Masturbation: Right or Wrong?

Eyes Up · Mar 28, 2007

sixpack said: ↑

is this is why u got banned someone plz answear
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I don't think so... I was looking through the appeal forum earlier and it looks as though he blackmailed somebody or something? Don't take my word for it.

Oh, and yeah. Read the book of Leviticus. I'm pretty sure chapter 16 has stuff about it? And also, I don't think anybody mentioned this, John (I'm pretty sure) sent a letter to the Romans saying masturbation was not clean.

pyro 214 · Mar 28, 2007

Eyes Up said: ↑

I don't think so... I was looking through the appeal forum earlier and it looks as though he blackmailed somebody or something? Don't take my word for it.

Oh, and yeah. Read the book of Leviticus. I'm pretty sure chapter 16 has stuff about it? And also, I don't think anybody mentioned this, John (I'm pretty sure) sent a letter to the Romans saying masturbation was not clean.
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we cant debate stuff you "think" is there....quote it please

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P.S. :: Christians should like keep there ittle preaches to themselves. If we wanted to be Christian we would've chosen to be Christian not something else.
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why do we "preach".

story:
Jimmy = Christians
Tom = non Christians

Tom lives in a house with no windows and only one door.
This door is locked and the only way to open it is with a key.
Jimmy is one of Toms friends, he knows that the key to this door is on Toms kitchen table.
One day Toms village is set on fire and is approaching his house very quickly.
Jimmy was able to escape his house and decides to call Tom using his cellphone.
Jimmy tells Tom that he has to take that key and unlock that door or he will be burned
to death, Tom may agree to... or think Jimmy is just playing a prank
and refuse (countless times).
If you were Jimmy, how hard would you try to get your friend to pick up that key and
unlock the door?

We are Christians, we want you to pick up that key and unlock that door.
We dont want to see anyone get burnt, would you not do the same?

Cruel__Machine said: ↑

And show me the verse?
As I said, it doesn't explicitly expire these laws.
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rather then making u go to cf forums ill bring the replies to you:

the scriptures say the law was nailed to the cross. Jesus did fulfill the law in that Jesus covers every sin through forgiveness and belief in Him.. not sacrifice which was not sufficient.
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My take on the OT laws are this>

Jesus was born under the law and fulfilled the law. The NT says the law was a yoke that no one could bear. And no one was more motivated to obey the law than the Pharisees.

Jesus died to set us free from the law. We live under a new covenant that Jesus' death established, a new and living way. The law was an administration of death that Paul tells was added.

Thus Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. The new law that we live under is the royal law of love. Love God and love neighbor. Love is the fulfillment of the law.

We aren't in a relationship with God that is based on disobedience or obedience but grace. Be cause of Jesus we are in God's favor. If from our heart we want to be kind to everyone we meet and honor God in everything we do we will be accepted in the beloved by faith.

Remember no one is righteous by works. That includes Christians. One sin made us unrighteous. Paul tells the Galatians that they are foolish for thinking that once they started this walk by faith that they could complete it by works of the law.

Paul even said he was blames when it came to obeying the law. He's not disobeyed one law in his whole live. But that obedience to the law didn't help him know God one bit. So he counted the law as dung (the s word) that he might know Jesus. Phil.3

What does Paul tell us. Things like this that we never hear preached. All things are lawful .. all things are pure ... I'm convinced in the Lord Jesus Christ that nothing is impure in itself ... to the pure all things are pure but to the defiled all things are defiled ... there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus .. Jesus is the end of the law ... love fulfills the law ... 6 times, we aren't under the law but under grace.

Now I read a lot of theologians who make the Bible sound really nice in saying we don't obey the ceremonial or civil laws of Moses but are obligated to obey the moral laws. But the Bible never says the law can be divided up and that we are to accept this law and ignore that law. No, the NT says a few times if we break one law we have broken them all. All law is moral. All law is civil and all law is ceremonial.

That's how I'd deal with the OT laws ... if you want to obey one of those laws you are obligated to obey all of them. But of cause you can't obey the OT laws because you have already broken them. so your only hope is to turn to Jesus, repent and accept his favor. I know that is my only hope.

dayhiker
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Here is more of Luke 16... notice the last sentence!

