Reporting 'Grave'

[Shin]

Link to scammers profile:
http://www.sythe.org/member.php?u=163331

Amount scammed: $20.00 USD

Thread of agreement:
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=993847

Verdict:
http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=7816964&postcount=25
http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=7817007&postcount=29

Total amount to be paid: $153.00
(HossBoss ended up paying the remainder of what was owed.
I was shocked, but misclicked lateron in the wilderness to lose it all. Regardless, HossBoss paid his part of it.)

What happened to the money:

• $27 (Grave deducted for Microsoft Points that were used on his Gamertag from a year ago, when I was given permission to use them and was given the Gamertag initially as I was going to be buying his Xbox, but he later withdrew. He did, however, use my spending of the Microsoft Points as leverage and I decided to let him get away with it.. even though he NEVER wants the Gamertag back and doesn't even care about it. There's also 2,000+ Points still remaining on it that he doesn't care about.. so I'm not sure about this)
• $20 (Was given to me to get 20M back on RSC because Grave wouldn't accept a Santa back [I lost a Santa, but he wanted cash instead of my Santa]. I ended up losing 200M because I had no cash but only items. I got the 20M and was waiting for him, because I needed the $20 in order to pay the entire amount owed on the Laptop as my brother couldn't pay for it)
• $6 (Was sent as Goods & Services instead of a Gift because I needed $5.00 to help mother pay for some gas [if I recall correctly]. Marcell sent this through his PayPal as Grave was using it at the time.)
• $80 (Was sent instead of the $100 remaining as Grave said he wasn't going to accept the 20M now unless I bought him a membership pin, even though he had business for it and plenty of connections. Was just an excuse to get out of paying back more money that wasn't his. He said that I could submit a scammer report to resolve it if I wanted to.)

I sent a scammer report via PM to Tyro, as he was the one handling this after giving a final decision on the thread while working with FireZ. Tyro resigned the next day and I had already deleted the PM from my sent folder. I couldn't contact him, and he's now been banned from Sythe.

Proof of refusal to pay $20 shown below:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2ypgdjk.jpg

 

[Corey]

Posting on behalf of Grave.

1. You were given the gamertag to "borrow" strictly for the xbox live. You used the microsoft points without my permission. I could have easily filed a report against you at the time, but we were friends. You never purchased my Xbox. By the time I was ready to sell it, the new Xbox had come out and I did not want to rip you off at our agreed price, since you could get the new one for about $100 more. I had to end up creating a new gamertag, getting microsoft points on it, and getting xbox live, which cost me over $80 total. I never blamed you for this, but the microsoft points you used should be paid for. After all, you used it, not me, and you never paid the $50-ish dollars as a part of purchasing my Xbox for the account.
2. You never lost a Santa. I gave you 20M in-game a long, long time ago. You always borrowed money from me, and after over a year, you paid back a fraction of the money owed ($50).
3. $6 was sent as services because it is PayPal's policy to do so. You're not insisting I break PayPal policies just so you don't have to pay 50 cents of fees, are you? The $6 was also an act of kindness because I had to get my friend to send it for me since I had issues at the moment with PayPal.

What happened to HossBoss's money: Almost all, if not more than all, of the money I received from skill training was re-invested in skill training. I built a computer specifically for training and bought about a thousand dollars worth of bots. This is where the no-refund policy comes in, which HossBoss agreed to several times. He was supposed to give me an account to complete the training on, which he never did. I was then forced by Tyro to pay back MONEY for this, to a completely different person who happened to owe me money. I used this burden to get Alex to pay back what he owed, as he would not have paid it in any other way. This is evident since some of this dates back to a long time ago. All the money paid to Alex came out of my own pocket. Oh, and by the way, you should mention that this conversation took place over a month ago. I assumed you were fine with it for a month before you changed your mind, probably because you need money now.
You had over a year to pay back that 20M. The only moment you were interested in giving it back was when you got lucky with the HossBoss case, where I had to pay you cash for services I owed to him. The reason you got this in the first place is because I tried helping you out by forcing HossBoss to pay you back, even though you were in on it with him the entire time. I could have easily been a bad friend and completed the training for HossBoss and saved myself $153, but I did not. You tried to convince me several times to pay HossBoss directly for the sole reason of him paying you money. I even gave you more time to give me the 20M, but my membership ran out before you could do so. Why do you expect to pay me in the original method received when I had to pay you in another method than the agreement with HossBoss? In fact, I should be credited the money back from you, and you should receive it in training if we were to be completely fair on this matter. I would like another decision made on this if possible. I was fine with accepting 20M when you tried putting a stupid pricing on it. You quoted the price of the gold based on some random sale of bulk gold, and then when you wanted to trade RSC cash for RS2, you valued RSC cash at over $1 per million. I think it was fair to take out a $20 chunk out of your payment for the 20M owed to me.


