OMM Support/Feedback

[dorianking]

Why would the OMM team, regardless of prior applications, accept an individual who's rarely found outside of his own thread in the market?

The point of an OMM is a person who deals with market and all of it's trades. Yes, I agree that I am only most active in the market; but what does being active in say, the spam forum or political debates section of the forum have to do with the validity of the status of OMM.

I do not post much because I hate spamming, I usually only post things that are worthy of posting. I know so many people who have like 2k+ posts but just spam something like "bump" (I never bump spam, I always delete my old post) or something stupid that has already been said in the thread like, "do you accept PP" or "if you ever accept PP, contact me". Vietballer who was an OMM, had less than 750 posts and he got OMM so the argument that you need to be highly active is invalid.

Also, JohnK, I only was trying to talk to "admins/globals" as they were the ones who vote. I still try to talk to other mods, but I hardly talk talk to them because we usually have nothing in common or it is something business-related.

 

[Rohail]

Where on earth have you been hiding?

I've decided to make a return .

The point of an OMM is a person who deals with market and all of it's trades. Yes, I agree that I am only most active in the market; but what does being active in say, the spam forum or political debates section of the forum have to do with the validity of the status of OMM.

I do not post much because I hate spamming, I usually only post things that are worthy of posting. I know so many people who have like 2k+ posts but just spam something like "bump" (I never bump spam, I always delete my old post) or something stupid that has already been said in the thread like, "do you accept PP" or "if you ever accept PP, contact me". Vietballer who was an OMM, had less than 750 posts and he got OMM so the argument that you need to be highly active is invalid.

Also, JohnK, I only was trying to talk to "admins/globals" as they were the ones who vote. I still try to talk to other mods, but I hardly talk talk to them because we usually have nothing in common or it is something business-related.

I defintely agree with the statement "the point of an OMM is a person who deals with market and all of it's trades" but people (including admins/globals who vote on your application) get to see who you really are when you're active outside of the market. You don't have to always post in the spam forum or join political debates. Maybe venture into the off-topic or Runescape General section once in a while and get to know people as well as express yourself so people know the real you...

Also, the Vietballer comment is hard to comment upon as he was around since 2005 and was probably one of the earlier OMM's. By this I mean that there were different standards back then and etc.

Don't get discouraged, keep MMing, apply again, but make sure to have done these things after people get to know you .

Good luck!

 

[JohnK]

The point of an OMM is a person who deals with market and all of it's trades. Yes, I agree that I am only most active in the market; but what does being active in say, the spam forum or political debates section of the forum have to do with the validity of the status of OMM.

I do not post much because I hate spamming, I usually only post things that are worthy of posting. I know so many people who have like 2k+ posts but just spam something like "bump" (I never bump spam, I always delete my old post) or something stupid that has already been said in the thread like, "do you accept PP" or "if you ever accept PP, contact me". Vietballer who was an OMM, had less than 750 posts and he got OMM so the argument that you need to be highly active is invalid.

Also, JohnK, I only was trying to talk to "admins/globals" as they were the ones who vote. I still try to talk to other mods, but I hardly talk talk to them because we usually have nothing in common or it is something business-related.

Basically what Rohail said. The point was the staff really need to get to know you and your character, who you actually are, what you're about, etc. You are OMMing for the community that you aren't really apart of. Vietballer was also accepted as an OMM like 4 years ago, so obviously things were a lot different back then. Just my opinion.

 

[Sin666]

I have no idea where to put this section, but I would assume it deals with Sythe and it's members which is why I posted here in the Support section. Anyways, here goes:

A couple of days ago, Nick apologized to me saying I was denied OMM again? I was completely shocked and I was definitely working through some mixed feelings these last 2 days, however I am posting now this in a small effort to hopefully seek light of the situation.

