Question for Atheists

[Shredderbeam]

Well, there are few people who are still alive who were there a 100 years ago so they could tell you, and people can't read each others minds so you couldn't know. But, what there is a small chance for doesn't neccessarily mean it can't be...

It theoretically could be the case, but do you proceed under that assumption? When hearing about the destruction of the Spanish Armada in 1588, do you think "Oh, that didn't happen! The universe wasn't even around then!"?

 

[EL17E]

There's people who know people who know people and so on... Some really old people living... Not those who witnessed it, but those who knew others who knew others who were around back then so that would be the case to prove it... There are some good, reliable, records from back then too... Right?...

 

[TheRedeemer]

There's people who know people who know people and so on... Some really old people living... Not those who witnessed it, but those who knew others who knew others who were around back then so that would be the case to prove it... There are some good, reliable, records from back then too... Right?...

Nothing from back then is reliable, nothing from now is reliable.

I actually do believe in ghosts but not always god. Just because there is no god does not mean there is no afterlife. I never use to believe in ghosts but ive seen more proof and experiences then I needed to. I know there is something paranormal that goes on when we die just don't know what. I am also open to the fact that there may certainly be a god, but he just obviously doesn't give a fuck about what he created. Sometimes I believe and sometimes I seem to wake up to reality and go back to my athiest ways, Im just goint to stay at neutral and not give a fuck anymore.

 

[Shredderbeam]

There's people who know people who know people and so on... Some really old people living... Not those who witnessed it, but those who knew others who knew others who were around back then so that would be the case to prove it... There are some good, reliable, records from back then too... Right?...

I could claim that God makes it appear that way. That explains all of the evidence.

Again, just because something is logically possible, do you make it part of your world view?

 

[imnotcrazy357]

"One might be asked "Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." - Author Unknown

Religion often answers asked questions. Find someone in this world over the age of 20, who has never challenged his existance.

A God can exist, but the ideas of a God that are conceived by humans can be easily disproved with logic. But as of now there is as much evidence for a God as there is for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Can they really be disproved by logic? disprove my thoughts on God by logic.

If there is a god, he is a fucking asshole. He gives me a "choice" to believe whatever I want, but if I pick the logical choice I die and burn in a fire pit for all eternity.

And he's all knowing. He knows I'm only human and I am going to pick the logical choice, but he won't change my mind (he's all powerful, right?) because "he loves me". He loves me? What kind of sick fuck would let their children (thats what we are, right?) make a mistake and not try to lead me back on the right path?

Your thoughts are bias. God loves you yes, He gives you a free will, yes. If He changed everyones mind, when you try and make a bad decision, it would destroy your free will correct? Then we would be nothing but a bundle of mindless reobots roaming the earth. What would be the point in creating us then?

 

[TJ]

Ever since i was 10 i saw the bullshit in religion. Break a rule, ask for forgiveness and you free. What kind of bullshit is this? I mean seriously. So i can go out and kill someone, ask for forgiveness, and im not going to hell?

Also, what rights does a person have to tell me if im going to hell or heaven?

 

[imnotcrazy357]

Ever since i was 10 i saw the bullshit in religion. Break a rule, ask for forgiveness and you free. What kind of bullshit is this? I mean seriously. So i can go out and kill someone, ask for forgiveness, and im not going to hell?

Also, what rights does a person have to tell me if im going to hell or heaven?

You don't need to post pritty much the same thing twice, post count doesn't really matter.

Ok now think about this in a logical sense. If this person asking for forgiveness to just be able to escape Hell? yes he is...

Someone who asks for forgiveness, and there life has been completely altered by God trust in Him, and know Him as a person, they have committed murder in the past, lets say 20 years ago, do you think he is going to go to Hell? no..


Freedom of speech.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Can they really be disproved by logic? disprove my thoughts on God by logic.

They cannot be disproved, no more than Santa, the FSM, or the IPU.

Your thoughts are bias. God loves you yes, He gives you a free will, yes. If He changed everyones mind, when you try and make a bad decision, it would destroy your free will correct? Then we would be nothing but a bundle of mindless reobots roaming the earth. What would be the point in creating us then?

Is he not all-knowing?

 

[TJ]

You don't need to post pritty much the same thing twice, post count doesn't really matter.

Ok now think about this in a logical sense. If this person asking for forgiveness to just be able to escape Hell? yes he is...

Someone who asks for forgiveness, and there life has been completely altered by God trust in Him, and know Him as a person, they have committed murder in the past, lets say 20 years ago, do you think he is going to go to Hell? no..


Freedom of speech.

I dont care about post count really. so this still goes with my logic.

im going to kill someone tonight

ask for forgiveness

and then i will spend eternity in heaven

i will bbl

 

[imnotcrazy357]

They cannot be disproved, no more than Santa, the FSM, or the IPU.