Here's more information for those who wish to continue reading:
I'd like to take it all the way back to when this entire thing started for those who are interested. Alex and I met after arguing with eachother on a thread. We became good friends, possibly even best friends, but after Alex accused me of hacking his account, it went downhill. I tried to make it up to him by lending him membership for his account, and his debt built on from there. Our relationship turned into me being the banker. He never made an effort to pay me back, until he made a mere gift of $50 to pay for it all, even though it surpassed one or even two hundred dollars. I was tired of this, and I basically raged at him and our friendship was ruined. He didn't even really talk to me until the whole HossBoss incident came up, and his motives were to get as much money as he could from the situation.
The reason our friendship ended was Alex's attitude toward money. I'm not the only person to get screwed over by him. I know this isn't evidence, but here are two quotes I've gathered up:

He owes me 130$. I gave him a pure to get 85 slayer on my account and told him not to sell it until he did the slayer. He sold the pure for 130$ to pigbow and never did my slayer. Claiming I told him I did not want his services anymore but never provided any proof of me saying this.

I know Chriscross is a complete dumbass and should remain banned, as I am the one to get him banned, but I believe his words. I have purchased gold from him in the past month, and I trusted him with over $1000.

Alex and I go way back, he was a good friend and we had our differences, but it all went overboard when he took advantage of my wealth and made it his own. He borrowed 4 santas from me on RSC because he was winning stakes, but then lost them all and never gave them back.
Alex manipulates and steals from people and then lies and manipulates some more so he cant get into trouble.

I trusted Revy with over 2B on his account. I also believe his story, as we had a big discussion about it a few months ago.


In conclusion, after having to have waited over 2 years in some cases for you to pay me back, I think it's only fair that if I am forced to pay you the $20, I am given enough time to where I make my account a member out of my own will, so I can accept the 20M instead.

Alex, just leave me alone. You've already squeezed out what you could. It's not even about the money anymore, it's about you not getting free shit from people through your deceitful ways. I'd put down $200 right now to donate to Sythe, but I would never let you get away with stealing $20 from me.

 

[Shin]

1. You were given the gamertag to "borrow" strictly for the xbox live. You used the microsoft points without my permission. I could have easily filed a report against you at the time, but we were friends. You never purchased my Xbox. By the time I was ready to sell it, the new Xbox had come out and I did not want to rip you off at our agreed price

I was given the Gamertag because you included it in the purchase of the Xbox. I made a down payment of $50, but you were having problems with selling it because you didn't want it to go bad. It had nothing to do with the price, but you thought that it might break down or stop working. You gave me permission to spend the Microsoft Points. I asked you over MSN. I can say that you were somewhat held back in letting me, but you had me do it anyways. Lateron you told me to get on a site with the Gamertag too and purchase a game because it was on sale for only 20 MSP, and you thought I might have fun playing it.

You also said over MSN that you never wanted the Gamertag back and didn't care about it, because you have a new one. And the Gamertag still has over 2,000 MSP on it, which you care nothing about.

I didn't come here disputing that either, but simply because it was included in the agreement, and something that I allowed to be deducted from the payment because I was trying to be fair to you since it was such a large sum to be repaid.

2. You never lost a Santa. I gave you 20M in-game a long, long time ago. You always borrowed money from me, and after over a year, you paid back a fraction of the money owed ($50).