In reality, a little part of me was not expecting this decision. However, the other part knew Sythe staff had something on me that I could never put my finger on, so the denial came more of a casual acceptance rather than a surprise. The staff use this "no discussing about the secrets of staff lounge discussion" and I agree that many matters should not be exposed out into the community, however, when you are basically scrutinizing me (which is understandable as OMM is the highest rank for a normal member), I feel it is unjust to hide behind the barriers of staff lounge and give me a final decision without criticism about what to improve upon for the next application. Granted, the staff reserve the right to this power, however, when I get multiple denials, I find it unjust to hide behind previous said "staff walls". Some staff members have been very kind to me and given me a valid reason(s) and suggestion for improvements which I appreciate from the bottom of my heart so much. But with each denial, I fix the issues they tell me every time and the denial this time is no different. I seek the reason(s) what or why, rather than pointing fingers and blaming the staff for denying me. It has gotten to the point that Nick says I should no longer apply because all valid reasons that I was given have been fixed; but merely my past cannot be forgiven which according to Firez, "only time can heal" which brings me to the next point.

I had to clear the air for the Hack Forums which occurred in the past 1.5 years ago (as pardons can be granted 6 months after). I believe that is sufficient time, and if not, I plea the staff to give me a time frame that is required to see that what "questionable/malicious behavior" I had tried to do in the past is behind me and to show that I have moved on and matured. For starters, I have openly created a thread about my Hack Forums explaining my past for everyone on Sythe to visibly see and I understand the grant of my pardon does not excuse my behavior as Sin has said. However, I moved on with my life and willing to admit things that I have done wrong is sign of maturity which according to Corey is a requirement for an OMM. In the same thread of my Hack Forums thread, Sin she says that "she would never forevermore deny my application but that I must prove myself worthy of the trust that is required for the OMM rank." When I inquired her further, she simply said that I must do bigger trades and get to know the staff better. On top of this, in the same thread, both Finn and Firez (in a PM) agree that with my denials I have had "a calm and collective demeanor each time", which they both agree is a further sign of maturity which I agree as it's been very hard for me to not get another denial and lash out in any form or manner.

The main suggestion from all the staff that I inquired about being an OMM is to be "more trusted". I would assume that is the general consensus of the Sythe people itself plus the staff and I cannot really deal with that issue except through active trading, which I have been doing such through the RS Market throughout most of my Sythe career and I have had no accusations of scam or anything of such sort albeit this only shows very little. However, this is a sign that I am to be trusted through the community, not to mention, I have many recommendations from many of the previous and current staff members in my application and with each application, I always get a couple more notable members to vouch me. Granted, I realize this may mean very little and that, ultimately, the fact is, I have very few Sythe staff Global mods/Sythe administrator vouches (who ultimately are the people who vote on my application), but this is due to me never getting the opportunity to deal with those said staff in trades to prove/show my trust, therefore, many staff can and will not vouch me for nothing which is understandable as they have no idea of my personality. However, rectifying this situation is still unknown to me and how this can be done, I implore you to shed some light. As many of the staff are aware, I try to converse with many of the staff members through IRC, Facebook and etc in order talk to them more, which I believe they think/know and believe that I have an ulterior motive which is I cannot say is untrue, however this comes from me just at lost for direction in seek of guidance rather than being malicious. Getting true friends come naturally and I agree that I may have forced it, however that reason is not valid enough for the behavior to be excusable but something it is something I would like to address here in this letter. Moving on, in dealing with this "being more trusted", Nick has said that "You need to be more trusted and show that you can MM bigger trades". In my application this time, I sought only trades that were of IRL money for RSGP which according to Nick, "It's better to have GP for USD versus accounts. Account values are subjective." All of my trades this time were only of Money for RSGP; to boot, they were are 500M+ which according to Nick "500M+ is consider large enough to vanish these ghosts (ghosts of my past from HF)". This issue has lead me to believe why many of the Sythe Staff doubt me, they simply believe I was not trusted enough. In my application this time, I have shown clear indications that I can easily handle such big trades and whatever was an issue last time should not be the same case this time.

