Prove my existence within a state

Sythe exist in a state.

Logic

"Sythe.org" is a state.

"Sythe.org is a state, because it has all the characteristics of a state that we have agreed upon.

It has a definite location. Which isn't really necessary for a state.(WorldWIdeWeb)
And It has a body of people, who are governed.
(Members and staff members)

Proof that the staff members have authority is evident in there activities as moderators, administrators, etc...
(One of which you exist among)

We know sythe.org exist, because we can all visibly view it as something tangible.

WE KNOW YOU EXIST AMONGST THE FORUM/STATE, because you actively post in and participate in actives amongst us, that only members of the state could have the privilege of doing.

 

No, a citizen of a country, can be out of there country and still be a citizen. Why? Because location is not relative in a state.

A state does not require location, it requires people. People occupy the space. (Why land is usually associated with state.)

The state is governed by you and the other staff members. The location is Sythe.org. We all use the the space, it may not be psychical, but we still use the space. Read this.

Exactly, It is a concept. Somewhat of a label.

We can say we are in control. But ultimately control is a word, meant to label or express a position of power we are in.

A state is a word, meant to express the "government or authority" we endure. Yes endure....

Sythe.org may not be a large political world power, but it does oversee the activities of thousands of members daily and has over 200k people registered in this state. (loosely) That number is larger then most "states" and quite a few "continents".

It meets the criteria.

 

If our own actions directly contribute or effect someone else... does that not mean we all indirectly belong to the same 'state' on a metaphysical level.

Our awake or 'conscious' mind seems to be our only 'mind state' capable of interpreting our surroundings as they are presented to us.. giving the perception of existence.

On anther subconscious/higher level i think we all belong to a state.. but it would be impossible to prove. DMT has a lot to do with it i think.

 

Humans are very selfish. Which is why all governments fail. Because our human nature to draw power, money, land or whatever to us makes all forms of governments and organizations into a commercial government.

You can not have a political government with out having it turn commercial.
Can you name one government on this planet that does not have a commercial link to it?

Then where do you draw the line between what gets the label of a organization, house, or state?

A house is a group of people/family or coming together for any which reason usually commercial.
Organization is the same by definition just larger.
A state is even larger by definition.

So what number must sythe.org meet in order to become a state? And if the number is higher then 200k. Next do the states and countries with a population below 200k no longer get to carry their title?

My challenge was to prove you exist within a state. Not one that has the right to collect/extract taxes.

Also a state only has the right to collect taxes, if taxes are agreed upon, or if the state is commercially illegal. Taxes have not been demanded in all forms of governments in the past. Nowhere in a political government is it necessary to pay taxes. Nor should it be. It is just normally accepted by the foolish mass of today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

If I owned my own home and the land it is on. I should be able to become a sovereign state and have protection under the UN.

But due to hypocrisy it wouldn't be allowed. So sythe.org isn't allowed by your standards due to hypocrisy.

First you say sythe.org is commercial.
Then Sythe.org is not considered a state, because it has no right to extract taxes?
If sythe.org extracted taxes with-out your permission it would be commercial and very illegal.

The world mass, is now very dim at best... They all allow people to have a state that is by your definition. (didn't post, because you said you didn't want it here.) Which is the very idea of hypocrisy. Using the laws to break the laws. that is the definition of a terribly corrupt state. But a successful state has those in power who naturally are the best at what they do and are helpful to the mass. I have proved you exist amongst a successful state where people actually donate to contribute. Where the leaders of the state/forum are those who ideally want to help the mass.(may charge for their time, but not ridiculous) The fruit of state is evident in the forum's continual existence and lack of major corruption.

If you want an example of a hypocritical commercial state. Look at the United States... It has its fingers in all types of forms of business and media. Labeling it different things from regulation/deregulation, censorship, permits, business licenses, etc... And the State charges obscene amounts for these things and still shows little to no fruit. These things would naturally balance out by a truly free market with-out the burden of taxes.