I believe that's actually true. I lost 20M, but I gave you a Santa back as repayment, as they were 20M at the time. You didn't want a Santa back, but you wanted repaid 20M. You gave me $20 to get this with, but I needed the money to help pay off the laptop or I was going to have to give it back. I only had items but no cash, so I decided to try and stake to get the 20M, because I didn't want to sell any of my items. I had made back all that I ever wanted, but ended up losing all of it and ending up with the 20M. You then decided that you didn't want it, and screw me out of it by saying that you wouldn't pay the remainder and I could dispute it as shown above.

3. $6 was sent as services because it is PayPal's policy to do so. You're not insisting I break PayPal policies just so you don't have to pay 50 cents of fees, are you? The $6 was also an act of kindness because I had to get my friend to send it for me since I had issues at the moment with PayPal.

I'm not insisting that at all. All I was stating was part of the payment. Just keep on trying to make me look bad.

I even gave you more time to give me the 20M, but my membership ran out before you could do so.

You rarely even brought this up, and it had nothing to do with membership.

Why do you expect to pay me in the original method received when I had to pay you in another method than the agreement with HossBoss? In fact, I should be credited the money back from you, and you should receive it in training if we were to be completely fair on this matter.

Because the Staff made the decision, and you had already invested the money in something else, whereas you didn't wish to have to pay any of it back.

I would like another decision made on this if possible. I was fine with accepting 20M when you tried putting a stupid pricing on it. You quoted the price of the gold based on some random sale of bulk gold, and then when you wanted to trade RSC cash for RS2, you valued RSC cash at over $1 per million. I think it was fair to take out a $20 chunk out of your payment for the 20M owed to me.

I never put the price on the gold. You were the one who did, as you were trying to find people that weren't well-known buyers/sellers or ones with an extremely low post count. You decided that $20 was a decent amount, as you were in some non-caring mood, and sent it. If you didn't think that it was fair, you would have sent another amount instead.

REGARDLESS.

Whether the mills are price at "this" amount or "that" amount, you would still have to pay back the SUM that was so ordered. And in the end, I'd still give you that 20M as a refund, as it has nothing to do with the situation. It's something that you wanted paid back, but doesn't even factor into this. If I would have purchased the gold from someone else, it would have then factored in, but I got the 20M myself. Therefore, it has nothing to do with the repayment.

He never made an effort to pay me back, until he made a mere gift of $50 to pay for it all, even though it surpassed one or even two hundred dollars. I was tired of this, and I basically raged at him and our friendship was ruined. He didn't even really talk to me until the whole HossBoss incident came up, and his motives were to get as much money as he could from the situation.

I love how you make it sound like nothing. A "mere" $50, but scamming $20? What is that, right?

Also, I ASKED you before I even sent it how much you thought I owed you. It was something like $45-$50, so I then played a joke on you saying that a payment you had sent me at one time got claimed back and I was freaking out to make you log on to your PayPal. You then did so and saw I had paid back the amount of $50 from which you said I had owed you. To say that such a payment exceeds $100 and even $200 is ridiculous. It never even got close to $100, yet alone $75, etc.

Originally Posted by Chris
He owes me 130$. I gave him a pure to get 85 slayer on my account and told him not to sell it until he did the slayer. He sold the pure for 130$ to pigbow and never did my slayer. Claiming I told him I did not want his services anymore but never provided any proof of me saying this.

Look here:
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=995411

He decided to make the thread after being pissed off of constant contacting me over MSN or LoL when I would log on and I wouldn't sell any accounts of his for him on Sythe. He was a banned member of Sythe, and I found it to be a possible violation of the rules of doing so, and I would also put myself at risk.

Originally Posted by Revy
Alex and I go way back, he was a good friend and we had our differences, but it all went overboard when he took advantage of my wealth and made it his own. He borrowed 4 santas from me on RSC because he was winning stakes, but then lost them all and never gave them back.
Alex manipulates and steals from people and then lies and manipulates some more so he cant get into trouble.

Revy's scammed me, he's hacked me, and he's tried to ruin my reputation anywhere I go ever since we've ever met. It most likely has something to do with Tyler Watkins as well, as he lived in my area, and he scammed people all the day. Although I didn't support his actions, there was nothing I could do about it, but had nothing to do with me.