In conclusion, I thank any staff or any other members that has read this letter regardless whether they choose to post their thoughts or not. As said before, I find it upsetting that I was denied (as anyone would be) but not be given a valid reason this time and just asked, "give up hope". All I ask from the staff is that they either let me explain any behaviors that were questionable openly to the staff and all Sythe members which, hopefully is enough valid reason to put my application up for re-consideration/re-vote or enough reason to submit another application without the error of my ways in the past being a hindrance.

I still think the re-application process desperately needs to be revised; frankly, time does matter. However, on the issue of providing the reasons that your application was rejected, I don't see the point. The issues brought up can be as vague and simple as "I get a bad vibe from him," while still being entirely valid. Remember, an OMM rank is more or less permanent - the staff not only have to believe that you're not a scammer now, but that you never would be in any situation at any point in time, and it takes a lot of faith to assert that about any member.

 

[dorianking]

As said before, I have no idea how to interact with global/admins. Nor do I know where they hang out; I usually talk to Verts a lot in the IRC but now the IRC got cut I believe as I can't log in there anymore. And, as I said in the OP, any time I would newly talk to the staff, they would think I have an ulterior motive/just approaching them for the sake of it.

As Nick said, it has gotten to the point that being active on the forums is such a small fact that "re-applying would just be a waste of my time."

It also is strange that I have seen many admins/global pass through this thread and not said anything/give suggestions which is a clear indication that they have A) have something against me (slight possibility) B) have some kind of red flag/something I did in the past/present that they don't want to reveal which is why I keep getting consistently denied. No one gets denied this many times without some red flag, which the staff won't reveal.

As Hahanerd said, I have dealt with more money that some of the OMMs now and yet, there is no recognition of it so something is hindering me which I want to find out. I ask other members (the community overall) for feedback; yes and I appreciate many of your comments. However, the opinion/suggestions of Global/Admins matters just or even more as they make the final decision.

Edit: I, for the record, am not blaming the staff in anyway for denying my application but I just want to know what I can do better in the future, or possibly appeal their decision on my latest application if I can explain any situation they have against me. I know much of the staff probably see my desperateness as a sign of future scamming, which I honestly believe is the reason I keep getting denied; however, I can't hide the fact that I truly strive for the rank as a goal; not because I'm looking for a big(ger) scam in the future.

I still think the re-application process desperately needs to be revised; frankly, time does matter. However, on the issue of providing the reasons that your application was rejected, I don't see the point. The issues brought up can be as vague and simple as "I get a bad vibe from him," while still being entirely valid. Remember, an OMM rank is more or less permanent - the staff not only have to believe that you're not a scammer now, but that you never would be in any situation at any point in time, and it takes a lot of faith to assert that about any member.

I am aware that I somehow portray this "bad vibe" to the staff, but how is that removed? It is usually done through trading actively which I have been doing; I run a decently successful buying/selling Gold shop thread. I have had no reports of scammers or members saying "Beware this member, he's a TWC". Through my threads, I've had many members vouch for my legitimacy, I've made tons of market friends throughout the community; if you see many of the active traders, they all vouched toward my application of OMM which means that their recommendation shows that they have the confidence that I am to be trusted. My recommendations alone from the members in the community is more than a lot of the current OMMs. I'm aware that means very little but I just wanted to point it out.

 

[Insane Gods]

I think your HF background is working against you, my two cents.

 

[Bubba Fuzz]

Just a thought but if Dorian was going to wait to pull off some big scam he could probably already do it. With his large amount of vouches it wouldn't be hard to scam thousands of dollars, I doubt OMM would really change much since most users go first anyways.

 

[Lured Yah]

Dorian, I think the posts that mention your activity mean this:
Why trust someone noone knows? (sorry if it sounds harsh)

tell me honestly, would you trust every big trader on sythe? or would you prefer trading with one you know?

