PrimeDice.com

[kfjjjdst]

After I saw Superman's Usertitle, I decided to give it a look;

The website claims to have hosted $159,400,000 value of BTC in 606,370,725 rolls, averaging to a $0.25 / Roll disregarding all the bets that are made without any stake.

Taking a random sample of the most recent bets, the largest one was $0.0075 in value converted - Seeing its an average, $0.25/Bet, all those bets that you can see below are outliers, according to statistics. Therefore the chances of so small bets being made, are very rare. Yet here you have it. Some magic must be done for that average to jump that much

http://gyazo.com/dd97bbfa03ec44a070210ba28c91dace.png

Taking this a step further, let's suppose 30% of the bets are made without stake, even though I'm 100% sure it's a lot higher than that.


Superman, wot is this bullshit pls.

 

I don't think he represents them, he was just paid to advertise.

In any case, that is suspicious.

 

[kfjjjdst]

I don't think he represents them, he was just paid to advertise.

In any case, that is suspicious.

I know, those claims are still flat out laughable nonetheless.


EDIT: I forgot to mention the part, that the owner, since it's a game of chance which has a long run statistics is [according to the website] in $1,570,000 profit, yet he needs people to advertise his shit [on a sythe.org calibre website]. Legit.

EDIT2: Hi Roary, didn't know this belonged in market discussion, sry

 

PrimeDice is legitimate http://gyazo.com/6fdb45774acd95e25f073127dfad0d02

what you took a screenshot of shows all bets but many do not appear, the larger bets are shown on the high roller tab

For example, use the automated betting system they have and bet 0 for 1000 rolls, open another tab in incognito mode or get someone else to check it and barely any of those bets will appear on the "All Bets" tab.

 

[kfjjjdst]

PrimeDice is legitimate http://gyazo.com/6fdb45774acd95e25f073127dfad0d02

what you took a screenshot of shows all bets but many do not appear, the larger bets are shown on the high roller tab

For example, use the automated betting system they have and bet 0 for 1000 rolls, open another tab in incognito mode or get someone else to check it and barely any of those bets will appear on the "All Bets" tab.

I see; However - If you still take into account, that what we see on the SS you made is about 20 bets? in 2 hours' span which had an average of say $35 in value? Add that to the amounts that are wagered on the public one, it still doesn't come out to $0.25/Avg bet, taking into consideration play money bets, etcetera.

I'm not questioning their legitimacy, as I honestly couldn't care less. But those claims I don't believe.

 

I see; However - If you still take into account, that what we see on the SS you made is about 20 bets? in 2 hours' span which had an average of say $35 in value? Add that to the amounts that are wagered on the public one, it still doesn't come out to $0.25/Avg bet, taking into consideration play money bets, etcetera.

I'm not questioning their legitimacy, as I honestly couldn't care less. But those claims I don't believe.

Understandable.

yet he needs people to advertise his shit [on a sythe.org calibre website]. Legit.

As far as I'm aware the owner of PrimeDice is Apple (I dont know him by his real name) known mainly from staking on RS and obviously he knows how much of a gambling community RS had before Jagex removed all player run games, so hes mainly trying to appeal to all the people that can no longer gamble on RS.

 

[fcpl0x]

As far as I know prime dice is a legit site and the owners have made a large amount of profit.

 

[S]

Who owns primedice/when did it start up?

 

[kfjjjdst]

As far as I know prime dice is a legit site and the owners have made a large amount of profit.

So you say you think it's realistic that the owner of the website has made an estimate profit exceeding $1,5M since the website started up?

 

Primedice is a very legit site, it's also provably fair.

 

[Superfluous]

Just checked the high rollers tab: http://puu.sh/8scXA.png. I don't think $0.25 is an unreasonable average bet. That's less than 1m rs3 today... and even when dicing/flowering were around in rs3, 500k (at ~$0.50/m) was considered a very low bet. It's not really the most useful statistic though since someone can bet 10 btc with a very low multiplier and drastically alter the average bet value. More interesting would be the median bet, which I'd assume is very low.

 

Just checked the high rollers tab: http://puu.sh/8scXA.png. I don't think $0.25 is an unreasonable average bet. That's less than 1m rs3 today... and even when dicing/flowering were around in rs3, 500k (at ~$0.50/m) was considered a very low bet. It's not really the most useful statistic though since someone can bet 10 btc with a very low multiplier and drastically alter the average bet value. More interesting would be the median bet, which I'd assume is very low.