Exactly.

But He said by logic. Santa isn't an all-powerful creature. He doesn't have a workshop at the N. Pole, atleast I haven't seen any in pictures. It is logically impossible for a human of this era to stop in every house with children in 24 hours.

Is he not all-knowing?

He is.

I dont care about post count really. so this still goes with my logic.

im going to kill someone tonight

ask for forgiveness

and then i will spend eternity in heaven

i will bbl

Again what is your purpose for forgiveness, is it simply to escape Hell? yes it is, therefore you shall not escape Hell.

 

[jebckr]

Religion often answers asked questions. Find someone in this world over the age of 20, who has never challenged his existance.

I think you underestimate how easy that would be. Also, the "often" times relgion answers questions is with more questions or answers that induce more questions.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

I think you underestimate how easy that would be. Also, the "often" times relgion answers questions is with more questions or answers that induce more questions.

Ok I premit my challenge, find someone over the age of twenty who has never asked him/herself one of the following questions:

Why am I here?
What is the purpose in life?
Is there something after this life?
What decides wrong or write?

 

[jebckr]

Exactly.

But He said by logic. Santa isn't an all-powerful creature. He doesn't have a workshop at the N. Pole, atleast I haven't seen any in pictures. It is logically impossible for a human of this era to stop in every house with children in 24 hours.

How dare you question the power of Santa. His workshop does not exist in the realm of earth or space, it is in another, spiritual dimension. He is omnipresent and thus CAN go to every house. There might be no pictures, but there are many a book written to prove his existance. How dare you.

Ok I premit my challenge, find someone over the age of twenty who has never asked him/herself one of the following questions:

Why am I here?
What is the purpose in life?
Is there something after this life?
What decides wrong or write?

Do Christians count? In many cases the accept their reason for existance from birth and never question it.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

How dare you question the power of Santa. His workshop does not exist in the realm of earth or space, it is in another, spiritual dimension. He is omnipresent and thus CAN go to every house. There might be no pictures, but there are many a book written to prove his existance. How dare you.



Do Christians count? In many cases the accept their reason for existance from birth and never question it.

I said logically. This is off topic, but More books have been written about Santa living at the N. Pole. No books I have read about Santa have said him being omnipresent.

It's fine if you believe or not, I am not challenging the existance of Santa, I was simply stating the logic against Santa

Do Christians count? In many cases the accept their reason for existance from birth and never question it.

They have answer for the question, thus they must have questioned it.

 

[TJ]

but crazy isnt that why people believe in religion? so they can escape the grasps of hell? why else would someone believe in so much bs? i mean, in order to believe in something you have to influence people to do so, and thats what religion is feeding on.

without fear = no religion

 

[imnotcrazy357]

but crazy isnt that why people believe in religion? so they can escape the grasps of hell? why else would someone believe in so much bs? i mean, in order to believe in something you have to influence people to do so, and thats what religion is feeding on.

without fear = no religion

Please I don't insult your belief as bullshit, why must you do so to mine?

No it is not, it might be for some, but not for all. You don't believe in doing good throught the world? Inlfuence does not mean fear, you are simply defining it that way.

Without Fear = Less semi-devoted Christians in the Church.

 

[TJ]

Without Fear = Less semi-devoted Christians in the Church.

come on, you were about to admit that without fear there wouldnt be religion then you blew it.

aww im sad now. anyways

back on topic i say!

I bet that if i got enough people to believe that if they did not believe in a monster called "the potato sack" then it would come and kill them in there sleep, i would have a religion just like christianity.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

come on, you were about to admit that without fear there wouldnt be religion then you blew it.

aww im sad now. anyways

back on topic i say!

I bet that if i got enough people to believe that if they did not believe in a monster called "the potato sack" then it would come and kill them in there sleep, i would have a religion just like christianity.

No, without fear it simply would weed out the less convinced Christiants.

God does say to fear him.

How is this on topic? this is even more off.

If you forced it upon people to believe this, then yes they would believe it, because you forced them to. What happens to those who have never heard it? 4 billion people didn't die the next day, therefore is must not be true.

Christianity does not strive of fear, as you think it does.

 

[TJ]

How does it not strive on fear? You are telling me that if hell "didnt exist" then you would be a christian still?


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bed time

and btw, gratz on stealing my idea on religon..but making it into evolution.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

How does it not strive on fear? You are telling me that if hell "didnt exist" then you would be a christian still?


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bed time

and btw, gratz on stealing my idea on religon..but making it into evolution.

I'm telling you that true Christians do not strive on fear alone to believe in Christainity.

If Hell "didn't exist" then what would happen for the sinners after death?


If you wish to attack my religion, then I do so against you.