OMM Support/Feedback

[dorianking]

I have no idea where to put this section, but I would assume it deals with Sythe and it's members which is why I posted here in the Support section. Anyways, here goes:

A couple of days ago, Nick apologized to me saying I was denied OMM again? I was completely shocked and I was definitely working through some mixed feelings these last 2 days, however I am posting now this in a small effort to hopefully seek light of the situation.

In reality, a little part of me was not expecting this decision. However, the other part knew Sythe staff had something on me that I could never put my finger on, so the denial came more of a casual acceptance rather than a surprise. The staff use this "no discussing about the secrets of staff lounge discussion" and I agree that many matters should not be exposed out into the community, however, when you are basically scrutinizing me (which is understandable as OMM is the highest rank for a normal member), I feel it is unjust to hide behind the barriers of staff lounge and give me a final decision without criticism about what to improve upon for the next application. Granted, the staff reserve the right to this power, however, when I get multiple denials, I find it unjust to hide behind previous said "staff walls". Some staff members have been very kind to me and given me a valid reason(s) and suggestion for improvements which I appreciate from the bottom of my heart so much. But with each denial, I fix the issues they tell me every time and the denial this time is no different. I seek the reason(s) what or why, rather than pointing fingers and blaming the staff for denying me. It has gotten to the point that Nick says I should no longer apply because all valid reasons that I was given have been fixed; but merely my past cannot be forgiven which according to Firez, "only time can heal" which brings me to the next point.

I had to clear the air for the Hack Forums which occurred in the past 1.5 years ago (as pardons can be granted 6 months after). I believe that is sufficient time, and if not, I plea the staff to give me a time frame that is required to see that what "questionable/malicious behavior" I had tried to do in the past is behind me and to show that I have moved on and matured. For starters, I have openly created a thread about my Hack Forums explaining my past for everyone on Sythe to visibly see and I understand the grant of my pardon does not excuse my behavior as Sin has said. However, I moved on with my life and willing to admit things that I have done wrong is sign of maturity which according to Corey is a requirement for an OMM. In the same thread of my Hack Forums thread, Sin she says that "she would never forevermore deny my application but that I must prove myself worthy of the trust that is required for the OMM rank." When I inquired her further, she simply said that I must do bigger trades and get to know the staff better. On top of this, in the same thread, both Finn and Firez (in a PM) agree that with my denials I have had "a calm and collective demeanor each time", which they both agree is a further sign of maturity which I agree as it's been very hard for me to not get another denial and lash out in any form or manner.

The main suggestion from all the staff that I inquired about being an OMM is to be "more trusted". I would assume that is the general consensus of the Sythe people itself plus the staff and I cannot really deal with that issue except through active trading, which I have been doing such through the RS Market throughout most of my Sythe career and I have had no accusations of scam or anything of such sort albeit this only shows very little. However, this is a sign that I am to be trusted through the community, not to mention, I have many recommendations from many of the previous and current staff members in my application and with each application, I always get a couple more notable members to vouch me. Granted, I realize this may mean very little and that, ultimately, the fact is, I have very few Sythe staff Global mods/Sythe administrator vouches (who ultimately are the people who vote on my application), but this is due to me never getting the opportunity to deal with those said staff in trades to prove/show my trust, therefore, many staff can and will not vouch me for nothing which is understandable as they have no idea of my personality. However, rectifying this situation is still unknown to me and how this can be done, I implore you to shed some light. As many of the staff are aware, I try to converse with many of the staff members through IRC, Facebook and etc in order talk to them more, which I believe they think/know and believe that I have an ulterior motive which is I cannot say is untrue, however this comes from me just at lost for direction in seek of guidance rather than being malicious. Getting true friends come naturally and I agree that I may have forced it, however that reason is not valid enough for the behavior to be excusable but something it is something I would like to address here in this letter. Moving on, in dealing with this "being more trusted", Nick has said that "You need to be more trusted and show that you can MM bigger trades". In my application this time, I sought only trades that were of IRL money for RSGP which according to Nick, "It's better to have GP for USD versus accounts. Account values are subjective." All of my trades this time were only of Money for RSGP; to boot, they were are 500M+ which according to Nick "500M+ is consider large enough to vanish these ghosts (ghosts of my past from HF)". This issue has lead me to believe why many of the Sythe Staff doubt me, they simply believe I was not trusted enough. In my application this time, I have shown clear indications that I can easily handle such big trades and whatever was an issue last time should not be the same case this time.

