Principle Outstanding Questions Concerning Leanbean901

Oh sorry, Must have missed that.

I do not feel that Leanbean has any responsibility in this case to pay back what is owed to Iago.

As pointed out in the discussion threads, I believe Leanbean has faults (as were pointed out) but nothing that would require him to be in debt 2000$ because of Iago's poor trading habits.

 

Okay, I understand what your opinions/points are and see where you're coming from better now, thanks.

I hope you can also understand why we're pretty pissed about this incident.

I'm not Honest Iago, and I don't know what his top priority is now, but one thing I'm sure of myself, leanbean901 has to face some consequences. He can't just get off scotch free.

 

I would usually PM you in this situation, but id prefer the community to see this, Why do you think he should be held accountable?

All of the points that were brought up against him were a direct result of Ihago failing to request a updated PM.

Action > Consequences.

(as I have stated before) Literally none of these flaws from Leanbean would have come to light if Iago had requested a updated PM.

Do I think things from Leanbeans side are possible? (although unlikely)
Yes.

 

Why? Everyone has presented a lot of circumstantial evidence and have not presented any concrete evidence showing their dual arguments.

You can't argue that both Leanbean is responsible for his hacking and that he is his own hacker. Those arguments don't make sense together. He can be one or the other. Concrete, not circumstantial, evidence can be shown that he either in some way was responsible for the scam by proving that he was negligent in a way that caused the scam or you can provide the evidence that he is his own hacker. He cannot be and not be the hacker at the same time.

The OP isn't making his case any better by creating 10 threads of the same thing over and over again. A rational discussion can be had in a single thread and as far as I can see there has been no new evidence put forward on either side. It has become a cyclical mess of accusations without solid evidence, and as a I stated previously how do we know that this isn't a ruse perpetrated to get Leanbean banned? I don't actually believe it, but I could damn sure make a decent argument about it with as much proof as everyone else has. I am sure Richard has a hand in the discussion and he will arbitrate it fairly and according to his code.

 

My top priority is that I'm paving the way for the next time staff tries to pull one over on the average user. I've generated enough hype that it will not be swept under the rug. Staff should not be exempt to the rules. All of Sythe is watching. Even if I lose out the next guy will not.

 

Consider my 2k loss a sythe donation.

 

Nobody "pulled one over" on you.

LIKE I LITERALLY JUST SAID

Cause > effect.

You didn't request a updated PM > you got scammed

if anything this entire story should be stickied so people know not to be retarded like you have shown in the past few days. Why you are still trying to make this a big deal and discuss this is beyond me. If you have a bigger issue with it PM RICHARD, he will tell you exactly what Zuzel, FireZ and Roary Have told you.

 

Ok I'm done talking to this idiot.

 

After speaking to two different skype representatives, they made it clear that it's possible to get hacked without the knowledge of the skype's email, no contact with anyone who can send you malicious files, and having a clean computer. With that being said, why would they target lean? Wouldn't you able to profit much better if you targeted a staff member who is more into the market?

Leanbean said that there is a possibility of the hacker going through his vouches and seeing that he's done $3500 worth of MP trades with Honest. What are the odds of that? Also, if the hacker was that smart, he would've found out the time zones of each staff member, calculated when was the best time to hijack their skype accounts and go on a scamming spree.

Has leanbean provided any proof of him not being the hacker, or the method of the hacking? No. It's basically his words against the proof we have against him. This is why he should have been banned as per procedure until the case is resolved and a compromise has been made.

 

Honestly, we have to trust that the staff is going to make the right decision. It's been brought to their attention and as we all know staff has no issues banning scammers. Granted this was for a very large amount but everyone firing at lean isn't going to change anything. Bottom line is it's being discussed in upperstaff and the community is well aware of the situation and we should honestly just wait for a decision and the reasoning behind it.

 

Your posts lack quite a bit of logic. It's become apparent through your posting that you're busy trying to defend or suck-up to various members and have not viewed the situation from an honest standpoint.

That's not the case. Sythe mods aren't all powerful. They're just the ones currently entrusted to uphold the rules. Sythe, as a community, hence force referred to as "we," have clearly made mistakes in the past nominating and promoting members whose personality and moral judgement had been wrongly assessed. This means that just because we have a current pool of staff, doesn't mean that the community shouldn't be involved in issues like this. Most suggestions come from community members that aren't staff.

I'm not sure if you're involved in many Sythe community activities, but staff come to old users for quite a lot of things. I consider myself a legit Sythe user, and I know the rules inside and out. I have proven mods wrong regarding rules in the past and I'll do it again. All sythe members come from different backgrounds and should have their opinions judged on popular issues in which the resolution of said issues will affect further judgement on similar cases.

As someone interested in the field of law and a Sythe veteran, this is quite intriguing to me.
With everything presented thus-far, this case should most likely result in payment from lean to stay unbanned, and a TWC (no demotion) at the very least if things add-up from here.

I do like Lean as a person, and I haven't seen him around much as a moderator, but this, in my personal experience seemed like too good of an opportunity to pass up for lean. It was an easy chance for a scam that could result in Lean remaining unbanned, as the PM wasn't recent. The staff position and associated trust, along with an established trade history gave the user a false confidence.
This confidence was quite the downfall.
Yes, OP should have requested a recent pm.
Yes, OP was scammed from Lean's Skype.
No, we don't have evidence that Lean wasn't aware of the hack/scam.
Yes, the evidence presented against Lean is very questionable, and staff rights should be revoked until the issue is solved.
Yes, every case is different and globals+ are going to have to take awhile to see all of the specific details of this one.

I'm not on anyone's side, as none of you should be. Read the case, post opinions, and staff:
make educated, historically referenced and based judgement.
The future of Sythe.org depends on how we all handle these cases. Richard can't do it alone and mods can't do it alone. Keep emotions in check (Yes, @Lean and @OP) and ask the questions that need to be asked.

Here's to hoping that this can be resolved with as many parties satisfied as possible in such a situation.

EDIT-

From "le OG club" with timestamps for reference as evidence.
Saturday,

 

I've given up on this. Nothing will happen. The people in charge are too consumed backing up their own, consciously or subconsciously

 

Very levelheaded and useful post. Thank you.

 

I've also been affected by somebody scamming and it being blamed on me. I'll admit my position is bit biased

All I've been doing is stating fact and not jumping on the sythe bandwagon. I have noted while its not likely what he is saying, its possible.

What makes you think I'm trying to suck up to various members? do you have any supporting facts or are you just assuming?

 

Understood with the scamming part, but trading on Sythe is just so simple, yet people are still getting scammed and that bothers me.

Yes, I must say it's an assumption as it's quite common around here.

 

Which is why I hope you can see my point?


I assumed you read all the information like I have, while Leans position is unlikely. its possible.

Honest is at fault for everything here because of the simple fact he didn't ask for an updated PM. (fk it feels like i've written this 100 times)

I have no want to every join staff, and have no previous history with Leanbean. His actions do not warrent this kind of feedback from the community.

 

You're sucking up right now lmao had anyone below an apprentice user title said that you'd be your ol' spastic self.

 

I swear to God you are twelve, with that spelling.

 

L

sure, look at my conversation with Zicellix very spastic.