omm sweep

[Boxur227]

Not necessarily a community suggestion but something that should be done, nonetheless.

Hopefully no particular member feels I'm directly attacking them while reading this thread.

Furthermore, I was recently browsing around and took a quick glimpse of the current active users list and noticed a member that I have personally never seen before, with a line under his name (omm distinction).

After refreshing the page of his user profile, he immediately logged off. Once I noticed he logged off or set his status to appear offline I took the liberty of going to the official list of omm's to see if he was listed - he was not.

I took a browse through his recent posts and they were well past a month. Aside from his past post, it appears his last actual activity as an omm was 5-months ago.

What am I suggesting? - A complete sweep of inactive OMM's. Such as this user, I'm positive there are other members who have the OMM rank that are entirely inactive and possibly have no intentions of returning.

Why am I suggesting this? - My concern of having inactive OMM's that have left the forum entirely is that they could possibly be hacked, or sell their accounts on a black-market to scam mass amounts of gold or real currency.

tl;dr version - there's a lot of members with the omm rank that aren't on the omm list, all of which have either taken a leave of absence or completely retired, yet still hold the rank. Their rank should be revoked until they've proven their identity - to possibly prevent future scams due to being hacked or selling their accounts to an individual with malicious intent.

To clarify, i'm not suggesting re-applying to re-establish your community reputation. I understand how frustrating the process of becoming an omm is.

If the user is inactive for a specific time frame (5 months is too long), their rank should be taken and held until they can provide the evidence needed to reclaim their identity.

However, I also think you should have a minimal mm trades you have to maintain such as modscore, even if it's 1.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

Not necessarily a community suggestion but something that should be done, nonetheless.

Hopefully no particular member feels I'm directly attacking them while reading this thread.

Furthermore, I was recently browsing around and took a quick glimpse of the current active users list and noticed a member that I have personally never seen before, with a line under his name (omm distinction).

After refreshing the page of his user profile, he immediately logged off. Once I noticed he logged off or set his status to appear offline I took the liberty of going to the official list of omm's to see if he was listed - he was not.

I took a browse through his recent posts and they were well past a month. Aside from his past post, it appears his last actual activity as an omm was 5-months ago.

What am I suggesting? - A complete sweep of inactive OMM's. Such as this user, I'm positive there are other members who have the OMM rank that are entirely inactive and possibly have no intentions of returning.

Why am I suggesting this? - My concern of having inactive OMM's that have left the forum entirely is that they could possibly be hacked, or sell their accounts on a black-market to scam mass amounts of gold or real currency.

tl;dr version - there's a lot of members with the omm rank that aren't on the omm list, all of which have either taken a leave of absence or completely retired, yet still hold the rank. Their rank should be revoked until they've proven their identity - to possibly prevent future scams due to being hacked or selling their accounts to an individual with malicious intent.

OMM's have to do a lot to earn the rank, they shouldn't lose it. I'm not up for supporting this, especially after the effort taken. Some users have the OMM rank taken off them, such as kabal (not sure why), but I'm sure the ones with it left are because of a reason, such as logging in every so often. If that applies, should those with highly trusted/respected lose their ranks after a while?

 

This already exists. If an OMM is inactive (does not log-on to sythe) for 90 days then they will lose the rank. To return they must be active again and MM trades and then it wil be voted on whether they will return or not. Perhaps the enforcement of this has gotten a bit lax however - I've not checked. Here is an example of where it was enforced however: http://www.sythe.org/members/86531-kabal.html (He was an OMM but has been inactive and has since had his rank removed)

If it is manually removed then perhaps Matthew could write a brief piece of code to automate the process?

 

OMMs lose their OMM status after long time of inactivity. 5 months is not that bad, you can see on first pages of Middlemanning section which OMMs are active. OMMs are like the most trusted people around here, they dont sell their accounts, it would be too easy to find out.
And yeah I agree with that OMM list not up to date for long months if not years now.
I think the best way to add current OMMs to list is making them PM head OMM - N4N0

 

Why would we force an OMM to keep middle manning when the rank represents nothing but trust ?

No support.

 

[Boxur227]

OMM's have to do a lot to earn the rank, they shouldn't lose it. I'm not up for supporting this, especially after the effort taken. Some users have the OMM rank taken off them, such as kabal (not sure why), but I'm sure the ones with it left are because of a reason, such as logging in every so often. If that applies, should those with highly trusted/respected lose their ranks after a while?

It should if they're completely inactive. Arguing that it takes a lot of work to become an OMM and that they're 100% trustworthy is bullshit. As if they're above the rest and have/will never scam.