Also, Revy and I were NEVER good friends. He NEVER let me borrow anything. Your post here is yet again trying to trash my reputation, and try to make it out that I'm a bad person that owes people hundreds of dollars in an attempt to get yourself out of a repayment once again.

I trusted Revy with over 2B on his account. I also believe his story, as we had a big discussion about it a few months ago.

I know Chriscross is a complete dumbass and should remain banned, as I am the one to get him banned, but I believe his words. I have purchased gold from him in the past month, and I trusted him with over $1000.

Both of these statements are irrelevant, and have no reason being posted here without proof. I could very well say things as well, such as "I've trusted Finn with over $5,000 in the last month in a trade I almost did." However, thing is there, people would know I'm lying about that, and if Finn saw it, he'd definately know. Revy and Chris may/may not be hard to contact, but if they were asked about the situation, they'd obviously back you up with or without proof.

In conclusion, after having to have waited over 2 years in some cases for you to pay me back, I think it's only fair that if I am forced to pay you the $20, I am given enough time to where I make my account a member out of my own will, so I can accept the 20M instead.

If it was over 2 years, then I would not have even paid you until October of 2010, because I didn't become active on Sythe until October of 2008. Where I hadn't even met you until months and months lateron. At the most you may have waited 6-10 months for a repayment, when not even asked, I finally had the funds available and decided to pay you back while I still had the opportunity.

If you are given enough time to get membership on your account, then why didn't you say just that instead of making an incredibly long post to try and trash my reputation? If you agree to a repayment once you get membership on your account?

If we were here to trash reputations, then I would start bringing up some complications that you were having within your own business, RSUltimate, by screwing over Hahanerd when you kicked him out. But why wouldn't I bring up such a thing? Perhaps it's because it's something I know nothing about.

Alex, just leave me alone. You've already squeezed out what you could. It's not even about the money anymore, it's about you not getting free shit from people through your deceitful ways. I'd put down $200 right now to donate to Sythe, but I would never let you get away with stealing $20 from me.

I didn't squeeze anything out of you. It was your decision whether or not to do things, not mine. And in the end, you were repaid (all except the 20M, which I've had waiting for you for months now - And no, you hadn't mentioned it in at least 6+ months). And I'm not one bit deceitful. I ask you a question or ask you for some help. You agree, and I'm being deceitful because you decided to try and help out? Or your just stingy about the entire situation even though I've tried to work with you?

I already told you when this whole situation rose up with HossBoss. I didn't like it, and I was sick and tired of it keep coming up. It was so ordered that you would have to pay back X amount, and I tried to work with you, where it then turned ugly because of your PayPal being locked and things continuing to drag on.

I'm not the one at fault. I've tried to help. I've tried to be your friend. But you always look at me as if I'm the devil. You keep becoming friends with the wrong group of people, but hope it won't affect you as it did the first time. We could make low blows all day about each others past, but it has no relevance here, and only wastes the Staff's time as they have to read such long, ridiculous stories.

 

[Corey]

Can one of you please explain the 20M/Santa situation from start to finish? I'm a little confused on what happened.

 

[Shin]

Can one of you please explain the 20M/Santa situation from start to finish? I'm a little confused on what happened.

Grave lent me 20M on RSC to stake with as he never played, and I was hoping to win so we would both have 20M. I ended up losing, and refunded him later by giving him a Santa. He then lent me the Santa lateron, in which I lost.

He was then trying to include this situation in the list of things he wanted back as well, which I have readily available on an account now after losing 200M worth of items to get it (probably would've been best to sell my items, but I didn't want to lose what I had always dreamed of having back).

In all, this 20M has nothing to do with this situation. I have the 20M on an account ready to give to him now for months, but he's trying to bull shit his way out of it.

 

[Corey]

Posting on behalf of Grave.

I was given the Gamertag because you included it in the purchase of the Xbox. I made a down payment of $50, but you were having problems with selling it because you didn't want it to go bad. It had nothing to do with the price, but you thought that it might break down or stop working. You gave me permission to spend the Microsoft Points. I asked you over MSN. I can say that you were somewhat held back in letting me, but you had me do it anyways. Lateron you told me to get on a site with the Gamertag too and purchase a game because it was on sale for only 20 MSP, and you thought I might have fun playing it.

