report for jaysue/don krypto/elite dm

[MVPun]

Scammer's profile link:
@Jaysue
@Don Krypto (report is mainly for jaysue as he is the admin tied to the incident and krypto has been the only one i've received any form of reply from but i've tagged him since they are co owners)
Amount scammed: 480m gp/ 960m gp + verac claw set
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID:
Jaysue#0001 134185489040146432
Krypto#1771 402953811313950722
Proof that it's their Discord: https://i.imgur.com/vFHkiNe.gif
Explanation of the trade:
on the 18/04/2022 one of their streamer ranks was streaming dms, this streamer is a big streamer on the osrs category known as vancouver07. vanc was looking for a verac claw set + 480m gp dm, the pot would have been around 1.2b. the 480m gp on vancs side was not his own gp it was in fact a "gift chuck" given by one of the co owners of the cc jaysue. i decide to call this dm, and when we run out due to a misclick on my end the first hit by me was a claw scratch of 25, he runs into safe zone straight away calling for a dq, now based on the rules rule 2 states that if you run/teleport away then it an instant loss. vanc thought that if you scratched it = a instant loss but that is not the case due to rule 9. His only argument is that apparently cus i claw speced him a 2nd time that's the new reason for the dq but that 2nd spec happened while he was already inside the safezone so based on that he broke the rules first and even if the 2nd spec was considered that means both of us made a mistake therefore at the very least a rematch should have occurred but i wasn't even given this option. the clip i have shows after that he kept double downing on the fact that the claw scratch was the dq reason then when someone in chat corrected him that is not the case he changed his dq reason to 2x claw spec which would have only been valid if he didn't run.

https://i.imgur.com/fE2qUyv.png - link to rules

20-30mins after this happened i pmed jaysue on discord asking what the dq reason was for as it was his money on the line and he was at the sidelines watching. 6hrs or so go by without a reply so i decide to open a report ticket with the discord ticket system they have. 3 days go by without a reply on the ticket i pm jaysue a 2nd time asking if i'm getting a reply as it had been 3 days and never got a reply again. krypto has his pms on friends only and friend reqs disabled so i had no way to pm him so the only option was to dm one of their managers/advisors who i guess told krypto as i finally received a reply in the ticket. he gives me his opinion and thinks vanc was in the right, i reply with my counter and after that he states i just got to wait for jaysue to have his input in this. krypto says on the 25/04/2022 to wait for jaysue reply as he is currently "under the weather" despite them being active enough to type in the discord. i then wake up at 26/04/2022 to find that the report ticket was close by one of his managers "love" with the reason being "np". now this doesn't make sense as the last message was krypto telling me to wait for jaysue's reply so there was no reason for the ticket to be closed. now i cba to open another report ticket on their discord as i have no idea when/if i'd get a reply so i've decided to open a report here so jaysue can respond here. to end:
1.close to 9 days since this happened i've yet to get a reply from jaysue in pms or the ticket system
2.vanc is still ranked and been allowed to do dms despite my report ticket and last i checked even started being in debt since the incident
3.no form of resolution has been made

How they scammed: dq loss when rules state it shouldn't have been, received no refund/winnings not even a rematch
Other relevant trade screenshots: if a mod can add me on discord i can show any proof needed

 

[Don Krypto]

Jaysue gift chucked "Vancouver07" the money, so he didn't wish to handle the report as he didn't want there to seem as if it was biased in any sort of way.

Releveant information :
1. Twitch Top right corner would be the fight in which is he referencing to.
2. https://i.imgur.com/0hwr9Z7.png (

1. 5.
   
   : is given to verified and active streamers. They're allowed to hold pots (we recommend ensuring the streamer is live). However in the event a incident occurs, these ranks are not ensured by the cc.

) information regarding our ranking system.

Bak****= Vancouver07
Je*** = Pogaa(Discord) / MVPun (Sythe) {Cannot be seen from clip as he wasn't in the cc. Only know his rsn from the report ticket he filed.}

I had stated in your ticket you were not in our CC at the time of your fight (shown in the CCTV clip above) so the fight was out of our jurisdiction.
If this had happened within the CC, you still dumped both special attacks which would nullify rule 9. Vancouver never ate or prayed while in safe. The fight was still live. (If someone goes into safe zone, the fight is still live until the safe zone timer runs out. One both parties are able to attack each other the fight is live until one dies or neither can attack.)

You also joined the discord the same day this occurred, which makes me believe you didn't actually know the rules until after this occurred. I retract this statement, this was the day he verified himself in the discord.

I suspect you were upset by the whole altercation (which is understandable) and having just read the rules are trying to lawyer your way to a refund or fault blame to Elite Dm.

I am sorry this situation occurred to you. However again, you were not in the clan chat at the time. We hold no jurisdiction or blame for fights that take place out of the clan chat. The streamer is who you should be directing your energy to.

