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    science is always proven wrong by a new discoverie 50 years later, it's okay you're scared m8 i get it :)
     
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    Don't waste time, I say enjoy your life to the fullest of your ability. You say your missing out by being kind. True kindness brings happiness and if these things were so great that we are missing out you hurting someone in the process probably.


    Your in denial man, I would hate to argue aganist you; I would kill myself you debate like a girl, WIth no facts or examples....
     
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    Indeed,everything is explainable by science.Maybe not everything at the moment,but later on in time they will find a scientific solution for inexplicable things that happend in our time.

    There has never been any touchable evidence that God exists,so in stead of waiting for somekind of power to save us all,I'd rather get myself out of my own mess and learn from my mistakes.
     
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    That is the reason why a God hasn't been dismissed also is because the bible and other things that are supposely was given to us from god, have been here for quite a long time, still they remain historically correct and can not be dismissed, after all the historic facts that science has uncovered... Your statements works both ways but you should handle your own mess.
     
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    What you propose is knows as "Pascal's Wager".

    It basically proposes this: If you believe, and there is a God, you will be rewarded massively. If there is no God, you lose little. If you do not believe, and there is a God, you are punished eternally. If there is no God, you gain little. Therefore, the safest path is to believe.

    However, this wager assumes that the chances of God existing versus not existing are equal.

    It also fails to take into account the vast variety of religions on Earth. Most are convinced that they are the only right one, and that all others go to Hell. How are you to choose between them? Also, perhaps the right path is one not yet discovered by humans. Perhaps God doesn't want us to worship him.

    As you can see, Pascal's Wager fails as a concept.
     
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    Shredder, you a extremely wise man, and you are so correct in every word that you have spoken. I love the way you drew in, multiple religions on Earth and choosing could be fatal anyway. IT isnt enough to believe in a god but also to know your praising the right 1 and the right way.
     
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    its all science.
     
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    Your education (any age) is what defines your morals.
     
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    I was simply saying that there's no proof either way, but I chose to belive and cannot see why you do not. Now you're going to be an ass and cut this down, saying there is proof gods fake, well then where did we come from. No one can explain it completely and untill someone can I'll still belive =) ty.
    ( totally not trying to sound mean =\ )




    ( theres no physical proof anyways, those of us who have faith, which seems to be very few on this forum, belive the bible is proof. Many things from the bible have come to be true. (Say what you will, none of us with change the others minds )
     
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    Well let's keep it to

    You don't know
    And we don't know (yet)
     
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    I don't see why so many people in the world argue this point without solid proof. I myself belive I have some, you might too, just stating my opinions not trying to offend anyone.
     
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    There is no proof that God isn't real. It's impossible to prove a negative. For example, you cannot prove that a pink raven with the powers of speech does not exist, though we both know that the idea is ridiculous.

    The Bible makes a huge amount of predictions, and obviously, if a few of them are correct, it hardly speaks to its inherent holiness. I predict that the world will end tomorrow, or that it will not. If one of those happens, am I to be taken as a prophet?
     
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    I have a cat who can fly. You can't prove me wrong. But I can't prove myself either. This is the basic premise, just throw in millions of believers and a holy book, which in fact prove nothing. Science isn't the belief in the big bang, it's the belief that things with proof should be believed, and things with none shouldn't.
     
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    If you're parents are brought up in the church, you probably will be.


    The fact is religion is something people go to for hope, for an assurance that this isn't all there is. Without it many people wouldn't be able to find meaning.

    Depressing huh?
     
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    Common knowledge, not common sense.
    Everyone is born with Sight, Taste, Smell, Hearing, and Touch unless you were born with a mental handicap.

    Morality is the ignorance of man used to justify their beliefs; often used in assimilation.
    Basically, it's a half-ass excuse that they use to get you to act like they do.
    Morality as far as humans go compared to God is non-existant.
    Do you honestly think that lion gives a damn if that zebra he's about to eat has a wife and kids?
    I don't think so.
    A perpetual perception of morality is protection for the weak and ignorant, as it's a shroud of deception created by society to force you to behave a certain way in a certain manner.
    By the way, I'm not an atheist if these statements have you wondering.
    If you don't like my wording, blame society.
     
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    as said before, you cannot prove a negative.
    please, if you are engaging in intelligent discussion, word your questions properly.
    writing a paragraph, then finishing with a question, not only makes it very confusing to read, but also adds to the stereotype of "dumb religious fanatics"
    if you want to be taken seriously, take the arguement seriously
    perhaps the reason why you still believe is not that nobody has explained it completely, but that you didnt understand the explanation.

    see, i heard there was this awesome smart dude, and he sorta looked at stuff and thought "oh, that bird looks like that other bird" and eventually he made a story book, i think his name was charles darwin.

    may i ask how you see the bible as proof? the bible was written by man, man is flawed, therefore, the bible is flawed.
    the bible cannot be proof of anything if it is admittedly flawed.
    what is your proof? the bible?
     
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    Come on, boys leave it alone if the bible was just some idiot just guessing things he would not have things that accurate, Also the bible is used a historically book, if it was so off and incorrect it would have been tossed out by now. And the bible also does have a starting point rsgod. god says and I quote, "I have been here for eons and always have and will be" who created God?
     
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    The argument you'll get for that is that God created time. As humans we can't understand a time without time.

    Don't neccesarily support that, but yea.
     
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    I'm christian but the way i see it is well all find out when we die lol
     
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    please tell us one explanation of an "accurate" prediction.
    there are at least 2000 of them in the bible, at least one of them has got to come close to being accurate...
    please note: as a precursor to my subjective views on accuracy, the evidence must have specifics, not just 'and 2 towers will fall' because thats just bullshit.
     
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