In conclusion, I thank any staff or any other members that has read this letter regardless whether they choose to post their thoughts or not. As said before, I find it upsetting that I was denied (as anyone would be) but not be given a valid reason this time and just asked, "give up hope". All I ask from the staff is that they either let me explain any behaviors that were questionable openly to the staff and all Sythe members which, hopefully is enough valid reason to put my application up for re-consideration/re-vote or enough reason to submit another application without the error of my ways in the past being a hindrance.

 

[Arcus Isidar]

I fully support this, Dorian is certainly OMM material despite what may have happened in the past. Everyone makes mistakes, Dorian is no different.
I think his consistency in making now, *THREE* complete OMM apps shows he isn't someone who will abuse the rank. He's tried over and over again, without showing anger towards staff, and has rather accepted their decision.

Good luck Dorian hope you get it, if not this time, next

 

I just wonder how they could accept previous members with the old requirements, and he has practically done 5x those requirements and at least 2x current ones.

Open criticism makes you improve, but you are demotivating Dorian to continue showing he is to be trusted and that he can help the site making it safer.

I hope you get OMM Dorian.

 

[.Logan.]

Although this almost certainly won't mean anything but I support this. To me it seems like he as the motovation, credibility and manner(s) any and every OMM should boast. Whatever happened in his past should be countered by the progress he has made positively.

 

[Bubba Fuzz]

Your deserve it, I really don't see why you shouldn't have OMM, your profesional, trusted and helpful. I fully support you getting OMM.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

I'm really not positive on what this thread is about.. Is it just to get out the point that you didn't get omm? There's no valid reason as to why they have to give it to you. With your background, I wouldn't choose you as an OMM to save my life.. OMM's need sturdy backgrounds, you obviously don't have one. I do think some of your MM's were shady as well. MM'ing trades for hahanerd (your partner) is just ridiculous..

I'd rather deny somebody OMM for a third time than later on regret it later..

 

[dorianking]

I'm really not positive on what this thread is about.. Is it just to get out the point that you didn't get omm? There's no valid reason as to why they have to give it to you. With your background, I wouldn't choose you as an OMM to save my life.. OMM's need sturdy backgrounds, you obviously don't have one. I do think some of your MM's were shady as well. MM'ing trades for hahanerd (your partner) is just ridiculous..

I'd rather deny somebody OMM for a third time than later on regret it later..

No, the point of this thread is to ask what I can do to improve for the next application if I were to do another or re-consider the current one if allowed (there is always an appeal system in most decisions).

So you are saying that mistakes in the past means that you can't be an OMM. Should that not mean n4n0 or Finn should not be OMM since they both admitted and were pardoned for scamming in the past. The past, I agree is something that would be looked at for an OMM, but it doesn't/shouldn't account for the whole picture.

The MM for Hahanerd was just one, being partners doesn't mean trust for RSGP doesn't exist. Not to mention, it is only one out of the 9 trades.

If I remember correctly, Alex (unb4ann3d) did 3+ applications, yet he still got OMM. So your point about denying OMM 3+ plus is invalid.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

No, the point of this thread is to ask what I can do to improve for the next application if I were to do another.

So you are saying that mistakes in the past means that you can't be an OMM. Should that not mean n4n0 or Finn should not be OMM since they both admitted and were pardoned for scamming in the past. The past, I agree is something that would be looked at for an OMM, but it doesn't account for the whole picture.

The MM for Hahanerd was just one, being partners doesn't mean trust for RSGP doesn't exist. Not to mention, it is only one out of the 9 trades.

If I remember correctly, Alex (unb4ann3d) did 3+ applications, yet he still got OMM. So your point about denying OMM 3+ plus is invalid.

Sorry, but are you claiming your anything like Finn and n4n0? N4n0 has literally everything over you. His trust was proven so much it's not even funny. There was no logical reason to deny him for OMM, but there is one for you. I don't know much about finn's trading past.

