Deacon Frost
Grand Master
No more 2 + 2 = 5 arguments:<Vasily> It wouldn't be a tie
<Deacon> I'm not discussing this dude, you're not seeing my point
<Deacon> ok human knowledge is limited
<Vasily> I am seeing it
<Vasily> Yes
<Deacon> we can't even understand infinity
<Deacon> ok
<Vasily> We can grasp the basic concept
<Deacon> so how can we say we're right universally, when we can't even explain it
<Deacon> grasping a concept, and proving a concept are 2 very different things
<Vasily> We can say with close to 100% certainty that we are right
<Deacon> or 5 different things
<Vasily> We can't prove that the universe is infinite
<Deacon> we are right to our reality
<Deacon> but to the reality of the universe
<Deacon> we know jack
<Deacon> so math can't be universal, it is for us, but to other life forms it may be way off
<Deacon> its all about what we've been taught, and trained to know. yes, it works for us
<Vasily> If they were way off
<Deacon> yes it's right
<Deacon> but
<Vasily> Where 2 + 2 = 10,000
<Deacon> doesn't mean it's universal
<Vasily> They would lose that war
<Deacon> for us yes
<Vasily> And so would they
<Deacon> where as two aliens who can't be killed against 10,000 might be different in their mind
<Vasily> Say they're not different
<Vasily> They know no karate, etc.
<Vasily> They're just shitty without swords
<Vasily> They would lose
<Vasily> Badly
<Deacon> your missing my point
<Deacon> YES
<Deacon> true
<Deacon> very true
<Deacon> on earth 2 + 2 = 4
<Deacon> however
<Deacon> universally 2 + 2 may not even be equal to anything
<Deacon> it may be subtraction
<Vasily> Is there any evidence to support that?
<Vasily> Any reason to think that?
<Deacon> yes
<Deacon> infinity
<Deacon> cycles
<Vasily> Ok
<Vasily> What evidence is there that the laws of reality and logic are subject to change?
<Deacon> missing evidence
<Vasily> We don't have evidence about the entire universe, true
<Deacon> the lack of evidence suggests that it could be wrong, therefore... reasonable doubt
<Vasily> But from the evidence we do have, they're universal
<Deacon> but a good counter case would make any person think twice about 2 + 2
<Vasily> So yes
<Vasily> It's possible
<Deacon> hence why i believe what i believe
<Vasily> I see your point
<Vasily> Ok
<Vasily> But there is no evidence
<Vasily> I acknowledge that it's at least possible
<Vasily> But I still live my life as though reality and logic were absolute
<Deacon> oh yeah, i do too
<Deacon> i don't say "Oh, well, you gave me 10 dollars for a 5 dollar order, here's 1 dollar back"
<Vasily> olol
<Deacon> I do abide by man's logical laws
<Deacon> because it's what we know
<Deacon> i'm saying, that the possibility of it being flawed makes me unsafe to agree entirely with it
<Vasily> Ok
<Vasily> That makes sense
<Vasily> I understand what you're saying now
<Deacon> i still go with it, but I'm not about to say we're the smartest beings because we discovered a "universal" language
<Deacon>
<Vasily> You cannot prove logic *with* logic
<Deacon> i'm glad you do, not many people do
<Vasily>
That was mine with Vasily, he understood my point, as many of you were trying to debate me, you were in another ball field as to where I was coming from.
Read that, understand that, and you'll get it...
<Deacon> I'm not discussing this dude, you're not seeing my point
<Deacon> ok human knowledge is limited
<Vasily> I am seeing it
<Vasily> Yes
<Deacon> we can't even understand infinity
<Deacon> ok
<Vasily> We can grasp the basic concept
<Deacon> so how can we say we're right universally, when we can't even explain it
<Deacon> grasping a concept, and proving a concept are 2 very different things
<Vasily> We can say with close to 100% certainty that we are right
<Deacon> or 5 different things
<Vasily> We can't prove that the universe is infinite
<Deacon> we are right to our reality
<Deacon> but to the reality of the universe
<Deacon> we know jack
<Deacon> so math can't be universal, it is for us, but to other life forms it may be way off
<Deacon> its all about what we've been taught, and trained to know. yes, it works for us
<Vasily> If they were way off
<Deacon> yes it's right
<Deacon> but
<Vasily> Where 2 + 2 = 10,000
<Deacon> doesn't mean it's universal
<Vasily> They would lose that war
<Deacon> for us yes
<Vasily> And so would they
<Deacon> where as two aliens who can't be killed against 10,000 might be different in their mind
<Vasily> Say they're not different
<Vasily> They know no karate, etc.
<Vasily> They're just shitty without swords
<Vasily> They would lose
<Vasily> Badly
<Deacon> your missing my point
<Deacon> YES
<Deacon> true
<Deacon> very true
<Deacon> on earth 2 + 2 = 4
<Deacon> however
<Deacon> universally 2 + 2 may not even be equal to anything
<Deacon> it may be subtraction
<Vasily> Is there any evidence to support that?
<Vasily> Any reason to think that?
<Deacon> yes
<Deacon> infinity
<Deacon> cycles
<Vasily> Ok
<Vasily> What evidence is there that the laws of reality and logic are subject to change?
<Deacon> missing evidence
<Vasily> We don't have evidence about the entire universe, true
<Deacon> the lack of evidence suggests that it could be wrong, therefore... reasonable doubt
<Vasily> But from the evidence we do have, they're universal
<Deacon> but a good counter case would make any person think twice about 2 + 2
<Vasily> So yes
<Vasily> It's possible
<Deacon> hence why i believe what i believe
<Vasily> I see your point
<Vasily> Ok
<Vasily> But there is no evidence
<Vasily> I acknowledge that it's at least possible
<Vasily> But I still live my life as though reality and logic were absolute
<Deacon> oh yeah, i do too
<Deacon> i don't say "Oh, well, you gave me 10 dollars for a 5 dollar order, here's 1 dollar back"
<Vasily> olol
<Deacon> I do abide by man's logical laws
<Deacon> because it's what we know
<Deacon> i'm saying, that the possibility of it being flawed makes me unsafe to agree entirely with it
<Vasily> Ok
<Vasily> That makes sense
<Vasily> I understand what you're saying now
<Deacon> i still go with it, but I'm not about to say we're the smartest beings because we discovered a "universal" language
<Deacon>
<Vasily> You cannot prove logic *with* logic
<Deacon> i'm glad you do, not many people do
<Vasily>
That was mine with Vasily, he understood my point, as many of you were trying to debate me, you were in another ball field as to where I was coming from.
Read that, understand that, and you'll get it...