 

A system built to have authority over people must accompany the faults of those people. If it can not, it will fail.

Things are labeled to communicate, I didn't change the definition of the words.
You also agreed to the definitions before, so what is the problem?
You refuse to mark a point of where you view something as a state, because then it will be definite.

You just said below, Sythe.org has its own form of government with-out taxation... (And you do exist within that government.)Example in point.

Sythe.org does falls under both definitions that we agreed upon for the debate so what is the problem?
Would you say sythe.org has all the characteristics of a state in your own definition that you pmed me?

Sadly, the mass has agreed to pay heavy taxes. If I wish to continue to live amongst society, then I must continue to do so.

I am only saying states exist around the world in many forms, I pointed out one of many that is obvious and very easily to prove you exist in. Doesn't have to be insightful, you want that read a poetry book.

And the one fallacy I have used was, stating that humans cause the decay of governments", which is true, just a fallacy in debate.

We are trying to determine whether you exist in a government?
Are we not?

If you want me to prove your existence with documentation that you exist within a state that taxes, I do not have the time for that.

 

Sythe, may I ask in this thread have you guys reached a consensus to the definition of the word "state"

Main Entry: state
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: government, country
Synonyms: body politic, commonwealth, community, federation, land, nation, republic, sovereignty, territory, union

Here are a bunch of synonyms from thesaurus.com


I think to help others tackle this problem, we must first reach a consensus of the definition of the word "state"

 

Now i may be way off but i heard story's from a bloke at work saying that with a drivers license you become a persons an are no longer a human being because you have signed your rights off to the state.

He has since been driving around NSW australia without a lisences for over 3 years and when he gets pulled over just takes the fine, goes to lock up for the 4 hours and get told to go to court.

When he arriaved at court he told me that they asked if his name was (i will use an generic example) John Smith

He said no he isnt john smith he is a human being, an when asked of his address he said that he lives in his own skin. There is alot more to the story but Im not the best at remembering + the law jargon but in the end he has been allowed to drive his car without a license because he does not belong to the state meaning he does not me the requirements to be punished under their laws also the travel is apparently a god given right an he used this in court.

I no this post was probably well off the mark but some of the shit i read in the last few pages have got to be worse then this. I just wish i could remember all the mumbo jumbo he was saying this his big law words FML

off the top of my head i know that a persons is something a human being can be the owner of, but a human being is bound by no man made laws only the laws of god or something along those lines. This shit goes so deep lol.... i cbf to read up anymore

-flame shield activated- LOL

 

Sythe although you may interact with me via the world wide web but there are still a number of reason’s I know you truely exist
For one there is no super computer that can intelligently post and respond as you have. Even if they did why would they waste such an asset to entertain others. Let’s say that you are somehow some supercomputer that they decided to use to post on a runescape cheating site you would still exist maybe not in a human form or even computer form but you are still interacting with me by posting on these foums thus the very proof of this interaction proofs you exist. In what form I have no clue for all I know you are a simple program developed to respond to others comments.

 

I wish people would just admit that they can't. This tryfacing makes me trololol.

 

It's the fun in trying the reason I participate in the SFA section is because it makes me a smarter individual for doing so I learn both the pro's and con's on every debate thus I have a more educated opinion on every matter I read about. Yea theres a very small chance that I will outwit sythe but If I'm learning something while trying why the hell not try??

 

Answer: Cannot Be Proven.

 

Right, I was going to post something along the lines of Inception and The Matrix, but it sounded better in my head. I do not see how it could be proven really.

 

Wouldn't a contribution to a common state imply existence? For example, you pay taxes?

 

The question is not very well worded it really sounds like you put out a broad ass statement and have only one idea of an answer in your head.

tl;dr ask a better question get better answers

 

Your existence would be definined best by science. Biology understands what our bodies are made of. Physics talks about our physical limitations in the world. Psychology tells us the workings of ones brain.