Reform to the Xbox Account Section

Raptor lx · Mar 11, 2013

Hey guys, I'm quite active in the xbox accounts section, as I buy and sell gamertags on other sites. I use other sites due to Sythe's incredibly low amount of activity in the xbox accounts section. The main reason I could see for this, besides Sythe being primarily based around Runescape, is the rules surrounding the Xbox Account Section. I think that several changes to these rules need to take place. Firstly, it should not be mandatory to include proof that you own a tag in the OP, and the ability to censor one letter of the tag in the OP should be allowed.

Microsoft has been known to lurk forums and ban tags that have been put up for sale, and as such, members such as myself/TheBomb (whom is active on another site I am also a part of) are reluctant to post threads here of our high value tags, as we run the risk of getting them banned. I instead propose that we merely be required to PM picture proof, the kind of which is currently required in all xbox threads, to a moderator of the xbox section, and this be sufficient proof.

The second reform I suggest is that any accounts being sold with the key selling point either being that it has a GameBattles ranking or DLC/stats is required to have picture proof of these stats/rankings, but it is not required to have picture proof of the uncensored gamertag in the OP itself, and this could be sent to an appropriate moderator. I could list two other websites that adhere to these two changes that I propose (I won't due to offsite advertising) and their xbox section is LITERALLY around 20-30x more active, if not more.

Please post below with your opinions, but I do ask, that if you don't understand how gamertag trading works, don't post saying things like "This would lead to more scams" when it really wouldn't, as proof would still be required. If, over time, this led to more interest in the xbox side of Sythe and more moderators were required (unlikely to have such a large effect on what is primarily a Runescape oriented site) then perhaps more staff would be necessary, but that is not the purpose of this suggestion. Thank you.

szskateman22 · Mar 11, 2013

I think that I would have to agree with you on a few points in this. Microsoft is an asinine group of troll-fed inbreeds who sit for hours lurking other websites to find something to ban/remove/disable just to claim that you were doing something bad.

It would make much more sense to get this all approved by moderators or Official XBox Verifiers but in reality, how many are online to verify at any given hour of the day?

If you would like this to be a reality, it might be easier if you could provide a small team of people (that the moderators could back) with a decent number of vouches that would be able to approve them at any time of the day. This would also cut down on work for the moderators, who could attend to other duties instead.

As for the second part, with rankings and everything else I feel like it should be provided as well. There needs to be some sort of proofing for it (just like Major League Gaming/CEVO/CAL/LoL/etc. rankings are proof-provided). In other words, you would have my support assuming that there are official XBox Verifiers, but for now I can only lend partial-support.

Raptor lx · Mar 11, 2013

szskateman22 said:
I think that I would have to agree with you on a few points in this. Microsoft is an asinine group of troll-fed inbreeds who sit for hours lurking other websites to find something to ban/remove/disable just to claim that you were doing something bad.

It would make much more sense to get this all approved by moderators or Official XBox Verifiers but in reality, how many are online to verify at any given hour of the day?

If you would like this to be a reality, it might be easier if you could provide a small team of people (that the moderators could back) with a decent number of vouches that would be able to approve them at any time of the day. This would also cut down on work for the moderators, who could attend to other duties instead.

As for the second part, with rankings and everything else I feel like it should be provided as well. There needs to be some sort of proofing for it (just like Major League Baking/CEVO/CAL/LoL/etc. rankings are proof-provided). In other words, you would have my support assuming that there are official XBox Verifiers, but for now I can only lend partial-support.

I understand what you're saying, but when we had the OGVs they failed massively. I don't think vouches would be all that important if we did have verifiers, as I guarantee I'm in the top 1-2 active sythe members when it comes to prior knowledge and experience of xbox account trades, especially high value trades. My personal gamertag is worth around $450, if not more, plus I have around $550 in other gamertags I'm currently selling. I know the market for gamertags more than people like Jack Goff, regardless of the difference in our vouch counts.

Raptor lx · Mar 11, 2013

Bump, really want this approved.

isuckathalo1 · Mar 11, 2013

Not really going to support this. The xbox market is kinda the red headed step child of sythe.org. As there is no moderator dedicated to just the xbox section and only market mods looking over it it does not get very much mod attention unless a post/thread is reported. I vaguely remember them adding the rule to the account sales. So what you are suggesting is that people would need to pm proof of their GT to one of the market mods who (no offense) really do not visit/know a lot about the xbox market? Seems like a waste of time to me. If your worried about MS seeing your account being sold and banning it then i would not recommend selling it here. When there are super rare tags for sale most people PM DJ to get him to verify they own it so they do not have to post proof of it on the thread. Would make more sense to get a dedicated Mod for the Xbox market like they have with the WoW or runescape market.

will send DJ a PM and direct him here to state why the rule was put into place.

