Reporting [solved] for a 1.5B overnight scam.

[freddyjbear96]

Scammer's profile link: cickarful
Explain the service: Infernal Cape
Amount scammed: 1.5B OSRS GP
Proof that it's their Discord: Imgur
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: can be seen in imgur
Proof that the service was not completed: Imgur
Other relevant trade screenshots: Imgur

I paid Cickarful and he failed my inferno. He went to bed, as did I, and I woke up to an empty bank. I was hesitant to accuse him as he has a huge rep profile but there were many reasons I ultimately did.

1) I Logged in on world 308 - the world I met him in on his alt to pay for the service initially the night before the scam
2) I was logged out in the EXACT spot I met his alt to pay for the service, the exact tile in lumbridge.
3) he did not provide the username of the alt that I traded when I asked - I asked as I was told by a Jagex Mod two accounts that I traded my entire bank to were banned and I wanted to check.
4) As he said himself, the only possibility was a teamviewer hijack. I installed teamviewer that night and only disclosed the password to him via discord. My authentication was never once removed.
5) I did not ever give him my OSRS password. However, it is extremely easy to get this once in teamviewer.
6) He soon after deleted me off discord, provided no evidence as to why it isn't him other than "not his style".

He has other reports against him which he never disclosed pre-trade, sasid he has never had capes removed but he has had that in the past.

 

[Azie]

@cickarful What is your side?

@freddyjbear96 unfortunately unless you have undisputable evidence it will be very difficult for us to prove who took any wealth from your account. It's always been one of those grey areas where mitigating risks is never easy.

It could be that he stole your wealth. It could be that you transferred your wealth and are falsely accusing him (I am not accusing you or anyone).

Do you have any further information that could help with this case?

 

[freddyjbear96]

@cickarful What is your side?

@freddyjbear96 unfortunately unless you have undisputable evidence it will be very difficult for us to prove who took any wealth from your account. It's always been one of those grey areas where mitigating risks is never easy.

It could be that he stole your wealth. It could be that you transferred your wealth and are falsely accusing him (I am not accusing you or anyone).

Do you have any further information that could help with this case?

I understand this part. I can provide evidence of the bans handed by the JMOD that I mentioned in the discord (to show that I actually actioned bans on two accounts that stole my wealth). Its something that I believe needs to be taken into consideration. I've had this account for 2/3 years. I've had workers from sythe level skills, do quests and never once have I had an issue. It would be way too coincidental that on the day my Infernal cape delivery went south my bank randomly disappeared. Thats all.

 

[Azie]

I understand this part. I can provide evidence of the bans handed by the JMOD that I mentioned in the discord (to show that I actually actioned bans on two accounts that stole my wealth). Its something that I believe needs to be taken into consideration. I've had this account for 2/3 years. I've had workers from sythe level skills, do quests and never once have I had an issue. It would be way too coincidental that on the day my Infernal cape delivery went south my bank randomly disappeared. Thats all.

Feel free to send anything me anything you feel can help the case. You could post them here or send them via a PM. If need be I will communicate with the rest of the team to get an overall opinion regarding the case (should it come to that stage).

 

[cickarful]

@cickarful What is your side?

@freddyjbear96 unfortunately unless you have undisputable evidence it will be very difficult for us to prove who took any wealth from your account. It's always been one of those grey areas where mitigating risks is never easy.

It could be that he stole your wealth. It could be that you transferred your wealth and are falsely accusing him (I am not accusing you or anyone).

Do you have any further information that could help with this case?

My side? I failed inferno wave 63, I go to bed because it was like 1 am or so... we had deal we will do another attempt next day, next day he told me his bank was cleaned, so I refunded 230m... and then many many accusations from his side...
Deleted him because I dont need to read something like that, mades my day bad

I do legit service and I would never scam anyone

Btw he told (after he got hacked) he ordered skill training service and he forgot to change password, so what is he blaming me for? I didnt know his password, tell me how could I log to his acc?

