Personal and Business Sections

[Nateforsale]

I've had about a dozen people try to scam me so far, I think one of the main problems is that the runescape buying and selling gold is all in two sub-forums for buy and sell. There are no extra sections to distinguish the businesses from the people like me who have quit runescape and want to sell their stuff to make a few bucks, not start up a buying and selling business. Some people expect too much of people like me and a lot of scammers like to manipulate that. They like to act like being the newcomer means you must hand over all of your gold straight away etc I understand a lot of legit people aren't going to put a lot of trust in somebody with no vouches but all the people that come here to sell what they have and leave aren't going to have thousands of vouches. At the same time with the huge amount of people creating fake skypes pretending to be older vouched members, it makes things really difficult for us. I think like on paypal there should be personal sections for people who are making sales of whatever they own and leaving, and business sections for the gold shops that buy and sell. When mixing them all into the same subforum it makes people expect too much of us and scammers can easily manipulate that.

 

[Elena]

So you want another subsection within the Gold Exchange for people who are just selling their item's/gold and leaving and then one for people who have their shops correct? I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying before I go ahead and give my opinion on it.

 

[Nateforsale]

Yes basically to divide up the one-time sellers from the gold shops because it's hard to stand up to the shops expectations and standards and scammers just use that to try and pressure people into scams.

 

[Elena]

No support I don't think that it will stop anything. Here is why let's say there is an imposter of R2 and they trying to get you to trade with them. They can very easily just go to the one time seller sections and still add your skype creating another sub forum isn't going to stop that.

 

[MRangeM]

If I were to quit and sell all my gold/rares, I would go to the businesses and sell directly to their buying page. they may buy a few cents less per mill than the others, but it is almost a guaranteed no scam.

I don't think we need to make any subsections.

 

[Nateforsale]

It's the difference between a company on ebay that sells headphones and an individual putting his headphones up for sale. You can go directly to the businesses but they don't pay well and a lot of people make big attempts are imposing them.

 

[Elena]

But you are missing the point of people can imposter anyone and people will still try and get your item's no matter what subsection you are in. Making a new subsection won't stop people from browsing there.

 

[Nateforsale]

But you are missing the point of people can imposter anyone and people will still try and get your item's no matter what subsection you are in. Making a new subsection won't stop people from browsing there.

Yeah but the people who are also newcomers that want to buy can go there if they're prepared to buy from another newcomer to get a cheaper price than the stores.

 

[Elena]

How is that going to decrease scams? Most newcomers scam. So now you would just have newcomers scamming newcomers? It doesn't solve anything.

 

[Nateforsale]

How is that going to decrease scams? Most newcomers scam. So now you would just have newcomers scamming newcomers? It doesn't solve anything.

No I think it's better to have newcomers dealing with newcomers rather than having them get tricked by people impersonating the older members. Last night they even had someone impersonating an official middleman to make the scam feel so believable. I don't know how it goes around here but it seems safer to me if both people openly know they are new then a new seller being added on skype by someone pretending to be an old member with hundreds of vouches.

It means that both buyer and seller know they're in the same boat and no one person is pretending to be in a much higher standing around here and saying they should be more trusted, they should be given ALL the money/gold straight away, etc. Out of the huge amount of people and PMs I've received it's very rare to see an actual newcomer using their real identity and not someone else's.

 

[Elena]

You do realize that a majority of the new comers are just old scammers coming back and scamming again and again right? Also if you were to just request a private message it would solve your whole imposter issue.

 

[Nateforsale]

Wait do you mean this forum doesn't get many new members coming to buy some gold and leave?

 

[Elena]

I am not saying that some are put there is a majority that just keep ban evading and scamming. Plus if you would just request a Private message you wouldn't have to worry about imposters.

 

[Nateforsale]

I am not saying that some are put there is a majority that just keep ban evading and scamming. Plus if you would just request a Private message you wouldn't have to worry about imposters.

I have had a huge amount of probable scammers contact me, out of all the people who've added me only one or maybe two have actually confirmed their a new member here and they don't seem like scammers, one was offering a risky deal but the other seems legit and honest. I think most scammers pretend to be older members and play the authority/respect card hoping you won't ask for a PM. If this section got created I can't see why a scammer would instead pretend to be a new players too.

 

[Elena]

What you are not understand is what is from stopping them from making a new account and scamming you as a newcomer? Ether way you are still getting scammed the new section what stop that.

 

[Nateforsale]

What you are not understand is what is from stopping them from making a new account and scamming you as a newcomer? Ether way you are still getting scammed the new section what stop that.

Because if you're new and selling to another newcomer they're not able to say "I've been here for years, I have over 1000 vouches, I want the gold first". If you're both new then you can do it in increments or get an official middleman involved. People who are scamming will probably continue to impersonate the older members still and this won't work in that section because newcomers buying/selling might want to only deal with other newcomers to avoid this.

 

[Elena]

So what is stopping you from

A) Requesting a private message

B) Requesting a Official Middleman

C) Requesting a Trusted Middleman

Why do you need a whole new section?

 

[Nateforsale]

I can do all those things if I want to sell to a gold shop, they might be safer if you can get past all the imposters but to be really honest they pay the lowest rates. They then sell them on for a lot higher rates, for example some will pay 0.17-0.2 and then sell for 0.27-0.3

But if there was a section for individuals rather than shops, people could buy/sell in between such as at 0.25. Kind of like cutting out the middleman (the gold shop not the literal middleman for the deal). But 0.25 now? All I see is a bunch of people going around impersonating goldshops and saying they'll buy for 0.25 but we must go first with all the hold. Oh and because they have a customer waiting we must do it immediately (they need to get it done before the goldshop owner logs on basically). It's very difficult to find a legit individual who will buy direct from you for a reasonable price on both sides and I can only guess most people only buy from goldshops because of the risk and them both being in the same section (individuals and goldshops) all the goldshop topics make the individuals like me look like we're not worth buying from. So now I am forced to sell to a goldshop at 0.17.

This is why there should be a freelance section for people who simply came here because they quit runescape and are selling their stuff, and a business section for people that buy and sell to make a profit.

 

[Elena]

Ok and if you request a pm from a big gold seller you don't have to worry about getting scammed. Newcomers or whoever else they want can put their gold threads in the section that is there already there is nothing stopping them? You keep talking about impostors but anyone can be impostored and like I have said before if you request a pm then the impostors go away.

 

[Nateforsale]

The point is I don't want to sell to a gold shop, I could make much more and a buyer could save more if me and other sellers/buyers could just work directly. We can put our threads in the section, but the problem with it being in the same section is the goldshops put our threads to shame, we can't compete. The only good offers people like me get come from scammers. If there was a personal section buyers/sellers could then make a choice, they'd be more aware there's a difference between gold shops and people who came here because they're done with runescape and want to sell their old stuff. Right now it's not very friendly towards people like us because when you put them all in one massive section most buyers will just skip past us and go straight to the gold shops because of the 1000+ vouches etc. It's like some of them don't even notice we are here.