I'm sure in the past omm's along with mods have scammed. This is just extra precaution. If your last middleman service was preformed 5-months ago, you should loose the rank and be required to "re-certify" yourself.

This already exists. If an OMM is inactive (does not log-on to sythe) for 90 days then they will lose the rank. To return they must be active again and MM trades and then it wil be voted on whether they will return or not. Perhaps the enforcement of this has gotten a bit lax however - I've not checked. Here is an example of where it was enforced however: http://www.sythe.org/members/86531-kabal.html (He was an OMM but has been inactive and has since had his rank removed)

If it is manually removed then perhaps Matthew could write a brief piece of code to automate the process?

OMMs lose their OMM status after long time of inactivity. 5 months is not that bad, you can see on first pages of Middlemanning section which OMMs are active. OMMs are like the most trusted people around here, they dont sell their accounts, it would be too easy to find out.
And yeah I agree with that OMM list not up to date for long months if not years now.
I think the best way to add current OMMs to list is making them PM head OMM - N4N0

I'm not entirely sure how accurate this system is. The majority of the users I've found have been inactive for 4-months and haven't hit the 5th yet.

Why would we force an OMM to keep middle manning when the rank represents nothing but trust ?

No support.

lolwut? re-read what you just said.

If a mod is inactive and does not preform his/her duties, without telling anyone, do they keep their mod status?

 

It should if they're completely inactive. Arguing that it takes a lot of work to become an OMM and that they're 100% trustworthy is bullshit. As if they're above the rest and have/will never scam.

I'm sure in the past omm's along with mods have scammed. This is just extra precaution. If your last middleman service was preformed 5-months ago, you should loose the rank and be required to "re-certify" yourself.





I'm not entirely sure how accurate this system is. The majority of the users I've found have been inactive for 4-months and haven't hit the 5th yet.



lolwut? re-read what you just said.

If a mod is inactive and does not preform his/her duties, without telling anyone, do they keep their mod status?

They get ex-mod status and can eventually apply for mod again in staff lounge after voting.
Moderators are required to keep forums clean. OMMs just for making marketplace safer and representing their trustworthy. Some people cant MM trades anymore because of no time. They prooven that they're trustworth. Eventually OMM rank could be hidden after 90 days in rank menager, but I'm pretty sure losing status is nonsense.

 

[Boxur227]

They get ex-mod status and can eventually apply for mod again in staff lounge after voting.
Moderators are required to keep forums clean. OMMs just for making marketplace safer and representing their trustworthy. Some people cant MM trades anymore because of no time. They prooven that they're trustworth. Eventually OMM rank could be hidden after 90 days in rank menager, but I'm pretty sure losing status is nonsense.

OMM rank is the equivalent to a mod rank for the market, minus the powers.

Their rank depicts a service, if they're no longer an OMM they should have the rank revoked and changed to highly trusted. Just as mods get the ex-moderator rank.

 

[Syed]

Moderators are not official middlemen. Moderators are chosen, Official Middlemen are vetted. That's a clear and distinct difference between the two.

Also, I only support them getting de-ranked after 3 months of 0 inactivity(purely for their account's safety). To get it back, they have to MM at least 3 trades when they come back, and then they should be given their rank back, no questions, no poll(there's no reason to put someone who has already been vetted through the process again, it's quite a strict process).

 

OMM rank is the equivalent to a mod rank for the market, minus the powers.

Their rank depicts a service, if they're no longer an OMM they should have the rank revoked and changed to highly trusted.

Only like 3 people got highly trusted here. Official doesnt mean active middleman in any meaning of this word. Mods are normal users as us, they just got powers on forums because they were picked by upper staff because of their activity. There are mods with really few vouches and not trading at all. They dont finish application for their status like OMMs do, they dont have to meet with really high requirements comparing to powerbot, where like 50% of MMs are VMM shit. Try finishing application yourself and proove your legitimacy and see how hard is it to complete first application. Dont try to reduce amount of OMMs. It's fairly low anyways. Inactive ones are often active for some time. They arent like 'I dont want to touch MMing again' if they can, they help
It's pointless discussion, close this.

 

[Boxur227]

Moderators are not official middlemen. Moderators are chosen, Official Middlemen are vetted. That's a clear and distinct difference between the two.

Also, I only support them getting de-ranked after 3 months of 0 inactivity(purely for their account's safety). To get it back, they have to MM at least 3 trades, and then they should be given their rank back, no questions, no poll(there's no reason to put someone who has already been vetted through the process again, it's quite a strict process).

That's essentially what i'm purposing, you just stated it better.

 

lolwut? re-read what you just said.
If a mod is inactive and does not preform his/her duties, without telling anyone, do they keep their mod status?