Although I agree, take into consideration that BTC value was at ~$1k for a while and he had a lot of bets when they were around that value, now the value of BTC is ~$430

 

[kfjjjdst]

Just checked the high rollers tab: http://puu.sh/8scXA.png. I don't think $0.25 is an unreasonable average bet. That's less than 1m rs3 today... and even when dicing/flowering were around in rs3, 500k (at ~$0.50/m) was considered a very low bet. It's not really the most useful statistic though since someone can bet 10 btc with a very low multiplier and drastically alter the average bet value. More interesting would be the median bet, which I'd assume is very low.

Don't forget, that a vast majority of the bets [as on most gambling sites] are free bets - which were NOT taken into account in this average, meaning without that, the average would be even higher.

$0.25 for a bet is nothing, I wager [in total] $1-4K+ / week on sport events easily, however rolling a dice and making bets that actually make any sense are two different things.

As for the 10 BTC bet etc, no one in their right mind would bet $4,000 on a virtual dice, even though if 1-98 = you win 99-100 = you lose. That's just my opinion though.

Although I agree, take into consideration that BTC value was at ~$1k for a while and he had a lot of bets when they were around that value, now the value of BTC is ~$430

I calculated the $15,700,000 in BTC's current value, meaning in reality the wager has been $20,000,000+ According to his claims, which I still find laughable.

 

[Xolr]

I use primedice all the time actually. You need to find the thread at Bitcointalk.org to see who owns and operates it. I don't believe that the free bets add to the roll counter. There are hundreds of people auto martingaling the lowest denomination of a Bitcoin 0.00000001, and making less than a fraction of a cent profit.

 

[Xier0]

I posted this back in January when the numbers were slightly different, but most of it is still true:

Don't believe anything you hear about this site... Look at the numbers yourself

If you look at the current bets, almost all of them of them are fractions of a penny, which the house only earns 1/200th of the fraction of the penny. The easiest way to gauge it is by checking the highrollers tab on their site. The last 2 hours of 'highroller' bets @ a .05 house advantage yielded $21 worth of profit... that amounts to less than $200 per day.

Even if you were to believe that 300k+ BTC was gambled at their site, that still is only 1.5 million at current rates, which, for about half of the site's existence, coins were less than $100 each, so you can slash your awe into fractions because of the quantity gambled at lower prices.

Their stats are mostly falsified, the first 12 hours after they opened they claimed to have some unreal amount of BTC wagered (hundreds of thousands or millions or something) when they had a total of less than $1000 worth of BTC cashed in/out. Once again, if you compare the notable 'highroller' bet amount over the measurable period, you would come up with only ~20k BTC bet over the span of the site, a far cry from the 300k+ they claim.

Long story short, they are full of shit, always have been.

 

Long story short, they are full of shit, always have been.

Actually, Primedice is legit, the betting system is provably fair and all the stats they show in public are legitimate and they indeed have earned $1.5m+
You can see their Bitcointalk thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.0

You see, even though you don't manage to profit with your gambling services,
that doesn't mean that others couldn't. PrimeDice was a big success.

If KO forced you to post this because he thinks that a bitcoin casino is competition to you, ignore this and don't take it personally.

 

[iTeen]

Who owns primedice/when did it start up?

It's run by Apple, who was known as a large staker and had a flowers FC before they were banned.

 

[zgangz]

So you say you think it's realistic that the owner of the website has made an estimate profit exceeding $1,5M since the website started up?

Im friends with two 40% stake holders and judging by their lifestyle $1.5m sounds very realistic they also made a lot off just buying their coins at $100 when Primedice came out.

I posted this back in January when the numbers were slightly different, but most of it is still true:



Long story short, they are full of shit, always have been.

Okay so they started with about $150,000 in Bitcoins which translates to now about $600,000 and knowing both the owners they haven't sold a coin since $1,000. even if 1.5m Sounds inflated to you it shouldn't just because of BTC price change. For the amount of time invested into the site compared to IRC dicing clan with 20% house edge, 50+ staff and less volume I think theyre doing pretty well.