 

[freddyjbear96]

My side? I failed inferno wave 63, I go to bed because it was like 1 am or so... we had deal we will do another attempt next day, next day he told me his bank was cleaned, so I refunded 230m... and then many many accusations from his side...
Deleted him because I dont need to read something like that, mades my day bad

I do legit service and I would never scam anyone

Btw he told (after he got hacked) he ordered skill training service and he forgot to change password, so what is he blaming me for? I didnt know his password, tell me how could I log to his acc?

I've used a temp password on numerous occasions two two skill trainers. I keep the password when they're doing a service, otherwise it is a password that nobody else knows.

Your defence cant be "not my style". it offers no counter argument at all. Nor can it be "i didnt know his password" as anybody with half a clue is very aware how easy it is to Hijack an account with teamviewer access. The only way you can prove that you didn't scam me is providing the name of the alt I TRADED the 230m to when I paid for your inferno cape as well as the name if your MAIN which you recorded the 6 JAD attempts on and I can have a Jmod check the IP.

 

[freddyjbear96]

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I've used a temp password on numerous occasions two two skill trainers. I keep the password when they're doing a service, otherwise it is a password that nobody else knows.

Your defence cant be "not my style". it offers no counter argument at all. Nor can it be "i didnt know his password" as anybody with half a clue is very aware how easy it is to Hijack an account with teamviewer access. The only way you can prove that you didn't scam me is providing the name of the alt I TRADED the 230m to when I paid for your inferno cape as well as the name if your MAIN which you recorded the 6 JAD attempts on and I can have a Jmod check the IP.

Worth mentioning you've had;

1) Previous reports here (2B bank reported stolen)
2) capes you performed removed (can provide evidence)
3) a trade with caution previously on sythe.

You can say it isn't your style, but the fact that I have never had an account breach in 3 years of using sythe and its services up until the very day we come into contact with one another is damning. You charged an absurdly low price for a service not many offer, failed it (probably not intentional as you then had to refund me). You lied many times during our conversation, stating that you've never had this issue with a customer. You just weren't truthful.

 

[freddyjbear96]

Hacked by [hacker]

 

[cickarful]

Scammer's profile link: cickarful
Explain the service: Infernal Cape
Amount scammed: 1.5B OSRS GP
Proof that it's their Discord: Imgur
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: can be seen in imgur
Proof that the service was not completed: Imgur
Other relevant trade screenshots: Imgur

I paid Cickarful and he failed my inferno. He went to bed, as did I, and I woke up to an empty bank. I was hesitant to accuse him as he has a huge rep profile but there were many reasons I ultimately did.

1) I Logged in on world 308 - the world I met him in on his alt to pay for the service initially the night before the scam
2) I was logged out in the EXACT spot I met his alt to pay for the service, the exact tile in lumbridge.
3) he did not provide the username of the alt that I traded when I asked - I asked as I was told by a Jagex Mod two accounts that I traded my entire bank to were banned and I wanted to check.
4) As he said himself, the only possibility was a teamviewer hijack. I installed teamviewer that night and only disclosed the password to him via discord. My authentication was never once removed.
5) I did not ever give him my OSRS password. However, it is extremely easy to get this once in teamviewer.
6) He soon after deleted me off discord, provided no evidence as to why it isn't him other than "not his style".

He has other reports against him which he never disclosed pre-trade, sasid he has never had capes removed but he has had that in the past.

1) u logged in on world 308 etc... doest it proof anything that u logged in 308w?
2) yeah exact tile... you remember tile, btw does that proof anything?
3) I didnt proof my username, dont want to show it here and get ban, Its my rwt acc.
4) where did I say that? show me, I didnt, I DIDNT KNOW UR RUNESCAPE PASSWORD. I was doing service via TEAMVIEWER, and u could be hacked by 100 way, for example the most likely is that u ordered training skill service and U DIDNT CHANGE UR PASSWORD

5) yes u didnt tell me your password, but if its easy, tell me how its easy to log in to your account via teamviewer if I dont know ur rs password, reveal it for us, so we all know
6) I already explained why I deleted u
7) I dont have any valid report, any single report where would be proved I scammed anyone, I NEVER SCAMMED ANYONE IN MY WHOLE HISTORY

there are reports yeah, but every single service provider have reports (if I would be scammer, I would be banned, no? makes sense?)