Raptor lx · Mar 12, 2013

isuckathalo1 said:
Not really going to support this. The xbox market is kinda the red headed step child of sythe.org. As there is no moderator dedicated to just the xbox section and only market mods looking over it it does not get very much mod attention unless a post/thread is reported. I vaguely remember them adding the rule to the account sales. So what you are suggesting is that people would need to pm proof of their GT to one of the market mods who (no offense) really do not visit/know a lot about the xbox market? Seems like a waste of time to me. If your worried about MS seeing your account being sold and banning it then i would not recommend selling it here. When there are super rare tags for sale most people PM DJ to get him to verify they own it so they do not have to post proof of it on the thread. Would make more sense to get a dedicated Mod for the Xbox market like they have with the WoW or runescape market.

will send DJ a PM and direct him here to state why the rule was put into place.

Then get a dedicated mod for the xbox area of Sythe. I do agree at the moment that the only threads resulting in a lock or infraction are due to either yourself or myself. I think that there needs to be an overhaul - the current activity in that section is abysmal, and being told to sell tags offsite if they have any real value is a little ridiculous.

isuckathalo1 · Mar 12, 2013

Raptor lx said:
Then get a dedicated mod for the xbox area of Sythe. I do agree at the moment that the only threads resulting in a lock or infraction are due to either yourself or myself. I think that there needs to be an overhaul - the current activity in that section is abysmal, and being told to sell tags offsite if they have any real value is a little ridiculous.

I agree that there should be at least 1 dedicated xbox section mod. But i do not think it will happen. And before people say that we are slamming the market mods or DJ we're not. I understand that DJ has been busy lately and market mods have more things to do in the other markets. But i don't really ever see any mod activity in the xbox market unless someone reports a thread.

szskateman22 · Mar 12, 2013

isuckathalo1 said:
I agree that there should be at least 1 dedicated xbox section mod. But i do not think it will happen. And before people say that we are slamming the market mods or DJ we're not. I understand that DJ has been busy lately and market mods have more things to do in the other markets. But i don't really ever see any mod activity in the xbox market unless someone reports a thread.

The same could be said in the Steam, LoL, and RL market places. I can't exactly get into details about it at this time since I have ~5 minutes before I have to leave for work, but there are a few markets left untouched for extended periods of time.

Raptor lx · Mar 13, 2013

szskateman22 said:
The same could be said in the Steam, LoL, and RL market places. I can't exactly get into details about it at this time since I have ~5 minutes before I have to leave for work, but there are a few markets left untouched for extended periods of time.

Then I'd love for somebody to come up with a way to revive them. Steam/RL markets are deadish on more forum sites, so they're not a really good example - not many people trade in these areas period. Gamertags on the other hand, are an incredibly lucrative trade, and they garner a lot of interest. I'd love to have the opinions of a staff member or two in here please.

Emperor Nero · Mar 13, 2013

I don't see the GT section as being really active. It get's maybe a handful of posts per day and isn't really a market specialization for Sythe. So I don't see justification for a mod, and again I agree with Halo, you don't have to see them here. DJ is really the only mod I have seen active in the xbox section and I don't know if he'd have the time to go through and verify people's GTs.

isuckathalo1 · Mar 13, 2013

Emperor_Nero said:
I don't see the GT section as being really active. It get's maybe a handful of posts per day and isn't really a market specialization for Sythe. So I don't see justification for a mod, and again I agree with Halo, you don't have to see them here. DJ is really the only mod I have seen active in the xbox section and I don't know if he'd have the time to go through and verify people's GTs.

ya there is no way DJ could verify every ones GT as i know he is busy plus he is a Global. So he has more important things to do than verify GTs. I do think that between the xbox accounts,MSP and live time, MIsc. sales, PS3 sales, there is enough there for a mod to keep busy. Actually a lot there for a mod to keep busy if they wanted.

djweasel · Mar 13, 2013

As halo has said that I have been busy and lately sick. Now I have made exceptions about gamertags. I have no problem having people pm me to verify they own a tag.

I have been involved basically in the Xbox section since I started in 2008. I paved the way to bring the section out as its own to it getting 3 sections. I have changed some rules example of one is no longer requiring proof on xbl cards. I strongly want proof for accounts since some people with oG accounts may not want to share the proof. They still are required to prove it to myself or another mod. The rule is in place to help prevent scamming. If I said I had the Gamertag Kitten, and I refuse proof. No one will buy it now until they see proof or its verified by me. I didn't make the rule I thought it was Gohan along with that there are minimal Xbox using mods. Before myself there really wasn't any mods who even knew much about it. With that I also take it upon myself to try take care of the Xbox section

Here's the deal, your not gonna get your Xbox forum mod. I agree there should be one since there is a wow and gfxs mods. With that I try to do as much as I can for the Xbox section. Add my Skype if you want to talk more about things. I also will talk to halo since he and I have a history. Now if people want to have me verify them I can but I use my iPhone now all the time to access sythe again and work longer hours. I I can't keep up ill do what I did in the Steam section. Find a few people I trust and allow them to verify gamertags. This will be seperate from verifying lobbies, they would just make sure the account is the persons they say.

