ray: u are n4no correct?
[8/13/2014 5:40:02 PM] FatA55Ray: not any imposter
[8/13/2014 5:40:27 PM] live:n4n0: are u dumb lol why would i imposter you for 17m when i just mmed 1,1b
[8/13/2014 5:40:55 PM] FatA55Ray: cuz i went on the thread
[8/13/2014 5:41:01 PM] FatA55Ray: and clicked the skype button
[8/13/2014 5:41:05 PM] FatA55Ray: and i didnt add u
[8/13/2014 5:41:36 PM] live:n4n0: cause we are already added
[8/13/2014 5:41:40 PM] live:n4n0: I can give you two phats
[8/13/2014 5:41:42 PM] live:n4n0: for 17m 07 yes
[8/13/2014 5:41:49 PM] FatA55Ray: can u just pm me pls
[8/13/2014 5:41:52 PM] FatA55Ray: on ur thread
[8/13/2014 5:41:57 PM] FatA55Ray: it says dont trade until i pm
[8/13/2014 5:41:57 PM] live:n4n0: No. I have already posted my skype on my topic
[8/13/2014 5:42:03 PM] live:n4n0: That is for paypal donations
[8/13/2014 5:42:03 PM] live:n4n0: to the website
[8/13/2014 5:42:33 PM] *** FatA55Ray created a group conversation with -Ryan.
Show group conversation ***
[8/13/2014 5:42:51 PM] FatA55Ray: ?
[8/13/2014 5:42:53 PM] live:n4n0: Invite me into convos again
[8/13/2014 5:42:58 PM] live:n4n0: and i will just go ahead and ban you
[8/13/2014 5:43:01 PM] live:n4n0: i am busy and ur taking up my time
[8/13/2014 5:53:06 PM] live:n4n0: Where in LA do you live?
[8/13/2014 5:54:46 PM] live:n4n0: Hi FatA55Ray, I'd like to add you as a contact.
[8/13/2014 5:54:52 PM] *** FatA55Ray has shared contact details with live:n4n0. ***
[8/13/2014 5:55:04 PM] live:n4n0: So i just logged into Admin cp
[8/13/2014 5:55:10 PM] live:n4n0: Country: United States us flag
State/Region: ?????
City: ????????
Latitude: ?????? (???????????)
Longitude: ??????? (???????????????)
Area Code: ?????
Postal Code: ???????
[8/13/2014 5:55:12 PM] live:n4n0: This is your INFO
[8/13/2014 5:55:15 PM] live:n4n0: isnt that enough proof
[8/13/2014 5:55:31 PM] FatA55Ray: u just fuiqng called me idiot
[8/13/2014 5:55:33 PM] FatA55Ray: u are so so
[8/13/2014 5:55:36 PM] live:n4n0: Lol?
[8/13/2014 5:56:11 PM] live:n4n0: http://gyazo.com/3a233110395012450c673d83b3bd3e4e
[8/13/2014 5:56:12 PM] live:n4n0: is that so
[8/13/2014 5:56:25 PM] FatA55Ray: look bro
[8/13/2014 5:56:28 PM] FatA55Ray: i already asked ryan
[8/13/2014 5:56:34 PM] live:n4n0: ur fake ryan u mean?
[8/13/2014 5:56:35 PM] FatA55Ray: which is trusted omm
[8/13/2014 5:56:39 PM] FatA55Ray: nah bro
[8/13/2014 5:56:45 PM] FatA55Ray: i dont want to do business with u
[8/13/2014 5:56:46 PM] live:n4n0: Gl buying anything
[8/13/2014 5:56:48 PM] FatA55Ray: and he isnt scammer
[8/13/2014 5:56:50 PM] FatA55Ray: he will pm u
[8/13/2014 5:56:51 PM] live:n4n0: when i put ur ip on 4chan
[8/13/2014 5:56:53 PM] FatA55Ray: with his forums acc
[8/13/2014 5:56:57 PM] FatA55Ray: lol go ahead
[8/13/2014 5:56:58 PM] live:n4n0: for downloading child porn
[8/13/2014 5:57:02 PM] FatA55Ray: lol go ahead
[8/13/2014 5:57:05 PM] live:n4n0: see how welcome u are on the internet then
[8/13/2014 5:57:05 PM] FatA55Ray: already blocked it
[8/13/2014 5:57:13 PM] FatA55Ray: all i need to do is show them this
[8/13/2014 5:57:22 PM] FatA55Ray: bro dont worry
[8/13/2014 5:57:25 PM] FatA55Ray: i got ur info too
[10:33:46 PM] live:n4n0: Not getting much trades are you kiddo?