 

[MVPun]

1. so now the reason for no reply has gone from them being sick to them not wanting to be biased at all? if that was the case all it takes is a single sentence stating this in either pms or the report ticket posted i never got this and the last message in the report ticket is you telling me to wait for jaysue to reply so now i've been made to wait for 9 days for a reply i was never going to receive?
2. and i told you that this is because i didn't know i wasn't in the cc since the last dm i did was on the original cc which got banned and found out about the dm from his stream. if this was so big of a issue, either vanc or jaysue who were present in game and could see if i was in or not could have told me and i could have joined in a second. instead vanv makes me join his disc to screenshare me showing my ring. sure the out of cc would be the case but since this happened with one of your streamer ranks (which is the highest rank you can get apart from middlemans) who advertise your cc by broadcasting themselves using it to 100s of peoples so how does this go out of your jurisdiction. on top of this the money put up on the otherside of the pot wasn't even the streamers but jaysue's who owns the cc with you.
3.(If someone goes into safe zone, the fight is still live until the safe zone timer runs out.) - there is 0 rule that states this and even if it did it would make 0 sense as rule 2 contradicts this. by this logic if someone ran into safezone they wouldn't be punished for breaking rule 2 the fight would continue and in the few secs of still being in combat you can't break anymore of the rules. so imagine there was no 2nd claw spec and instead i ate a food cus they ran into safe zone, you're telling me i'm meant to just sit there and let the other person get however many chances to kill me before he can't attack me and if i ate a food i'm gonna lose for breaking rule 1.
4.so we just making up lies now? i'd like to see your proof that shows i joined the discord on 18/04/2022, i've been in it since close to the beginging when yirru was still a mm and i'm even in your other discord that used to be the disc for the old dm cc that was ran by lavas before that dissolved and you rebranding that old discord your gp buying/selling disc.
5.i honestly could care less about the gp if i had lost it fairly, so ofc i'm upset when i feel like i got hoed out of my gp without even a chance of getting a rematch. ofc i'm gonna put blame to elite dm when this whole thing was handled poorly by your co owner especially when it involves someone that has the highest rank and in 9 days the only reply i've gotten is from someone that it didn't involve.
6.idk what the streamer could do when since this incident occurred they are in billions in debt now so they have 0 way of paying plus the fact the person is still ranked in your cc

 

[Don Krypto]

After the incident occurred, sounds handled the situation in-game. He told me you never pleaded that you were not going to use your 2nd spec. So between that and the fact you did indeed use both special attacks. That was the reason he ruled it a dq.

I won't reply any further unless required to do so by sythe staff. It's an imperfect system we were left with after the duel arena was removed. Myself and my staff team only try out best to make things are safe and fair as possible.

 

[MVPun]

Hard to plead something ingame when this is the first time i've even heard of this sounds guy, don't even know what the guys rsn is so clearly he didn't handle it ingame. I've just checked in disc to see who he is and see he is a mod, i've just checked the cctv vod and the only person that is ranked during this dm is jaysue so how could it have been handled in game by someone who wasn't even there? plus sounds gave 0 input in the report ticket so even if his ghost was there i received 0 replies from the 2 people that should have mediated it.

If it's meant to be fair then how does this ruling make any sense. the person i'm vsing has ran into safe zone calling for a dq so in their head they have already thought the dm is over and based on their misunderstanding of a claw scratch rule they think they have won. afterwards they realise the dq wasn't valid after someone corrects them of the rule, they get 0 punishment for breaking the rules and then move the goalposts so that their dq call can be validated. just based on this the fairest outcome should have been a simple rematch but i don't even get this and instead have to wait 9 days writing essays

 

@MVPun do you have a clip / recording of the fight from your end? I see the cctv clip, but if you have your own that'd be preferred. As for the rules of the 'dm' i would need to see what was agreed upon before entering the DM. If @MVPun was not apart of the clan cc discord upon entering the DM and or the streamer was not acting on behalf of the clan cc then I would need to know what rules were in effect. If either of you could send me proof that you were/ not apart of the clan cc that'd be a good start, ty

 

i'm going to be closing this thread for now due to op not having enough... the person he was fighting may possibly be the only one with the recording, but he's on vacation. though-
1. the OP should have been recording the fight for his protection, as mentioned in the server's guidelines. this would have been the same for renting a staker if it were still a thing
2. the op scratched + clawed twice, once in wildy, 2nd in safe - though this could be considered a DQ, the person he was fighting ran to safe before the second claw spec went off - it's hard to say why the guy he was fighting ran to safe, but according to the DM rules set in the server, if a misclick into safe happens the person can go back in, but the op decided to dump his specs which would DQ him.
there isn't really much we can do here without proper video/ logs of the agreed rules, the fight, and the after math. all i have to work with his what you're telling me in discord @MVPun . If you do have something else to provide, other than what you've already given me please let me know.