 

[Xier0]

Actually, Primedice is legit, the betting system is provably fair and all the stats they show in public are legitimate and they indeed have earned $1.5m+
You can see their Bitcointalk thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.0

You see, even though you don't manage to profit with your gambling services,
that doesn't mean that others couldn't. PrimeDice was a big success.

If KO forced you to post this because he thinks that a bitcoin casino is competition to you, ignore this and don't take it personally.

Read what I posted instead of insulting me, jackass. The stats are clearly falsified and always have been, prove to me that they aren't.

Spoiler: 2 Hours of PrimeDice Highroller bets during peak hours

mini123 23:21 0.10240000 2.00000 >50.50 55.5 +0.10240000
607893206 mini123 23:11 0.20480000 2.00000 >50.50 54.08 +0.20480000
607893192 mini123 23:11 0.10240000 2.00000 >50.50 18.54 -0.10240000
607874153 mini123 22:51 0.10240000 2.00000 >50.50 65.71 +0.10240000
607865728 Jonewu 22:43 0.12034975 1.10000 <90.00 67.53 +0.01203498
607865240 Jonewu 22:42 0.10940886 1.10000 <90.00 89.46 +0.01094089
607815663 mini123 21:53 0.19923870 2.00000 >50.50 34.58 -0.19923870
607814908 mini123 21:52 0.10240000 2.00000 >50.50 22 -0.10240000
607809520 30042014 21:46 0.10879344 2.00000 >50.50 89.09 +0.10879344
607806403 30042014 21:43 0.20001280 2.00000 <49.50 9.98 +0.20001280
607806335 30042014 21:43 0.10000640 2.00000 <49.50 75.7 -0.10000640
607806016 30042014 21:43 0.20000320 2.00000 <49.50 4.24 +0.20000320
607805951 30042014 21:43 0.10000160 2.00000 <49.50 85.17 -0.10000160
607805470 30042014 21:43 0.20000080 2.00000 <49.50 30.2 +0.20000080
607805391 30042014 21:43 0.10000040 2.00000 <49.50 92.71 -0.10000040
607805144 30042014 21:42 0.10000120 2.00000 <49.50 20.19 +0.10000120
607804737 30042014 21:42 0.10000160 2.00000 <49.50 12.73 +0.10000160
607803974 30042014 21:41 0.40000480 2.00000 <49.50 45.11 +0.40000480
607803915 30042014 21:41 0.20000240 2.00000 <49.50 55.01 -0.20000240
607803873 30042014 21:41 0.10000120 2.00000 <49.50 81.91 -0.10000120
607800660 30042014 21:38 0.20000160 2.00000 >50.50 93.72 +0.20000160
607800558 30042014 21:38 0.10000080 2.00000 >50.50 23.83 -0.10000080
607799784 30042014 21:37 0.10000040 2.00000 >50.50 89.25 +0.10000040
607795334 30042014 21:33 0.10000020 2.00000 >50.50 90.32 +0.10000020
607787881 30042014 21:25 0.20005120 2.00000 <49.50 45.49 +0.20005120
607787832 30042014 21:25 0.10002560 2.00000 <49.50 83.32 -0.10002560
607784288 30042014 21:21 6.40001280 2.00000 <49.50 36.08 +6.40001280
607784206 30042014 21:21 3.20000640 2.00000 <49.50 87.99 -3.20000640
607784148 30042014 21:21 1.60000320 2.00000 <49.50 52.62 -1.60000320
607784109 30042014 21:21 0.80000160 2.00000 <49.50 81.86 -0.80000160

Bet volume is $7500 @ $500 each

Now take .5% of that, and you get $37.5 profit in 2 hours...

 

[vegeta508]

Im friends with two 40% stake holders and judging by their lifestyle $1.5m sounds very realistic they also made a lot off just buying their coins at $100 when Primedice came out.



Okay so they started with about $150,000 in Bitcoins which translates to now about $600,000 and knowing both the owners they haven't sold a coin since $1,000. even if 1.5m Sounds inflated to you it shouldn't just because of BTC price change. For the amount of time invested into the site compared to IRC dicing clan with 20% house edge, 50+ staff and less volume I think theyre doing pretty well.

interesting information you have here ^o^, I see what others are saying about the figures and numbers but at the same time I am morely confused as too why they wouldn't start too sell when it started it's decline