You never made a down payment of $50. You sent that $50 as a gift, and had a little note with it or some shit. On MSN you told me it was for what was previously owed, even though you owed much more. The initial reasoning behind it was that I did not want it to break. The second reasoning was that the new Xbox had come out, and you wouldn't have bought it anyway unless I lowered the price. Don't lie about the microsoft points too. You asked me if you could buy some kind of pack, I said sure. After that you said a story about how you gave it to a friend or some shit and he spent it, and you bought some songs, etc. I also confirm that I told you about the 20MS points thing.

You also said over MSN that you never wanted the Gamertag back and didn't care about it, because you have a new one. And the Gamertag still has over 2,000 MSP on it, which you care nothing about.

Of course I didn't care about it when I bought $80 of shit on my new gamertag. That didn't mean you didn't owe me for the gamertag you took.

I believe that's actually true. I lost 20M, but I gave you a Santa back as repayment, as they were 20M at the time. You didn't want a Santa back, but you wanted repaid 20M. You gave me $20 to get this with, but I needed the money to help pay off the laptop or I was going to have to give it back. I only had items but no cash, so I decided to try and stake to get the 20M, because I didn't want to sell any of my items. I had made back all that I ever wanted, but ended up losing all of it and ending up with the 20M. You then decided that you didn't want it, and screw me out of it by saying that you wouldn't pay the remainder and I could dispute it as shown above.

No, that's not true. However, the next post you made is true.

Grave lent me 20M on RSC to stake with as he never played, and I was hoping to win so we would both have 20M. I ended up losing, and refunded him later by giving him a Santa. He then lent me the Santa lateron, in which I lost.

You rarely even brought this up, and it had nothing to do with membership.

I brought this up when I said you should make a dispute if you disagree. Go read. I didn't have membership, I didn't want to get membership out of my own money.

Your claim on everything is that I didn't want it anymore. That's not true. I just knew you wouldn't be able to pay it back so I never asked you to pay it back to maintain our friendship. Alex, you're still forgetting about all the memberships I got you, pokerstars money, and other shit. If I wanted to go look at my logs from the past several years, it's safe to say that you'd owe me a lot more than you do now.

Because the Staff made the decision, and you had already invested the money in something else, whereas you didn't wish to have to pay any of it back.

So I'm asking the staff to make a decision based on the previous decision. I was forced to pay someone else in a different method than originally agreed with the person I owed the money to, so I shouldn't have to be forced to get membership, which will run down at about $7 for me, to get 20M when I could get $20, which was of equal value at the time.

I never put the price on the gold. You were the one who did, as you were trying to find people that weren't well-known buyers/sellers or ones with an extremely low post count. You decided that $20 was a decent amount, as you were in some non-caring mood, and sent it. If you didn't think that it was fair, you would have sent another amount instead.

You did put a price on the gold.

This was your pricing of RSC gold when I told you to find the price of gold so you can pay me back in USD. You mentioned it was a lie when you wanted to trade RSC for RS2.

Alex: Mrr Matt... Guy who won 8B in a day from 90M
Alex: He said he sold all mills for $0.15 per
Alex: That was a lie.

This was your pricing of RSC gold when you wanted to trade RSC to RS2

Alex: Plznate's shop. Last posted on about 2~ months ago. He was selling at prices of $1.50/mil, and the thread has 15 pages.. :|

Your price multiplied by 10 when it was more beneficial on your end. I thought since two weeks ago you had mentioned the price was $1.50, it would be fair to count it as $1 per million.

I love how you make it sound like nothing. A "mere" $50, but scamming $20? What is that, right?

It's a mere $50 when it's a fraction of what I gave you.

Also, I ASKED you before I even sent it how much you thought I owed you. It was something like $45-$50, so I then played a joke on you saying that a payment you had sent me at one time got claimed back and I was freaking out to make you log on to your PayPal. You then did so and saw I had paid back the amount of $50 from which you said I had owed you. To say that such a payment exceeds $100 and even $200 is ridiculous. It never even got close to $100, yet alone $75, etc.

