Market manipulation by RSgoldmarkt (Suspicion)

Also why is RSgoldmarkt banned? This shouldn't result in even a temp ban?


Something's up - I noticed that people are vouching on both of these threads in order to get their bumps- but was shot down but superfluous as being an honest mistake. I do not believe this is the case.
http://gyazo.com/16f42eb0cbbed61a63202911bc90998c

Please refer to here:

http://www.sythe.org/oldschool-rune...eapest-07-pp-mb-btc-cc-psc-ideal-more-65.html

Notice several posts thanking "linked" for a trade...why are they bumping rsmarkt's thread? This cannot be coincidence

http://gyazo.com/659fba6d873516ac51c5dcce91aa5a39
http://gyazo.com/f80df8bcd6ae827a9223dbbbc4a67080

They are basically colluding by making a new domain in order to get more exposure for their site. This is unfair business practices and the chinese were warned to refrain from doing this.

Please either infract or tell them to stop. It's unfair!

 

Thanks for following up with this; I didn't remove the post in your first pic since I thought he just vouched on the wrong seller's thread (happens occasionally). But for it to happen so many times definitely sounds fishy to me... keep us posted Cas <3

 

New information has come to light:

Linked works for Kaii. Should this be allowed? How are we sure that Kaii doesn't fund Linked's site? The chinese did this same practice, but with unique sites. These sites are all basically the same.

Precedence: http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1770655-ban-these-guys-once-all.html

As you can see in this report, all the sites are DIFFERENT domains, just same livechat which infers that they are owned by one entity.



What difference is this ? Since linked works on 2 livechats, wouldn't this be exactly the same?

Also, on a separate note - another thing that worries me is the fact these sites all belong to MMORPG. Not only are they all similar in composition, they all send payments to one party (DDIS). If the chinese did this, they would no doubt be told to stop. Since the website are owned by ONE party and payments are all received by one party isn't the entire DDIS network one entity? Shouldn't this mean they can only have 1 thread on sythe? If this is allowed why can't I just create a bunch of websites and then flood the forums? It's not like their sites are very unique, it's just basically a different skin and domain name? What's stopping people from making 10 sites, enabling them to rotate their bumps to maintain maximum exposure?

Just a thought.

So what I am trying to clarify is whether a live chat worker can own their own site ( not only is this a direct conflict of interest, but also an unfair way to gain exposure) as you mods most likely have had experience trading, downtime in our market is rather common. By working livechat and owning your own site, you can minimize this downtime, at the expense of other market participants.

Another rule I want to clarify is whether one entity can sponsor multiple threads on sythe. DDIS has taken a significant amount of thread space, while receiving payments to one entity. Is this fair? Should we allow large organizations to flood our market? DDIS basically employs each website operator as an independent contractor - thus the site operators are agents of DDIS. This means they are part of the DDIS entity and should not be allowed to make multiple threads for DDIS as DDIS is making money off each one of these sites.

 

Lmfao now you're stretching it dude.. Yes it's a conflict of interest to run a live chat and own a different site but the fact MMorpg supplies these guys sites to run doesn't mean they should all share the same thread how the fuck does that make sense? DDiS provides them with sites in exchange for money he doesn't provide them workers ect so it's entirely different. That's like saying wow there's three clothing stores in the same mall and guess what they all pay RENT !!! Yes money is all going to the same person but it's for an entirely different service (webhosting/providing a site) he's not the one running the site or selling the gold.

 

Maybe I am - but then what's stopping the Chinese from creating a bunch of websites and using different workers on each? The only way you can prove that they are owned by one company is if the payments are going to one paypal, which in this case they are.

Since the money never actually goes from CUSTOMER to SITE OPERATOR, DDIS should be considered the "seller." The site operator (in this case kaii) would be merely the supplier of DDIS. If this is the case DDIS has multiple sites on sythe which is not allowed.

Since the sites are also extremely in likeness in site structure, this can cause confusion among the customer base - giving each site operator a sense of trust since they belong to the collective DDIS organization. I'm asking you to look at this from an unbiased viewpoint, please stay professional in judging this and treat this issue as if MMORPG hasn't built relationships with all of you guys. I don't think you'd be so quick to defend if the Chinese sites had this same practice..

 

I actually don't know MMORPG to be honest I'll look into the practice. The point where I'd get worried is if MMORPG's profit depended on the successfulness of the persons site because then there's a real conflict of interest there. The group trust issue is also something to be taken into consideration but at the same time people do need to realize that there's people that try and hide behind things like that to appear most honest as a company. This occurs in real life too.

 

I'm not attacking anyone's business FYI, I just want clarification of the rules on both issues

 

MMORPG makes a flat 300$/month for renting the site. They also charge a further 7.5% of each order. That makes them more profit by having more threads on sythe.

 

They are providing a service to Gold Sellers. Paypal is providing a service to sellers too. Should we apply the same logic to them?

MMORPG does not operate these gold sites. His company does not process / provide customer support / delivery to any of these sites. He does not have any ownership in the companies. His company simply provides them a service.

The Chinese sites we have targeted with thread closures were literally the same company. They had the same live chat / employees / site ownership. That warrants a thread closure.

As for Linked "working" for Kai, and running his own shop with its own thread, that is definitely worth looking into. I will do some investigating on the issue.

 

The money goes straight from the buyer to MMORPG. MMORPG reimburses the site operator for gold provided. This means MMORPG is the seller. MMORPG owns the site content and domain name - I believe DDIS is actually the seller in this case.. if anything the site operators are merely contractors for DDIS. Anyways, we're straying from the true purpose of this report - whether or not linked can work at Kaii and still have his own site.

In my opinion the DDIS network is unfair, since they gain by having more sites on sythe through increased commissions on orders, but hey, if you're okay with that I guess it's fine.

 

Once again, when someone pays with Paypal, the money goes into PayPal's bank account, and then is remitted to the seller when or if they withdraw. You have done nothing to distinguish between these two services. Processing payments for a gold shop is certainly not equivalent to running / operating those shops.

Your opinion is noted, but we will not be taking action against sites using DDIS services in their shops. Please stop bringing this up. As for Linked working for Kaii, this is a huge conflict of interest for Kaii, and will likely be disallowed if Kaii manages to get unbanned. People should not be working for multiple shops on Sythe, because it misleads customers and opens way too many doors for abuse.