Same goes here, the staff barely knows you therefore they do not want to risk anything.
Goodluck anyways

 

[dorianking]

I think your HF background is working against you, my two cents.

I agree, but the issue is I can't change the past. I can only show that I have moved on and show that I have changed; I don't know what that entails in the staff's mind which is the point of making this thread.

Dorian, I think the posts that mention your activity mean this:
Why trust someone noone knows? (sorry if it sounds harsh)

tell me honestly, would you trust every big trader on sythe? or would you prefer trading with one you know?
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Same goes here, the staff barely knows you therefore they do not want to risk anything.
Goodluck anyways

I would trust most, if not all big traders that have good reputation. The thing that would deter me the most from people is not their legitimacy, but their customer service/attitude.

The reason people get big names is their legitimacy; then prices, then usually customer service. I have only talked with Viou and did small chatter which means I never really got to know him that well; however I am absolutely positive that I can trust him if I were to go first. I would go by the overall community's response to a person's reputation; not only what the staff think; I think that is one of the purposes of the recommendation(s) from the OMM application. It is to show that the community members support you and know that you would not scam in the present or in the future and obviously the more you get, the better it looks and I've had numerous past/present members vouch for me.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

So that'll be your excused when you're denied? You don't, "kiss enough ass", even though you, the almighty punkerpunk13, truly deserves the title and rank. Interesting.

Yeah, because I said that. I love how you always try and twist words. Just shows how much of a little cunt you are, and always have been. You obviously had no real reply to what I said, but just wanted to be a little bitch and try and manipulate my words. Your cool?

 

[Austintheman]

Don't bring post count into if he should be an Omn or not, you guys do know that Sacro got mod with ~300 posts?
Posts means nothing. Him not posting doesn't make him unactive, and why should he post somewhere out of the market if that's where he likes to hang out at.

Good luck Dorian

 

[Sanctuary]

Yeah, because I said that. I love how you always try and twist words. Just shows how much of a little cunt you are, and always have been. You obviously had no real reply to what I said, but just wanted to be a little bitch and try and manipulate my words. Your cool?

It was clearly implied in the way you wrote it. I'm sure a persons characteristics and how they carry themselves is a huge roll. If they don't know the person, how can they accurately judge whether or not they'd be an asset to the team? They don't want to risk having class-A douchebags, like yourself, on the team. It smears the name of OMM.

PS: Maybe if you PM me more bragging about the masses and masses of trades you've completed I'll change my mind.

Don't bring post count into if he should be an Omn or not, you guys do know that Sacro got mod with ~300 posts?
Posts means nothing. Him not posting doesn't make him unactive, and why should he post somewhere out of the market if that's where he likes to hang out at.

Good luck Dorian

You're right, post count alone isn't, and shouldn't be, the deciding factor. But here's the difference - unlike Dorian, Sacro was extremely active in IRC and they got to know, and trust him. It's not "kissing ass", it's building a relationship, if you will.

 

[BassSwagg]

I don't think anything HHN says should dictate what any of us think your posts are almost invalid you guys are business partners, he would support you no matter what.

P.s I don't trust you anymore then I trust Plznate.

 

When we vote on OMM applications, we look at the big picture. There are so many factors involved, directly and indirectly. Even a bad vibe alone could be enough for one to vote no. Basically, if everything doesn't aline just perfect, you will be denied. We, the staff, have to make judgement calls for the greater good of Sythe.org. One bad judgement call, and the "prestigious" OMM rank would be tainted for some time. In our eyes, it is better to deny a honest member of the OMM rank, rather than carelessly giving out the OMM rank. If you are indeed an honest member, it will eventually show, and you will gain our trust. Honest members will remain doing honest business, while the scammers will eventually crack. (kamakazy_kid, sneak82, lovable, G Unot, the list goes on and on)

My advice is to stay on the right path, get more active, and show your real self (step away from being strictly business).