Regarding Viou's Ban

[SuF]

Viou's case is different from the other cases. He both bought stolen gold and sold it for stolen money. He also offered to explain how this is done to the general population. The staff can not permit this as the reputation of the site is at risk and we must act to protect our members. No ban is ever set in stone and his case may be reconsidered at a later time. He may also request a pardon.

The staff is using it's best judgement to handle these cases in a fair and practical way in order to maintain the safety of our members and to give our sellers a chance to ensure that they are not committing fraud.

 

[blazee]

The thing about Viou's ban is most of the members weren't aware of the full ban reason. I assure you most us thought that he just knowingly bought hacked/scammed gold.

I created this thread: http://www.sythe.org/community-input/1540067-do-you-agree-vious-ban.html

With my first post saying "Once a moderator confirms his FULL ban reason, I will post my opinion and would like to hear other peoples opinon".

Most of the users that posted along with myself wanted to know the full ban reason. After viewing a few more threads I agree with the ban reason completely but I think the community needed to be aware of the ban reasons straight aware to prevent people jumping to conclusions.

Thanks for clearing it up SuF.

 

[Elena]

Thank you for taking the time to clear this up for people whom may have still had questions about it.

 

[Punjabi3]

Thanks for clearing it up. If he was moving gold in that manner then he deserves the punishment but the disrespect shown in his disputes and pardon is not deserved. I would have expected staff to have kept a professional manner through the situation and posted in a similar manner but this was not the case. The whole situation felt like an example was being made and Sythe.org staff should uphold the reputation they are known to hold even where people have made a mistake.

I'm rambling on though, thanks SuF for clearing up the ban reason between Viou's wall of text and the mediocre responses it was hard to figure out why he was actually kept banned.

 

[Sythe]

Thanks for clearing it up. If he was moving gold in that manner then he deserves the punishment but the disrespect shown in his disputes and pardon is not deserved. I would have expected staff to have kept a professional manner through the situation and posted in a similar manner but this was not the case. The whole situation felt like an example was being made and Sythe.org staff should uphold the reputation they are known to hold even where people have made a mistake.

How about the disrespect shown to sythe staff while they have been trying to maintain the thin thread of civility that runs through this market?

Viou and his numerous supporters (many of whom are banned scammers) have been hammering us non-stop for days over his banning. Viou also tried to post an excuse thread (or several, I've lost track) where he tried to spin what he said in order to be unbanned.

We are not required to be respectful to scammers or their supporters. Hell, we're not required to be respectful to anyone -- least of all to those who do not respect us.

Many users have taken to treating this like some sort of democratic government. It's nothing of the sort. Sythe.org is a private club -- my private club -- and if you don't like it you can get out.

 

[Punjabi3]

How about the disrespect shown to sythe staff while they have been trying to maintain the thin thread of civility that runs through this market?

Viou and his numerous supporters (many of whom are banned scammers) have been hammering us non-stop for days over his banning. Viou also tried to post an excuse thread (or several, I've lost track) where he tried to spin what he said in order to be unbanned.

We are not required to be respectful to scammers or their supporters. Hell, we're not required to be respectful to anyone -- least of all to those who do not respect us.

Viou was never involved in any of these threads apart from his disputes and high pardon, he did not contribute to any of those posts you are speaking of. By taking a look at Viou's dispute he showed nothing but respect, even after you called him a stupid man, he responded with a respectful post which was followed by a "fucking veto." Those members you have been hammering are going to spring up over any issue and those are the members who continuously want Sythe to fall. Those members are not going to go away but punishing members for the actions of others is wrong. I understand you are not required to be respectful to scammers or anyone but people follow the way staff lead because they believe that is how they will become staff, if nothing but disrespect is shown then you are promoting a disrespectful attitude but then punishing for that disrespectful attitude. There was no reason for FireZ to add "Fucking" to his veto or for you to call Viou a stupid man because your point could have been made without it.

Many users have taken to treating this like some sort of democratic government. It's nothing of the sort. Sythe.org is a private club -- my private club -- and if you don't like it you can get out.

I didn't see this edit but it has been made clear this is not a democratic government, the ruling structure on this forum is a mixture of different governments. It is your private club but you've always kept a professional manner in the past, I am not sure what occurred recently but that professional reputation has been deteriorating and if this is the new standard being set it will be the standard people follow on this forum.

 

[Sythe]

Viou was never involved in any of these threads apart from his disputes and high pardon, he did not contribute to any of those posts you are speaking of. By taking a look at Viou's dispute he showed nothing but respect, even after you called him a stupid man, he responded with a respectful post which was followed by a "fucking veto." Those members you have been hammering are going to spring up over any issue and those are the members who continuously want Sythe to fall. Those members are not going to go away but punishing members for the actions of others is wrong. I understand you are not required to be respectful to scammers or anyone but people follow the way staff lead because they believe that is how they will become staff, if nothing but disrespect is shown then you are promoting a disrespectful attitude but then punishing for that disrespectful attitude. There was no reason for FireZ to add "Fucking" to his veto or for you to call Viou a stupid man because your point could have been made without it.

Perhaps the level of insult Viou was offering has escaped you. Let me shed some light on it;

If you come to us and admit you are a scammer, and then offer to sell a guide to the public on how to scam, and we ban you, then this is one thing. But to then post a pardon/dispute and attempt to spin the whole situation and pull the wool over our eyes and assume we are really that thick and that we'd unban you because you can twist your words... That is a grave insult.

I think the responses were appropriate. I certainly wouldn't take any of them back. And furthermore, I don't care that you do not think they were appropriate. As I've already said, for people who do not like how the staff operate -- or that we are human beings with feelings -- there are a myriad of other blackmarkets you can frequent all of whom I'm sure have much higher standards of staff behaviour and rule compliance.

Good day.

 

[S]

Can't remember myself, does anyone have the link to where Viou states he helped Lebenfire funnel funds through PA by selling him gold, after knowing they were frauded funds?