Reform the "Right to Vanish" policy

You know very well posts in a locked thread or quotes from a banned / inactive / refuses to that have quoted you can't be deleted by the user, a staff member would have to make the change.

The problem with letting people "auto-hide" is wanting to vanish because they have a shady past. What is being proposed is requests to "vanish" are reviewed by staff and then acted upon.

And very easy for you to say you can't see why this is needed, you joined in 2010 and have 13 posts... seems to be a case of "it doesn't affect me so I see no point in this" to be honest.

 

Then the simplest solution would be to afford anybody the right to be forgotten. If you've made the posts then they're staying.

What I'd suggested is that the posts are removed from public view, but staff still have access to them, if any situations of scamming/shady behaviour arose they'd still have the evidence there.

Could also stipulate that people are only able to have the right to be forgotten if they've never been issued a TWC / scammed somebody before.

Not really, I'd not post anything I'd not want anyone to view in years to come? Regardless of age, everybody knows how to act like a decent human being.

Whilst yes, I am new to sythe, I've been a member of other forum boards for years and this issue has arisen/died down - it's the same.

 

This sounds ideal to me too. Let people be able to always remove anything anytime from public view, but it's still easily accessible to staff.

Is there an issue with that?

 

You already can: delete your post(s). What people are asking for already exists; if you want to remove your posts, why should staff have to do it for you?

 

You cant remove/delete locked thread posts and quoted posts. That's what I was talking about.

 

Ah. Hmm tough one to say yes to. On one hand, future employers looking up emails related to applicants who made mistakes when they were younger and pardoned for them is hard to accept. Similarly, how often would that type of situation rise? It’s more often people would switch emails or use throwaway emails for a site like this. And redacting info may not do justice if they get into further trouble and now that information is harder to access for staff/lost

 

But then why allow any posts to be deleted? Seems inconsistent. I feel like the decision has already been made like you said earlier and it's just incomplete. Either go one way or the other. I fall on the side of supporting removal of everything you don't want public and maybe let it stay visible to all staff.

 

Staff can search through deleted posts as if they were still visible so thats np

 

I had my rl name show up with "scammer", but the other forums deleted the posts when I asked them to. So now my digital name is clean again.

 

So make quoted and locked have that same functionality if its np I say

But that's my take. Doesn't really bother me all that much as I don't rly post too much I think I'd ever really want removed.

 

All the more for this to be implemented, staff can always search deleted content anyway, so there's no hiding even if one did initiate "right to vanish". And there's no reason anyone would want to hide from the staff unless it was actually something bad Sythe-wise (scamming etc)

This reformation request still stands @Sythe

 

Bump. @Sythe nothing has changed in regards to all of this.

 

Bump. Even though Laptop just wants the world to forget that he's basically Jared, I would like to see this implemented (possibly with a 1-month delay where you're not allowed to post before being removed for security reasons.)

 

I also still think this should be implemented, where you can edit/delete quoted and locked posts/threads on your own. It's been said it doesnt hinder staff to look up those deleted details and we already allow deletions.

Not seeing any reasons to not make this change tbh. Scammers are still tracked, people protect their irl reputations from things they have said here and from the fact they're part of some blackmarket stuff, etc.

 

Regardless of the off-site harassment I got, this thread was made before any of that happened.

No it doesn't hinder staff, they can see content in deleted / edited posts regardless, so removing it from public view doesn't put them at a disadvantage. Plus like I said if someone did want content hidden and they go onto scam or whatever they the staff would simply un-hide it, which is obviously not something a genuine person will go and do if they wanted content hidden in the first place.

Also, this isn't the early 2010s anymore, most scammers have caught onto how they get tracked. VPNs are everywhere these days and scammers have already learned how they get caught and know how to correctly ban evade, so really there is less and less need for denying the "right to vanish".

 

Added a few lines to the end of the OP in regards to updates from the staff since this thread was made, this is a bump also.

@Sythe

 

Bump - be interested to see if attitudes have changed to this at all (though it still ultimately falls on Richard to decide on it). The majority of websites online now will offer some sort of method for you to delete your account or remove your posts in some form, Sythe is starting to stand out now with right to vanish (it made sense years ago when scammers were riding off into the sunset, but they are long since much more aware of how to cover their tracks now).

The only people being impacted in 2019 now by being refused to vanish are genuine users.

 

Why is this not in suggestions? Then we can see it get approved or denied instead of thread sitting here for ages.

 

There's been more than enough discussion on this, it could have been actioned without a formal suggestion really.

The reason this isn't getting done is due to Richard's views on it, so everyone on the site could support the suggestion but if Richard doesn't, then it is denied.

When it is clear that at least Richard and the admin team are in support of this, then we can start putting together exactly what sort of "process" could be implemented for users to be able to go through this that both users, staff and Richard will be happy with. I understand users have got everything nuked and gone off to commit shady acts but in the past, but is not fair to assume every single person who wants to "vanish" is a full-blown scammer.

 

I agree with moving it into suggestions as there has been plenty of talk on it by the looks of it. I see the pro's and con's to both sides. But if we want it to be accepted or denied after multiple years may as well have it moved.