No you didn't. You sent the $50 as a surprise and never discussed it with me.

If it was over 2 years, then I would not have even paid you until October of 2010, because I didn't become active on Sythe until October of 2008. Where I hadn't even met you until months and months lateron. At the most you may have waited 6-10 months for a repayment, when not even asked, I finally had the funds available and decided to pay you back while I still had the opportunity.

Summer of 2009, when we were the best of friends, is almost two years away, good sir.

If we were here to trash reputations, then I would start bringing up some complications that you were having within your own business, RSUltimate, by screwing over Hahanerd when you kicked him out. But why wouldn't I bring up such a thing? Perhaps it's because it's something I know nothing about.

I'm not trashing your reputation. What I brought up had to do with the relationship of your friends vs. money. Also, Hahanerd skipped multiple shifts during the week, so I let him go.

I didn't squeeze anything out of you. It was your decision whether or not to do things, not mine. And in the end, you were repaid (all except the 20M, which I've had waiting for you for months now - And no, you hadn't mentioned it in at least 6+ months). And I'm not one bit deceitful. I ask you a question or ask you for some help. You agree, and I'm being deceitful because you decided to try and help out? Or your just stingy about the entire situation even though I've tried to work with you?

You never tried to work it with me. You only contacted me when you needed money. Just because I decide to bring up something owed to me a long time ago, you don't owe it to me anymore?


Short version that actually matters:

- Alex lied about making a $50 down payment. I'd like proof.
- Alex first said he gave me a Santa as repayment, but he didn't mention he lost the Santa too until later.
- Alex lied about not putting a price on the gold. He put two different prices on it, based on how it would benefit him.
- Alex still owes me money from other things, but I won't bring them up as I can't dig up proof at the time.
- Alex said he's had 20M ready on an account for months. He only had it for a month, because when I wanted it before that, he didn't have it.


Conclusion:
- Alex agreed that he owes me 20M on RSC
- Due to the decision made by Tyro, I owe Alex $20
- I no longer have a PayPal
- We need to discuss a way we can fairly pay eachother back


I have: Mail (minus shipping), WU (minus fees), RS2 Gold ($1/M would be fair), Google Checkout ($20)
I can also get membership on my account at an appropriate time. I just request that I am given the same amount of time Alex has had to pay me back the 20M since he's owed it to me. I also do not want to pay Alex back until I get my 20M RSGP, since he's owed it to me first.


What I would like:
Since Alex gave the most recent pricing of RSC gold as $1.50, I would like to just call it a deal the way it is. He received $20 less for 20M RSC gold he has owed me. When I had membership, he failed to give me the gold and insisted on paying cash instead. When I didn't have membership, he suddenly wanted to pay me back in gold. If it's fair for Tyro to make me pay $153 in training in cash to a completely different person, it should be fair for Alex to pay me back an equivelant amount, based on the conversation rate he gave me, in PayPal.

 

[Shin]

- Alex lied about making a $50 down payment. I'd like proof.

I didn't lie about this. If I could check the logs on a PayPal that's still locked for $16.00, or if I could bring them up. I'd show you. Now this turns into a he say she say affair for it was so long ago. I paid you $50 last year as a down payment on the Xbox, which you lateron REFUNDED to me because you were going to send the Xbox. Without the $50 payment, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN YOUR GAMERTAG. That is the reason you gave it. YOU WERE INCLUDING THE GAMERTAG IN THE PURCHASE OF THE XBOX.

Jesus christ.

- Alex first said he gave me a Santa as repayment, but he didn't mention he lost the Santa too until later.

I mentioned it. But I thought I had lost a Santa initially instead of 20M. Regardless, I agreed to losing an amount of up to 20M, which makes the Santa irrelevant.

- Alex lied about not putting a price on the gold. He put two different prices on it, based on how it would benefit him.

I didn't put the price on the gold. I told you to find a price for it because you were being so difficult. You were in a rush and decided to just send $20 instead, WHICH WOULDN'T MATTER ANYWAYS, because $20 was part of what you had to pay me anyways. The 20M was just something on the side, which I got myself, so it shouldn't even be included ONCE AGAIN.