9"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' 31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
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Hi Pyro,

Again Jesus was under the OT law, so He has to speak positively of the law. Paul also speaks positively of the law. The law is holy, righteous, good. At the same time Paul speaks negatively of the law. It can't provide righteousness, It can't provide salvation. While it the law was to lead people to God, it also lead people to obeying the law with no thought of the God who write the law.
Why did the law fail? Not because of a weakness in the law but because of a weakness in us. Each of us are sinners so we like the self-righteousness that comes from obeying the law. But believing in Jesus, why do that? I'm a good person, I've not killed anyone, I've not stolen anything since I was a kid!

Here's a thought the Holy Spirit gave me sometime ago. I’ve been looking for someone else that has developed it but I've not found it.

In the Garden God gave one law. Done eat the fruit of one tree. For thousands of years after that there was no law to transgress, yet people sinned anyways. This is seen in that they all died.

God calls Abraham. Still God doesn't give a single law they are to obey. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. The descendents of Abraham had an unconditional promise to believe for.

400 years later God frees his people from Egypt but they have no faith and complain and complain. So God says He is going to kill all that generation of unbelief in the wilderness. Paul says of the law, it was add because of transgression. And the law causes more sin. How is God going to be just in killing a whole generation if his people if there is no law for them to transgress?

God has Moses go up into the mount. Again we see the 2 sides of the law. God tells Israel if they obey the law they will live. There is hope and a lot of theologians use these verses to the law was given to bring live to Israel. But its also clear that God wants to kill that generation of unbelief. Since no human can keep the law they all disobeyed and God killed them in their grumbling and disbelief.

Only Joshua and Caleb were able to side step this law that brings death by living in faith. So they entered into the Promised Land.

The law is the same today as its every been. It is good, righteous and holy. But also the law brings death because no one can obey the law. Disobedience brings condemnation, guilt and death. Why would anyone want to try and fail to obey the law of God? Jesus has a better way! Jesus brought a righteousness that comes by faith. Jesus brought forgiveness. He brought life of faith and grace that works thru love. Law doesn’t need love. You can obey the speed limit and have no love for anyone. But works without love profits you nothing. Or me. I choose to accept the grace of God. I choose to accept the favor of God by faith. I choose from the love that God puts in my heart to love my neighbor. In believing in Jesus we know Him and thru Jesus we know the Father as the Holy Spirit work thru and in us.

Praise God.
dayhiker
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I think the Pharisees were outwardly showing they were righteous in the law, but they became blinded by the law of their piety and righteousness, to mercy.

I think what Jesus is saying in Luke 16 regarding "it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law"... is that the Pharisees were holding on so tightly to the law that heaven and earth would or could pass away before they, the Pharisees, would ever let go of the law even though the Messiah was right there with them, and then Jesus starts to recite the law because, of course, Jesus knew the law perfectly... he wrote it! lol However, we are now out of that bondage and under the mercy and pardon of Jesus Christ... as love IS the fulfillment of the law.

This doesn't mean we have full freedom to sin of course; however, we are all still sinners just doing the best we can. I believe Jesus will forgive our sins past, present and future, as long as we do the will of The Father, as Abraham and others did the will of The Father.. as well as believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and confess that in public of course..

Go back and read the beginning of Mark 7 again where it's talking a lot about the law and clean and unclean, etc..
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it goes on....for 12 pages (but this was enough for my satisfaction)

Cruel__Machine · Mar 28, 2007

Found it.
Matthew 3:16-17

16. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, O ye who masturbateth, the same shall be smitten.
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Eyes Up · Mar 28, 2007

HAHAHA Cruel__machine. That was hilarious.

