Mexico has NO RIGHT to....

[Runit3hunt3r]

What are the interferences you are referring to? As I look back at American activity in the Middle East, I am finding that a lot of this is stemming from the Iranian Hostage Crisis in 1979. What triggered that was Carter allowing the Shah American medical services, which I would hardly call "interference." You can trace the history from there.

America trained and armed al queda to fight against the russians.
America supported armed and trained the israeli army.
America has had a dozen middle eastern politicians overthrown or killed over the years, including dozens of attempts on saddam hussein and a ridiculous ammount of failed attempts on castro (not that castro is middle eastern just an example of americas foreign policy).

 

[2percent]

America trained and armed al queda to fight against the russians.
America supported armed and trained the israeli army.
America has had a dozen middle eastern politicians overthrown or killed over the years, including dozens of attempts on saddam hussein and a ridiculous ammount of failed attempts on castro (not that castro is middle eastern just an example of americas foreign policy).

Well they (Al Qaeda) certainly have shown their thanks to us.
Listen, I am an Isolationist. I think America should stop being the "world police", and focus on our own problems. But I am not an Apologist. I don't have all the answers. I can't tell you why we do everything we do. As for Castro, I'm sure this had a lot to with it.

 

[Insidious Insinuations]

Terrorists are not after peace, they want to destroy those who do not agree with them. You cannot bargain with them. The only response is to stop them, with violence if necessary. It sounds mean, it sounds brutal, but there you have it.

I can guarantee you that if America got rid of this "liability", we would cease to exist. How could we? National defense is essential for any nation's survival.

How do you know terrorists aren't after peace? Can you name a terrorist that has ever said this? I'm very anti-terrorism but it is this dehumanizing that gives people blanket fear of things that aren't really what it is. If you actually listen to the demands of many 'terrorist' organizations it's along the lines of "Leave us, our religion and our country the fuck alone".

That is the definition. Merriam-Webster:


Even though there are many, many different forms of terrorism, they all have a goal in mind. It may be political, financial, or as is the case today, religious. The group that we mainly refer to today as "terrorists" are of course those who are attacking free nations around the world in the name of Allah.

I'm actually laughing at your ignorance. How does that definition equate to what you said?

Again, your ignorance is showing - tuck it between your legs and scuttle off to your local library. You're saying that all terrorists are Muslims? Shall I point you to the Tamil Tigers, the ETA or the IRA? I can name you a hell lot more, all of which existed pre-2001.

Ok heres the deal. Mexicans breed way too much. They are out breeding whites 10 to 1. By 2029 it is said that hispanics will be the majority population in the US.

The question is. Do you want the majority population of US to be people who do jobs like gardening, custodian, trash man, or do you want the majority of the US to be people of the same race that built the automobile(white) built the jet airplane(white), sent the first man to the moon(white), invented modern medicine(white), I could go on and on.

Not to be racist but its just a fact, mexicans are not as intelligent as whites.

I don't want illegal mexicans here, i dont want LEGAL mexicans here either.

Show me one mexican that has ever done anything beneficial to humanity and I will take back what I just said.

That is the most stupid and racist thing I've ever heard of.

Do you want the makers of such videos as "2 girls 1 cup", "1 guy, 1 jar" and "Jerry Springer" as the majority of Americans? Or the numerous idiots featured on failblog trying parkour and skateboarding?

Well they (Al Qaeda) certainly have shown their thanks to us.
Listen, I am an Isolationist. I think America should stop being the "world police", and focus on our own problems. But I am not an Apologist. I don't have all the answers. I can't tell you why we do everything we do. As for Castro, I'm sure this had a lot to with it.

Do yourself a favour - instead of spewing media propaganda like a drone, find out why and how Al-Qaeda is what it is today. The reasons may shock you and knock you off your high chair.

What are the interferences you are referring to? As I look back at American activity in the Middle East, I am finding that a lot of this is stemming from the Iranian Hostage Crisis in 1979. What triggered that was Carter allowing the Shah American medical services, which I would hardly call "interference." You can trace the history from there.

