Point of Clarification

[Magic Arrow]

This is not a troll thread.

I contemplated for a couple of minutes whether to post this in Feedback or Suggestions, but I chose Feedback because I was requesting clarification on the issue rather than an amendment to it. (IE please don't infract me for posting in wrong section)

Within the site rule it says:

• Porn/Gore: posting pictures, videos, links to websites related to porn/extreme gore, etc. The staff will decide what constitutes porn or gore. It is not for you to decide. Steer clear of posting anything which could be interpreted as this.

Now I just want this addressed, when does nudity count as porn and not art. They used to show us the structures of penises and vaginas in school when I was 13 in biology. I always thought porn was act of sexual exciting someone else. Now while a photograph may be able to sexually excite somebody, if it is not published for that purpose can it really be classified as porn?

I think there is definitely a distinction between nudity and porn. But since the rules don't classify nudity as porn, can someone really be posted for posting something, say nude art? While most places make it obligatory for porn to be 18+, a lot of movies that contain nudity are MA15+, therefore proving that nudity is not porn.

So either incorporate it into the rules to make it that nudity counts as porn, or leave it out altogether. Leaving gray areas within the rules only opens it up to abuse, when I think it could be addressed very, very easily.

Just my opinion.

 

[Brendan]

I say we allow Sythe to just include nudity as porn. I know a majority of Sythe probably wouldn't mind it being allowed, but it just causes trouble for moderators to find the difference between porn and nudity, which leads to further arguments. Also, I just don't see the point in having it on Sythe, a RuneScape cheating forum seems hardly the place.

 

[Magic Arrow]

I don't disagree either way, I just think it needs to be addressed without leaving gray areas.

 

[Sanctuary]

How often do you see people confused by this rule?

 

[Alteranz]

The area has always been quite grey within the staff, and we would typically enforce porn as nudity.
Clarifying it as simply "Nudity/Gore" would indeed help

 

[Karl]

If its nudity related and NSFW, then its probably not allowed ;P

 

[Magic Arrow]

How often do you see people confused by this rule?

Regardless, it's a gray area.



@Karl, then put it in the rules, Alteranz seems to be the only one to understand what I'm saying.

 

[Shin]

"Pornography does not necessarily involve a naked person, but it involves sexualized scenes, and usually it does not claim to have any artistic merit." --- Wikipedia Source

when does nudity count as porn and not art

In most cases, I would see it as porn, or intended to be porn if not used for educational purposes. However, I don't see where the rules would need amended, as this issue is not large enough to affect the forum(s) day-to-day functions.

But since the rules don't classify nudity as porn, can someone really be posted for posting something, say nude art?

When someone posts "nude art", what is their intention(s)? In most cases, it will bring a negative response rather than a positive one. As you can clearly see, signatures among multiple forums will have some sort of semi-naked/revealed female in them. I don't support it.

Leaving gray areas within the rules only opens it up to abuse

Yet, I am certain the Staff would point to the Unconscionable Act Clause.

Staff reserve the right to ban or infract for any unconscionable act. The above rules and associated punishments only apply when the staff can reasonably judge that a user does not deserve some other, perhaps more severe form of punishment for any unconscionable act they might make on the forums.

I understand what you're trying to say, but not sure how the Staff will respond.

**Note: I am only posting here as it is a feedback thread.

 

[Karl]

Just wondering, when has anyone posted nudity on this site in the form of art or educational purposes?

 

[Shin]

Just wondering, when has anyone posted nudity on this site in the form of art or educational purposes?

That's what I was trying to get across in my previous post.

As such... I don't see reason, if any, strong enough to cause an amendment of the rules.

 

[Magic Arrow]

Just wondering, when has anyone posted nudity on this site in the form of art or educational purposes?

People have been banned for porn whilst posting nudes (I believe) there was a high profile case a couple years back. (Not Cruel)

Here's what I'm trying to say, perfectly summed up in two lines

• If I post a naked photo, and may be able to convince the staff I did so in the intention that it was art, leave it as it is.
• If I would be insta-denied then just clarify it so it includes nudity

 

[Rahman]

Just wondering, when has anyone posted nudity on this site in the form of art or educational purposes?

ZerkerFist's siggy is probably the closest form of art expressing nudity. If you actually take it into perspective, its both a man and woman naked.

 

[Karl]

ZerkerFist's siggy is probably the closest form of art expressing nudity. If you actually take it into perspective, its both a man and woman naked.

is he banned?

No.

Do you think we ban for nudity that is considered art/educational?

 

[Magic Arrow]

is he banned?

No.

Do you think we ban for nudity that is considered art/educational?

So I can make a thread about biology and post a picture of a penis and I won't be banned?

 

[Rahman]

is he banned?

No.

Do you think we ban for nudity that is considered art/educational?

So hypothetically, If i chose to, I could create a siggy of a flaccid penis and errect penis, and title the differences, since its educational correct? Since the image would show the differences?

Not trolling.

 

[Karl]

Porn/Gore: posting pictures, videos, links to websites related to porn/extreme gore, etc. The staff will decide what constitutes porn or gore. It is not for you to decide. Steer clear of posting anything which could be interpreted as this.

So in this instance, Marrow.. persoanlly I wouldn't ban you.. if it was in the right section and that it was valid.

and |R|ahman you'd be banned.

 

[Rahman]

I see, But couldn't staff explain beforehand on what differentiates between allowable nudity to nudity which is frowned upon in Sythe?

If it was foretold in text it would result in less chances for it to occur users to differentiate from what is acceptable and what isnt.

** I wasn't actually planning to create a signature like that.

 

[SuF]

This was brought up like two weeks ago. I wrote this awhile ago and it makes more sense:

Nudity/Gore: Posting or linking to nudity / gore (PM a staff member before you post if you have questions about what constitutes either)

 

[T V]

So... would I be in the clear?