I refunded payment without single word after u got hacked, was trying to help you, was trying to find solution, find person who scammed u etc...

And now you came here and did this only because u dont know what to do and u are frustrated because of your loss

I'm not happy about your loss too. but that's how it is... I didnt do that

 

[cickarful]

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Worth mentioning you've had;

1) Previous reports here (2B bank reported stolen)
2) capes you performed removed (can provide evidence)
3) a trade with caution previously on sythe.

You can say it isn't your style, but the fact that I have never had an account breach in 3 years of using sythe and its services up until the very day we come into contact with one another is damning. You charged an absurdly low price for a service not many offer, failed it (probably not intentional as you then had to refund me). You lied many times during our conversation, stating that you've never had this issue with a customer. You just weren't truthful.

1) if someone is hacked because of my imposter and Its 0% my fault, am I scammer? are u serious?

2) yeah, doing infernal cape is risk, because jagex checks them, Im not responsible for any ban or cape removal, I have it stated in my rules

3) trade with caution because imposter scammed my customer (it was partualy my fault because I didnt send pm in proper form) am I scammer?

be serious please

I said I dont have any valid report ...

 

[freddyjbear96]

1) u logged in on world 308 etc... doest it proof anything that u logged in 308w?
2) yeah exact tile... you remember tile, btw does that proof anything?
3) I didnt proof my username, dont want to show it here and get ban, Its my rwt acc.
4) where did I say that? show me, I didnt, I DIDNT KNOW UR RUNESCAPE PASSWORD. I was doing service via TEAMVIEWER, and u could be hacked by 100 way, for example the most likely is that u ordered training skill service and U DIDNT CHANGE UR PASSWORD

5) yes u didnt tell me your password, but if its easy, tell me how its easy to log in to your account via teamviewer if I dont know ur rs password, reveal it for us, so we all know
6) I already explained why I deleted u
7) I dont have any valid report, any single report where would be proved I scammed anyone, I NEVER SCAMMED ANYONE IN MY WHOLE HISTORY

there are reports yeah, but every single service provider have reports (if I would be scammer, I would be banned, no? makes sense?)

I refunded payment without single word after u got hacked, was trying to help you, was trying to find solution, find person who scammed u etc...

And now you came here and did this only because u dont know what to do and u are frustrated because of your loss

I'm not happy about your loss too. but that's how it is... I didnt do that

The loss doesn't bother me at all. the reason I had a JMOD ban the accounts was purely because I dont want somebody profiting from me. You're not thinking about waht I am telling you. If you provide the necessary information to the mod of this website he can do the required checks too.

The tiles are extremely relevant actually. I have RWT'd a lot, I know exactly where to meet each person. I would recall easily the location of each player.

You really aren't understanding just how hard it is to prove. The people who had performed services for me had not done any in weeks (would need auth again, can also evidence this if required) and the password WAS changed numerous times since their services. Also helps that those two are big sythe accounts who I spoke to after this and evidenced they did not do this to me. You're the only person who has not.

As for method of accessing my information; all you would need to do is be actively in a session on teamviewer with any sort of key-stroke tracking software. Many TV users can attest to the simplicity of obtaining accounts once you're in. You say it yourself on the chat; only way this was possible is via TV.

 

[Azie]

@freddyjbear96 There isn't enough evidence to support your theory.

Did you order a skilling service and then forget to change your password?

 

[freddyjbear96]

@freddyjbear96 There isn't enough evidence to support your theory.

Did you order a skilling service and then forget to change your password?

No. I've changed it post-service many times. I've ordered from two trusted individuals here in the past - have a temp password that i'll set relating to them doing services but I change it afterwards. I believe I had a temp password during the service from Cickarful.