Now I feel you're just blatantly being ignorant.

 

[2percent]

How do you know terrorists aren't after peace? Can you name a terrorist that has ever said this? I'm very anti-terrorism but it is this dehumanizing that gives people blanket fear of things that aren't really what it is. If you actually listen to the demands of many 'terrorist' organizations it's along the lines of "Leave us, our religion and our country the fuck alone".

I'm actually laughing at your ignorance. How does that definition equate to what you said?

Again, your ignorance is showing - tuck it between your legs and scuttle off to your local library. You're saying that all terrorists are Muslims? Shall I point you to the Tamil Tigers, the ETA or the IRA? I can name you a hell lot more, all of which existed pre-2001.


Do yourself a favour - instead of spewing media propaganda like a drone, find out why and how Al-Qaeda is what it is today. The reasons may shock you and knock you off your high chair.

Now I feel you're just blatantly being ignorant.

Hey, I would love to have peace. Have you ever heard a terrorist organization say they were after peace? I don't think it is any more right than you do for America to invade other countries, and I would be perfectly happy if we left them alone. It has to be a two-way street though.

Shall we define coercion?

Definition of COERCE

transitive verb
1
: to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious &#8212; W. R. Inge>
2
: to compel to an act or choice <was coerced into agreeing>
3
: to achieve by force or threat <coerce compliance>

I think the third point is particularly what I am driving at. If you had noted what I wrote, I said there are many different terrorist organizations. I completely realize terrorism is not limited to any one group.

Spewing media propaganda? Most of what I have posted directly contradicts what the media drives at the American public. Instead of telling me I am ignorant, perhaps you could post why? I am always open to learning, and am always willing to change my opinions.

EDIT: Ok, this debate has derailed this thread. If you want to make a new thread specifically for this topic, please do. I will be more than happy to continue discussing it there.

 

[fashox]

I think this video is an interesting contribution to the debate.

http://vimeo.com/11485445

 

[blazinfasstt]

Hey, I would love to have peace. Have you ever heard a terrorist organization say they were after peace? I don't think it is any more right than you do for America to invade other countries, and I would be perfectly happy if we left them alone. It has to be a two-way street though.

Shall we define coercion?
I think the third point is particularly what I am driving at. If you had noted what I wrote, I said there are many different terrorist organizations. I completely realize terrorism is not limited to any one group.

Spewing media propaganda? Most of what I have posted directly contradicts what the media drives at the American public. Instead of telling me I am ignorant, perhaps you could post why? I am always open to learning, and am always willing to change my opinions.

EDIT: Ok, this debate has derailed this thread. If you want to make a new thread specifically for this topic, please do. I will be more than happy to continue discussing it there.

i hear this all the time. terrorists are simply people with no other behavior to turn to as a means of obtaining freedom from tyranny.

 

[Triggerfinger]

Our immigration problem is out of control. I think we need to revamp our Welfare program in all aspects. We don't need to care for the illegals, if they're mexican, canadian, cuban, etc whoever they are they do not deserve my tax dollars to go and keep them fed and warm. If they were legal and needed help to some extent fine. But if they are illegal then no dice kemosabe.

 

[Tia Baggins]

cant we just pay them to build the great wall of america and then leave

 

[Safe__me]

I think hitler tried this once... Didn't work out too well him.

It isn't just YOUR country either. All poor communities/3rd world places people try to emigrate to better richer communities.

England is another hotspot for this.

 

[Jared1]

What right does America have to restrict who comes in or out? A person is a person, no matter what ethnicity you are. And they have the right to live where they want.

 

[Runit3hunt3r]

What right does America have to restrict who comes in or out? A person is a person, no matter what ethnicity you are. And they have the right to live where they want.

I agree.

 

[Rejection]

Everything you said was invalid. Your solution was, by far, the most invalid, though.