I don't recall saying people that been pardoned for things in the past shouldn't have a shot at OMM, but they should be heavily considered. With the not so recent things about OMM's scamming and such, it's really got to be heavily considered.

Some people consider OMM's as the most trusted users on the site (god knows why). To give that rank to somebody with a shady past as yours, is really just illogical.

I don't know much about you and what kind of trades you do, but the OMM rank shouldn't just be handed out.. I get that you've completed a few apps fully, but that really doesn't justify you becoming an OMM..


EDIT: I do agree that things don't add up, but you can't always go by what people say. When things don't always add up like they should in a trade, but I have a gut feeling, I go with that gut feeling. I do agree about the whole staff lounge thread as well by the way.

 

[RiD Creamy]

Sorry, but are you claiming your anything like Finn and n4n0? N4n0 has literally everything over you. His trust was proven so much it's not even funny. There was no logical reason to deny him for OMM, but there is one for you. I don't know much about finn's trading past.

I don't recall saying people that been pardoned for things in the past shouldn't have a shot at OMM, but they should be heavily considered. With the not so recent things about OMM's scamming and such, it's really got to be heavily considered.

Some people consider OMM's as the most trusted users on the site (god knows why). To give that rank to somebody with a shady past as yours, is really just illogical.

I don't know much about you and what kind of trades you do, but the OMM rank shouldn't just be handed out.. I get that you've completed a few apps fully, but that really doesn't justify you becoming an OMM..


EDIT: I do agree that things don't add up, but you can't always go by what people say. When things don't always add up like they should in a trade, but I have a gut feeling, I go with that gut feeling. I do agree about the whole staff lounge thread as well by the way.

I don't understand here how you can post saying that only the trusted of the trusted should get the OMM rank when you're saying that you "Don't know much" about Dorian...

If you don't know much about him then there's really no point in posting saying that he shouldn't get OMM if he's not trusted because by the looks of the posts above, if you knew even the slightest about him you'd know he's a very legit guy..

The fact that all people make mistakes in the past is true for nearly everyone but when people have obviously changed their ways over a period of time and done everything they can to redeem themselves it just shows that he's very passionate about the fact he wants to be recognized for who he is now, rather than his previous actions, which happened a long time ago.

Just seems to me that it's wrong of you to oppose him yet say you don't know much about him at all..

 

[dorianking]

Sorry, but are you claiming your anything like Finn and n4n0? N4n0 has literally everything over you. His trust was proven so much it's not even funny. There was no logical reason to deny him for OMM, but there is one for you. I don't know much about finn's trading past.

I don't recall saying people that been pardoned for things in the past shouldn't have a shot at OMM, but they should be heavily considered. With the not so recent things about OMM's scamming and such, it's really got to be heavily considered.

Some people consider OMM's as the most trusted users on the site (god knows why). To give that rank to somebody with a shady past as yours, is really just illogical.

I don't know much about you and what kind of trades you do, but the OMM rank shouldn't just be handed out.. I get that you've completed a few apps fully, but that really doesn't justify you becoming an OMM..


EDIT: I do agree that things don't add up, but you can't always go by what people say. When things don't always add up like they should in a trade, but I have a gut feeling, I go with that gut feeling. I do agree about the whole staff lounge thread as well by the way.

I never claimed I am like Finn or n4n0, but I stated them as examples. I agree with you that people with a shady background should be heavily considered, which is why as I stated before, I am writing to ask the staff and other members on what I can do in the future to strengthen my reputation and/or future applications or reconsider my current application (most decisions have an appeal system).

The point of this thread wasn't so members can just spam the thread saying "Your past is too sketchy, the staff was right". That isn't the criticism that I need or want. I want to have some constructive criticism on areas to improve in the present. I cannot change the past and if I could, I would have done it already.

You say you don't know me well, but you are certainly passing along quite a bit of judgment in this thread despite that, so I have no idea what you have against me but if you want to clear the air, you can do so through many ways: PM, MSN or etc.

 

Have you ever thought about making your OMM application easier to read? It's hard for the staff to take time to actually go through all of your trades when your OMM application is ridiculously long.

I suggest you try to be more organized.

 

[WeRnIE]

Dorian, you are not active enough.