[10:33:55 PM] live:n4n0: there is a note on your account visible to all active members =)
[10:33:56 PM] FatA55Ray: just pm me
[10:34:28 PM] FatA55Ray: pm me "real n4no"
[10:34:34 PM] FatA55Ray: ill be happy to do business with u
[10:34:35 PM] FatA55Ray: if u do
[10:34:41 PM] FatA55Ray: ill even beg u
[10:34:45 PM] FatA55Ray: say sorry so many times
[10:34:46 PM] live:n4n0: Look
[10:34:53 PM] live:n4n0: you are a retard for flaming me last night.
[10:35:00 PM] live:n4n0: I have no interest in buisness with you.
[10:35:05 PM] FatA55Ray: cuz u wouldnt do what u said urself
[10:35:10 PM] FatA55Ray: u said
[10:35:15 PM] FatA55Ray: before doing any business
[10:35:17 PM] FatA55Ray: request a pm
[10:35:21 PM] FatA55Ray: if u dont get pm
[10:35:23 PM] FatA55Ray: dont do business
[10:35:25 PM] FatA55Ray: simple
[10:36:21 PM] live:n4n0: You are so dumb lol
[10:36:31 PM] live:n4n0: Even Ryan is told to not MM for you.
[10:36:40 PM] FatA55Ray: l0l
[10:36:44 PM] FatA55Ray: that fanny
[10:36:47 PM] FatA55Ray: show me
[10:37:15 PM] live:n4n0: Dont worry. See if you will find a trade on Sythe =)
[10:38:10 PM] FatA55Ray: thats the funny thing
[10:38:27 PM] FatA55Ray: u were the one flaming me
[10:38:35 PM] live:n4n0: Cause you wasted my time.
[10:38:37 PM] FatA55Ray: threatning to ban me for downloading child porn lol
[10:38:41 PM] FatA55Ray: look
[10:38:44 PM] live:n4n0: Yeh that was just dumb shit.
[10:38:50 PM] FatA55Ray: im sorry for what i said and pls pm me
[10:38:52 PM] live:n4n0: Obv wouldnt risk my job over you.
[10:38:57 PM] live:n4n0: My info is public.
[10:39:00 PM] FatA55Ray: yea
[10:39:13 PM] live:n4n0: You will say sorry, and you will be the first to pay an OMM fee.
[10:39:24 PM] FatA55Ray: im requesting a pm pls
[10:39:25 PM] live:n4n0: http://gyazo.com/d9450317feac1faec10bec31b1e9e3aa
[10:39:39 PM] live:n4n0: There you go. PM is reserved for paypal donators and people sell me RSGP.
[10:40:03 PM] FatA55Ray: lol
[10:40:09 PM] FatA55Ray: an actualy pm through website
[10:40:15 PM] FatA55Ray: so i can confirm its u lol
[10:40:58 PM] live:n4n0: Not going to repeat my self. I will post another sexy little thing next to your name if you keep this up =)
[10:41:08 PM] FatA55Ray: go ahead lol
[10:41:11 PM] FatA55Ray: if u cant pm me
[10:41:16 PM] FatA55Ray: u should lose ur job
[10:41:20 PM] live:n4n0: Yeh
[10:41:25 PM] live:n4n0: Voted best admin of 2013
[10:41:30 PM] live:n4n0: and some idiot like you thinks i should lose my job
[10:41:33 PM] live:n4n0: cause he is too dumb
[10:41:36 PM] FatA55Ray: i dont get why u are argueing with me
[10:41:40 PM] FatA55Ray: cant u just pm me
[10:41:44 PM] FatA55Ray: and prove im wrong?
[10:41:51 PM] live:n4n0: Principle.
[10:41:58 PM] FatA55Ray: "principle"
[10:42:16 PM] FatA55Ray: or u just aint the real one
[10:43:08 PM] FatA55Ray: or u can just pm me
[10:43:45 PM] live:n4n0: Or you can SMD lol.
[10:43:54 PM] live:n4n0: i dont care. you arent getting buisness on Sythe
[10:43:54 PM] live:n4n0: go to powerbot
[10:44:00 PM] FatA55Ray: just gonna post this whole convo
[10:44:03 PM] FatA55Ray: if i get banned
[10:44:05 PM] FatA55Ray: that sucks
[10:44:16 PM] live:n4n0: Make this convo public
[10:44:21 PM] live:n4n0: and your IP goes on every blackhat forum
[10:44:28 PM] live:n4n0: Along with your details in where you live in LA
[10:44:29 PM] live:n4n0: and etc
[10:44:31 PM] live:n4n0: Try me.
[10:44:36 PM] FatA55Ray: lol go
[10:44:40 PM] FatA55Ray: come to my house baby
[10:44:44 PM] FatA55Ray: threat me more
[10:44:58 PM] live:n4n0: I live in WA, i wont be coming to your house.
[10:45:12 PM] live:n4n0: but its not hard to prank call the cops saying you are gonna shoot your family and etc