I didn't make the price. I was citing things, and with the Mrr Matt for $0.15/mil, I said that it was a lie. I stated who actually sold the mills for him, and they were at a MUCH higher price. Trying to cite trusted sellers (R2P/Plznate), was where I was trying to find prices, but we couldn't agree, so you decided on something.. which.. doesn't matter.. because I got it myself.

- Alex still owes me money from other things, but I won't bring them up as I can't dig up proof at the time.

I don't owe you for ANYTHING else. You're yet again having a he say she say affair because you have nothing that you can cite. Once again, trying to trash my reputation. Just because I had owed you something in the past, you keep trying to stack shit on top of it, with no proof or recollection of any such events requiring a repayment.

- Alex said he's had 20M ready on an account for months. He only had it for a month, because when I wanted it before that, he didn't have it.

I had it for at least 5-6 months now. You hadn't asked me about it in at least a year, when I didn't have anything. I got back into RSC and made quite a bit of money, just to lose it all trying to get 20M to pay you. I could've lost a lot less. Yes. But that's not the point.

This 20M is irrelevant for the 40th time. I have it. You want it. Get online like I've said for months instead of avoiding it or trying to use it as leverage to get out of a payment.

- Alex agreed that he owes me 20M on RSC

Point being? Come get it.

- Due to the decision made by Tyro, I owe Alex $20

Indeed. But you felt scamming and making stories / citing past events was a better route when I felt this would also be a good time to settle anything else I might have owed you. But do we see anything else added? No. Do we see you trying to claim there's hundreds more? Of course. Bunch of bull shit.

- I no longer have a PayPal

What happened to it after you finally got it unlocked?

- We need to discuss a way we can fairly pay eachother back

But you'd rather drag on a 10-page story instead of just repaying it because you'd rather get out of it all.

I can also get membership on my account at an appropriate time. I just request that I am given the same amount of time Alex has had to pay me back the 20M since he's owed it to me. I also do not want to pay Alex back until I get my 20M RSGP, since he's owed it to me first.

Appropriate meaning? And I have no problem giving you that 20M. I never had the problem. YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT BACK.

If it's fair for Tyro to make me pay $153 in training in cash to a completely different person, it should be fair for Alex to pay me back an equivelant amount, based on the conversation rate he gave me, in PayPal.

Break it down to this so you understand.

You would owe me $40 still. I owed you 20M on RSC. You sent me $20 to get 20M RSC back. I got it myself. You didn't want it, still owed $20, and decided not to pay.

You would owe me $40 still. You would send me $40. I would give you the 20M I have as you owed the $40... which has no relevance to the situation unless I didn't have the RSC GP and you decided to pay for it yourself.

It has no relevance here, and now you're trying to scam me twice? In the end, you still owed "X" amount, I had 20M RSCGP for you, and there is no connection as I GOT IT MYSELF.

 

[KerokeroCola]

This is pathetic. It's not our job to deal with petty squabbles, and it looks like you two have the mother of all petty squabbles, as well as some backasswards ways of paying off debts.

As far as I'm concerned, this entire report is just one kid who thought he could bully the other kid, and the the other kid called his bluff and tattled to Mommy. That being said, you guys realize that you've typed up a masters thesis over a $20 dispute? Grow up, children; this is the real world. But anyway, it's my job to ensure that there is safe trading on Sythe, and so that's what I'm here to do. It looks like the 20m was lent by a friend, to a friend, as a completely off-site thing; since this trade was not documented whatsoever, I can't do anything about it. It seems to me as more of a thing you two need to work our personally rather than publicly here in the RaSc.


TL;DR: I am obligated to stick with the ex-admin and the ex-global moderator on the decision that Grave has to pay Unb4nn3d $153 in full, regardless of whatever pillow fights and slumber parties you two have had in the past. As far as I can see, Unb4nn3d claims Grave sent $133 in total and considered an old, old, old past debt as the remaining $20. I'm not going to accept that debt from a friend to a friend as payment because it's simply too backasswards. Sorry.

Unb4nn3d, file a new report in two days if he fails to pay you.