I must question the way in which anybody can EVER prove something outside of an obvious "pay and delete them after" situation. Its far too easy for a user to get away with something like this. Cickarful says himself in discord "it must be teamviewer". He was the only person I ever engaged on TV with. I infact installed it ten minutes before he started my service.

Its a shame that users are so capable of getting away with something pretty obvious but thats the risk of running a service rather than an exchange of goods. Thanks for your time, thankfully I had the accounts banned before he could sell my shit for GP. lets hope he doesnt forget to "feed his rabbit" and then ask for my TV details despite them being in the chat two minutes beforehand.

 

[freddyjbear96]

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No. I've changed it post-service many times. I've ordered from two trusted individuals here in the past - have a temp password that i'll set relating to them doing services but I change it afterwards. I believe I had a temp password during the service from Cickarful.

I must question the way in which anybody can EVER prove something outside of an obvious "pay and delete them after" situation. Its far too easy for a user to get away with something like this. Cickarful says himself in discord "it must be teamviewer". He was the only person I ever engaged on TV with. I infact installed it ten minutes before he started my service.

Its a shame that users are so capable of getting away with something pretty obvious but thats the risk of running a service rather than an exchange of goods. Thanks for your time, thankfully I had the accounts banned before he could sell my shit for GP. lets hope he doesnt forget to "feed his rabbit" and then ask for my TV details despite them being in the chat two minutes beforehand.

Wondering if he can provide you the name of the alt that traded me and his main and we can see what the Jmods think? suppose it wont happen though.

 

[cickarful]

No. I've changed it post-service many times. I've ordered from two trusted individuals here in the past - have a temp password that i'll set relating to them doing services but I change it afterwards. I believe I had a temp password during the service from Cickarful.

I must question the way in which anybody can EVER prove something outside of an obvious "pay and delete them after" situation. Its far too easy for a user to get away with something like this. Cickarful says himself in discord "it must be teamviewer". He was the only person I ever engaged on TV with. I infact installed it ten minutes before he started my service.

Its a shame that users are so capable of getting away with something pretty obvious but thats the risk of running a service rather than an exchange of goods. Thanks for your time, thankfully I had the accounts banned before he could sell my shit for GP. lets hope he doesnt forget to "feed his rabbit" and then ask for my TV details despite them being in the chat two minutes beforehand.

Why u lie? I posted screenshot of our conversation where u say u ordered skill training service and u didnt change ur password and now u did it many times? Be serious and dont lie please

 

[cickarful]

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Wondering if he can provide you the name of the alt that traded me and his main and we can see what the Jmods think? suppose it wont happen though.

Why I would have to reveal my main name? What If I dont have main at all? what are u talking about?

 

[freddyjbear96]

Why u lie? I posted screenshot of our conversation where u say u ordered skill training service and u didnt change ur password and now u did it many times? Be serious and dont lie please

Perhaps your piss-poor english is failing you. I use the same password when they perform a service for me. I set that same password when you did my cape for obvious reasons. The fact that everybody is ignoring the fact that these people could have scammed me at any point in the last 2 months but happened to wait until the very evening I get teamviewer and a failed cape service from yourself is really smart from them. 10000 IQ plays.

 

[freddyjbear96]

@Azie

thank you for your time. thank you for your verdict. I'll see you later on in the year when Cickarful again is reported and beats it, seems to be easy enough for him. You can lock the thread now, case is closed. I'll start building a new one about the extremely high-level intelligence the skilling guys displayed by waiting until I bought infernal cape before hacking me

 

[Azie]

@Azie

thank you for your time. thank you for your verdict. I'll see you later on in the year when Cickarful again is reported and beats it, seems to be easy enough for him. You can lock the thread now, case is closed. I'll start building a new one about the extremely high-level intelligence the skilling guys displayed by waiting until I bought infernal cape before hacking me

The issue is that it could have been those skillers who stole your wealth, it could have been cickarful or it could have been nobody.

You account security at the end of the day is your responsibility. If you manage to get any new information that can help feel free to PM me.

Otherwise sorry for your loss.