People on welfare. Lazy, or a reason?

they are getting a free ride is what i mean.

 

..its time the gov gave back to the ppl

how do u apply for welfare?
can i get welfare checks?


i wonder how many sythe users r eligible for welfare and dont take advantage of it

 

Wellfare is and will become complete failure.

In more developed countries were welfare is predominant, the ratio of older people who require it and younger people who pay it is increasing, to such an extent that the younger people cannot pay for it anymore and the older people must survive without it even though when they were younger they also had to pay for it.

Some people deserve welfare and such and some may not, but the majority of the people who recieve it get it for the correct purpose.

True, but in a welfare system you are NOT only paying for those people, you are paying for yourself when you put yourself into their posistion. You pay in hopes that when you grow older, that you recieve the same treatment and that another young person can pay for the same as you once did.

 

When it comes to dealing with money, the average human being is not as rational as you. People lose their heads only thinking about the present, forgetting that the future will some day be "now" and that then, they may be in trouble.

Everyone pays for it yes, but it's equally available to any of those payers that suffer serious financial problems in the future. It's might not be the most flawless of systems but it's an earnest attempt at providing a fail safe for all the people that aren't rational with money and can't/don't reasonably plan ahead for any potential problems.

 

There are both, some people that are out of work use welfare to keep them alive while they try to find a new job, that is what welfare was originally meant for. Unfortunately, there are a bunch of sploiters out there that attempt to abuse the system, and can just sit around and get paid while "looking for work" which can consist of doing nothing at all, which usually means laziness...

 

Well, I did some research following that article you gave me, and it does seem that you are correct. Their massive government, coupled with the corruption of individuals and the lack of oversight, makes it virtually impossible for anybody but a giant corporation to set up business there.

Countries with small governments that allow people to set up business as they please have more affluence than those that do not. The very nature of a free society is such that work will always be available in varying amounts. As such, welfare is a negative thing. If it were based upon charity, and voluntary donations, well and good. However, it is not. If I do not pay my taxes, I am arrested, and thrown into jail until I will comply. It does not matter to them that income earned is a private matter, they do not care that they have no right to take massive chunks out of my income, they do it just the same. It is not my fault that my neighbor cannot work, must I be forced to pay for him to live?

 

Obviously some people genuinely need welfare in order to survive, due to one unfortunate circumstance or the other.

The problem resides with the exploiters of the welfare/benefit system.
The governemt does not crack down hard enough on the people who abuse the system, that is the sole reason why it will be continually flawed and useless.
So basically tax payers are getting drained for nothing, and there is no forseeable end to it.

Lastly,
Sythe you talk bollocks.
So you are basically trying to say that as a nation of people who need to look out for one another, just because an unfortunate occurence to a particular individual is not your fault, you should have to pay tax in order to support this person?
It's just plain ethics mate.

If you don't believe in morals and ethics maybe you should form your sythopia.

 

Get out of it. I should be required to pay for those who cannot afford to survive? Each person is their own master, and is separate from every other person. Forcing one to pay for the continued existence of another is theft. There is no other way to put it.

 

Morality cannot be false, as it is subjective, but nice quote from a failed philosopher.

By conventional wisdom, to have luxury while another has nothing is evil, and I'd agree with that. Since you evidently cannot be trusted to be charitable yourself, you show the need for the welfare system.

 

Exactly.
IT isn't theivery as shredderbeam put it.
What is it about supporting another person in need that irks everyone so much.
If you have in a situation where other lack, what is the negative in supporting them?

 

It is perfectly objective.

I think not. I am my own person, and if another is suffering through no fault of mine, I cannot be required to pay for their existence.

I'd be happy to give to charities once in a while, as long as it was entirely from my own free will.

It's the whole "pay up, or you go to jail" mentality.

 

At the end of the day, as a nation of people striving to survive, there have to be rules.
Abode by the rules of move to Switzerland where the tax laws are much more lax.
Still, the 'it's my money, i can do what i want' mentality is NOT sustainable or practical.
So guess people just have to suck it up.

 

Tell me, how is it not sustainable or practical?

 

Fuck, I'll tell you for him.

The current state of the world atm is NOT sustainable... especially the American capitalist lifestyle (that so many other countries are guilty of trying to emulate as well). We consume more than we produce. We expend all our resources in the name of money.... We live in a society that forces people to invent and support things we do not need for the entertainment of the rich while a billion people in other countries go hungry (most of our work force helps to create things we as a society do not need... LIKE VIRTUAL FUCKING GOLD ON A VIDEO GAME while so many people don't have basic resources). Laziness and fear are our justification. Apathy is our mantra. Ignorance is bliss.

The elite keep us all in check, your nothing but a slave with a $ sign on it raised and conditioned by capitalists in order to maintain the status quo. Keep feeding the rich.

Don't listen to me! Don't do it! Keep living your happy fucking life, the slave too ignorant to know he is a slave, it's perfect harmony.

 

I enjoy capitalism. It has made my life much more pleasant that it would have been if humans still lived as hunter-gatherers.

Besides, what's the alternative?

 

I dig it too, we all do. We've been raised too. But that part of you that enjoys it. that's not really you, just your ego. The obvious alternative is communism, which is a great idea but it doesn't work because of the power corruption, human natures too fucked up to do good things.... so check it, you gotta be creative bro. work the system, play it, make your own system, make it work. You can do whatever, the universe bends to your will as long as you aren't blind.

 

It's human nature to enjoy pleasure, which is what capitalism produces.