Let me break that down for you.

Being a mod gives you duties and tasks, you'll need to earn x amount of "modscore" each month to stay a moderator.

Being an OMM does NOT give you any duties and/or tasks. Removing their rank because they have failed in YOUR eyes seems ridiculous to me, as the "OMM" rank is nothing but a trust symbol.

 

[Syed]

That's essentially what i'm purposing, you just stated it better.

Looking back I don't think 3 trades is fair, they should just simply be confirmed to be who they are and given the rank back. But sure, I agree with you and thought this was already in place.

Also just to be clear I'm only supporting this if the middlemen have 0 activity at all in any section for 3 months.

 

[Boxur227]

Let me break that down for you.

Being a mod gives you duties and tasks, you'll need to earn x amount of "modscore" each month to stay a moderator.

Being an OMM does NOT give you any duties and/or tasks. Removing their rank because they have failed in YOUR eyes seems ridiculous to me, as the "OMM" rank is nothing but a trust symbol.

Being an omm gives you a task - middlemanning. Having the title "middleman" is performing a service, a job.

Looking back I don't think 3 trades is fair, they should just simply be confirmed to be who they are and given the rank back. But sure, I agree with you and thought this was already in place.

Also just to be clear I'm only supporting this if the middlemen have 0 activity at all in any section for 3 months.

I feel they should be responsible to middleman at least one trade per month.

 

[Heeatz]

Yaroow sums this up perfectly. No support.

Boxur you are incorrect. OMM does not give them a duty to middeman.

 

[Boxur227]

Yaroow sums this up perfectly. No support.

Not even close.

The title "official middle man" essentially means "highly trusted".

To become a moderator you play a roll within the community. Reporting spam, discovering ban evaders, etc - all play a part of becoming a moderator. You're technically providing a service for the community which you're possibly awarded the status.

To become an official middle man you play a similar roll within the community. Alike reporting spam, discovering ban evaders - you're offering your service (middle-manning) which eventually rewards you with the status if staff selects you.

Just because you get the credentials to become a middle man does not mean you will be selected, the same applies to being a moderator.

To become a middle-man you have to provide a service. Why should you be awarded the rank and then quit? If that's the case they should have an ex-middle man rank.

 

no support.

i understand the risk and feel u on some of the possible outcomes of inactive OMM's, To much is given to be a OMM just to have it removed when irl problems occur. It hasnt been a issue, the system in place now is far.

 

[Snow Patrol]

Looking back I don't think 3 trades is fair, they should just simply be confirmed to be who they are and given the rank back. But sure, I agree with you and thought this was already in place.

Also just to be clear I'm only supporting this if the middlemen have 0 activity at all in any section for 3 months.

I'm cool with this. The OMM application is insanely rigorous and I don't think someone who's already gone through the process should have to go through it again.

However there have been highly trusted users who've been hacked (Pen? IIRC), so a simple mod/admin confirmation of who you are should suffice if you wish to make a return to the boards after a leave of absence.

 

[Heeatz]

Not even close.

The title "official middle man" essentially means "highly trusted".

To become a moderator you play a roll within the community. Reporting spam, discovering ban evaders, etc - all play a part of becoming a moderator. You're technically providing a service for the community which you're possibly awarded the status.

To become an official middle man you play a similar roll within the community. Alike reporting spam, discovering ban evaders - you're offering your service (middle-manning) which eventually rewards you with the status if staff selects you.

Just because you get the credentials to become a middle man does not mean you will be selected, the same applies to being a moderator.

To become a middle-man you have to provide a service. Why should you be awarded the rank and then quit? If that's the case they should have an ex-middle man rank.

So if you were a 'Highly trusted', you should never stop trading or if you become inactive you should have it stripped?

 

[Snow Patrol]

Not even close.

The title "official middle man" essentially means "highly trusted".

To become a moderator you play a roll within the community. Reporting spam, discovering ban evaders, etc - all play a part of becoming a moderator. You're technically providing a service for the community which you're possibly awarded the status.

To become an official middle man you play a similar roll within the community. Alike reporting spam, discovering ban evaders - you're offering your service (middle-manning) which eventually rewards you with the status if staff selects you.

Just because you get the credentials to become a middle man does not mean you will be selected, the same applies to being a moderator.

To become a middle-man you have to provide a service. Why should you be awarded the rank and then quit? If that's the case they should have an ex-middle man rank.

Imo, the rank simply shows that you've proven yourself worthy of being an official middleman, the choice of whether or not to middleman is up to that particular person.

A service =/= A duty/obligation, I think you have the two grouped together.