Nerfed · Mar 13, 2013

djweasel said:
As halo has said that I have been busy and lately sick. Now I have made exceptions about gamertags. I have no problem having people pm me to verify they own a tag.

I have been involved basically in the Xbox section since I started in 2008. I paved the way to bring the section out as its own to it getting 3 sections. I have changed some rules example of one is no longer requiring proof on xbl cards. I strongly want proof for accounts since some people with oG accounts may not want to share the proof. They still are required to prove it to myself or another mod. The rule is in place to help prevent scamming. If I said I had the Gamertag Kitten, and I refuse proof. No one will buy it now until they see proof or its verified by me. I didn't make the rule I thought it was Gohan along with that there are minimal Xbox using mods. Before myself there really wasn't any mods who even knew much about it. With that I also take it upon myself to try take care of the Xbox section

Here's the deal, your not gonna get your Xbox forum mod. I agree there should be one since there is a wow and gfxs mods. With that I try to do as much as I can for the Xbox section. Add my Skype if you want to talk more about things. I also will talk to halo since he and I have a history. Now if people want to have me verify them I can but I use my iPhone now all the time to access sythe again and work longer hours. I I can't keep up ill do what I did in the Steam section. Find a few people I trust and allow them to verify gamertags. This will be seperate from verifying lobbies, they would just make sure the account is the persons they say.

Sounds good to me as long as they can be verified then there shouldnt be a problem. I do agree there should br a moderator tho hell look at RS, but meh thats in the years
To come ... anyways good update DJ

OT: hell ye u can keep up nigga u lost my # or sum

djweasel · Mar 13, 2013

Nerfed said:
Sounds good to me as long as they can be verified then there shouldnt be a problem. I do agree there should br a moderator tho hell look at RS, but meh thats in the years
To come ... anyways good update DJ

OT: hell ye u can keep up nigga u lost my # or sum

thanks dog....I got ot;.

Raptor lx · Mar 14, 2013

djweasel said:
As halo has said that I have been busy and lately sick. Now I have made exceptions about gamertags. I have no problem having people pm me to verify they own a tag.

I have been involved basically in the Xbox section since I started in 2008. I paved the way to bring the section out as its own to it getting 3 sections. I have changed some rules example of one is no longer requiring proof on xbl cards. I strongly want proof for accounts since some people with oG accounts may not want to share the proof. They still are required to prove it to myself or another mod. The rule is in place to help prevent scamming. If I said I had the Gamertag Kitten, and I refuse proof. No one will buy it now until they see proof or its verified by me. I didn't make the rule I thought it was Gohan along with that there are minimal Xbox using mods. Before myself there really wasn't any mods who even knew much about it. With that I also take it upon myself to try take care of the Xbox section

Here's the deal, your not gonna get your Xbox forum mod. I agree there should be one since there is a wow and gfxs mods. With that I try to do as much as I can for the Xbox section. Add my Skype if you want to talk more about things. I also will talk to halo since he and I have a history. Now if people want to have me verify them I can but I use my iPhone now all the time to access sythe again and work longer hours. I I can't keep up ill do what I did in the Steam section. Find a few people I trust and allow them to verify gamertags. This will be seperate from verifying lobbies, they would just make sure the account is the persons they say.

I'm happy to verify gamertags, and to provide any advice people may need on V1 Gamertags/spaced tags/FNC'd tags and whatnot. My knowledge in this area is extensive, and if it means that there is no direct requirement for the uncensored tag and proof to be posted on the thread, I'd be glad to do this job with somebody else, like isuck perhaps.

djweasel · Mar 15, 2013

Raptor lx said:
I'm happy to verify gamertags, and to provide any advice people may need on V1 Gamertags/spaced tags/FNC'd tags and whatnot. My knowledge in this area is extensive, and if it means that there is no direct requirement for the uncensored tag and proof to be posted on the thread, I'd be glad to do this job with somebody else, like isuck perhaps.

I have not said who will be allowed to verify tags. To me, it seems you jumped the gun that I would allow you to and it seems you don't think my knowledge on the subject is there. I've been the reason the Xbox section has went from minimal activity 4 years ago to now having its own sections. Also I have been talkin to Microsoft about things too.

When it comes down to it, if I can't keep it up I will decide I a few people and put it in the rules. My trust is hard to earn. I've been done wrong by close friends on here in the Xbox section. Mainly if you want to help I'd suggest speaking to me more like isuckathalo since I have a long history with him over the years.