You are registered since 2008, but I have never saw you anywhere on the site, maybe saw several your posts in a market section and that's all.

I suggest you to be more active, communicate more.

And if what TheTruth said is true, then you need to improve our attitude too.

 

[Simple Merchant]

I don't know why you waste your time with this Dorian, just seems to me like it is too much of a hassle. People who are heavily market oriented will never get OMM unless we have friends in high places, and with your HF background its probably not possible even if you are legit now. Just get back to the market my friend

 

[Snow Patrol]

Whether it be soured relationships, previous wrongdoings, or past failures, time is the best healer.

 

[JohnK]

I seriously do not know you at all. You are no where near active enough, even in the IRC you barely talk, nor have you ever tried conversing with me (even when I have made attempts) which is contrary to what you have said. From the time you submitted your application, you made 12 posts (all in the market). In the last 2 months you made 99 posts, at least 90% of those posts in the market. I literally have never seen you around the community nor do I know anything about you. If there is one thing you should do and may be a hindrance on your having a successful application; it's improve your activity and presence within the community. Chin up mate, be persistent and you will get it.

 

I don't understand why you aren't OMM. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. You've gone through the application 3 times and have dealt with thousands. There's been OMMs out there that have done less than you and got the rank, but yet, you haven't got it yet. That's honestly a disappointing choice by the upper staff.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

I don't understand why you aren't OMM. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. You've gone through the application 3 times and have dealt with thousands. There's been OMMs out there that have done less than you and got the rank, but yet, you haven't got it yet. That's honestly a disappointing choice by the upper staff.

No offense to anybody, and I kind of guarantee this will hurt my credibility when I apply for OMM, but it's obvious that being friends with people really do change things. It's well more likely that somebody that hangs out in the IRC kissing ass will get a higher rank than somebody who truly deserves it.

 

[BassSwagg]

It's pretty known the only way to get accepted for omm is to be staff or ex staff and good friends with the staff. Other then Kabal, Burnley, Dingo. Everyone else has been staff or ex staff, or good friends with staff. The staff say there not biased they are.
Drenon(Punker) couldn't be more right

 

[Rohail]

No offense to anybody, and I kind of guarantee this will hurt my credibility when I apply for OMM, but it's obvious that being friends with people really do change things. It's well more likely that somebody that hangs out in the IRC kissing ass will get a higher rank than somebody who truly deserves it.

This is wrong to some extent. Obviously knowing people can get you places. Plus, talking to staff helps because they actually know the type of person you are through talking to them. However, in my case, I was never staff prior to becoming OMM and the only staff I ever really talked to was Tyro (and that was on and off).

It's pretty known the only way to get accepted for omm is to be staff or ex staff and good friends with the staff. Other then Kabal, Burnley, Dingo. Everyone else has been staff or ex staff, or good friends with staff. The staff say there not biased they are.
Drenon(Punker) couldn't be more right

Refer to my explanation above .

 

[Sanctuary]

I don't understand why you aren't OMM. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. You've gone through the application 3 times and have dealt with thousands. There's been OMMs out there that have done less than you and got the rank, but yet, you haven't got it yet. That's honestly a disappointing choice by the upper staff.

Why would the OMM team, regardless of prior applications, accept an individual who's rarely found outside of his own thread in the market?

JohnK answers it perfectly:

I seriously do not know you at all...From the time you submitted your application, you made 12 posts (all in the market). In the last 2 months you made 99 posts, at least 90% of those posts in the market. I literally have never seen you around the community nor do I know anything about you.

No offense to anybody, and I kind of guarantee this will hurt my credibility when I apply for OMM, but it's obvious that being friends with people really do change things. It's well more likely that somebody that hangs out in the IRC kissing ass will get a higher rank than somebody who truly deserves it.

So that'll be your excused when you're denied? You don't, "kiss enough ass", even though you, the almighty punkerpunk13, truly deserves the title and rank. Interesting.

This is wrong to some extent. Obviously knowing people can get you places. Plus, talking to staff helps because they actually know the type of person you are through talking to them. However, in my case, I was never staff prior to becoming OMM and the only staff I ever really talked to was Tyro (and that was on and off).



Refer to my explanation above .

Where on earth have you been hiding?