Anyway, I found it in Leviticus. The entire Chapter 15 is about masturbation and periods.

http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/to...odeng/parsed&tag=public&part=15&division=div1

1: The LORD said to Moses and Aaron,
2: "Say to the people of Israel, When any man has a discharge from his body, his discharge is unclean.
3: And this is the law of his uncleanness for a discharge: whether his body runs with his discharge, or his body is stopped from discharge, it is uncleanness in him.
4: Every bed on which he who has the discharge lies shall be unclean; and everything on which he sits shall be unclean.
5: And any one who touches his bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
6: And whoever sits on anything on which he who has the discharge has sat shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
7: And whoever touches the body of him who has the discharge shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
8: And if he who has the discharge spits on one who is clean, then he shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
9: And any saddle on which he who has the discharge rides shall be unclean.
10: And whoever touches anything that was under him shall be unclean until the evening; and he who carries such a thing shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
11: Any one whom he that has the discharge touches without having rinsed his hands in water shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
12: And the earthen vessel which he who has the discharge touches shall be broken; and every vessel of wood shall be rinsed in water.
13: "And when he who has a discharge is cleansed of his discharge, then he shall count for himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes; and he shall bathe his body in running water, and shall be clean.
14: And on the eighth day he shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD to the door of the tent of meeting, and give them to the priest;
15: and the priest shall offer them, one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD for his discharge.
16: "And if a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening.
17: And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening.
18: If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the evening.
19: "When a woman has a discharge of blood which is her regular discharge from her body, she shall be in her impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening.
20: And everything upon which she lies during her impurity shall be unclean; everything also upon which she sits shall be unclean.
21: And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
22: And whoever touches anything upon which she sits shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening;
23: whether it is the bed or anything upon which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening.
24: And if any man lies with her, and her impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.
25: "If a woman has a discharge of blood for many days, not at the time of her impurity, or if she has a discharge beyond the time of her impurity, all the days of the discharge she shall continue in uncleanness; as in the days of her impurity, she shall be unclean.
26: Every bed on which she lies, all the days of her discharge, shall be to her as the bed of her impurity; and everything on which she sits shall be unclean, as in the uncleanness of her impurity.
27: And whoever touches these things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
28: But if she is cleansed of her discharge, she shall count for herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean.
29: And on the eighth day she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, and bring them to the priest, to the door of the tent of meeting.
30: And the priest shall offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her before the LORD for her unclean discharge.
31: "Thus you shall keep the people of Israel separate from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness by defiling my tabernacle that is in their midst."
32: This is the law for him who has a discharge and for him who has an emission of semen, becoming unclean thereby;
33: also for her who is sick with her impurity; that is, for any one, male or female, who has a discharge, and for the man who lies with a woman who is unclean.
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Oh, and http://www.religioustolerance.org/masturba3.htm has a few references.

the_wippit · Mar 28, 2007

well i personally think its rong, but i mean were human who can help it? it releives tension

Eyes Up · Mar 28, 2007

the_wippit said: ↑

well i personally think its rong, but i mean were human who can help it? it releives tension
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Not to mention feels good...

I think it can go either way, though. What did ancient people know about the world? They probably thought semen was a soul or something.

paladen · Mar 28, 2007

... its wrong in some points
good in others
it depends how religoues you are really, or how much of a perv.

cool name maker · Mar 28, 2007

When went from basically you can say sexual stuff to religious stuff lol

pyro 214 · Mar 28, 2007

Eyes Up said: ↑

HAHAHA Cruel__machine. That was hilarious.

Anyway, I found it in Leviticus. The entire Chapter 15 is about masturbation and periods.

http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/to...odeng/parsed&tag=public&part=15&division=div1

Oh, and http://www.religioustolerance.org/masturba3.htm has a few references.
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If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the evening.
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if you take "unclean" to mean a sin, then sex would be a sin to... and we know its not within marriage. So unclean does not mean sin? (just dirty....)

Also remember Leviticus is all the old laws...so do we follow all, some, or none? thats what it breaks down to.

My Bible starts Leviticus like this:
many of the guidelines seem irrelevant to us today. but behind all the details are themes that help us understand what it means to follow God today. God wants a relationship with us, but we must first admit our sins and accept Gods forgiveness. And God expects believers to lie their lives in ways that are pleasing to him. As Leviticus 19:2 says: "I am the Lord your God. You must be holy because i am holy."

cool name maker · Mar 28, 2007

More religious stuff ahh!

coach thorpe · Mar 28, 2007

The Bible also says not to wear a shirt with two types of Cloths. I.e. 50% cotton 50% polyester... The Bible was like so 100 years ago.

pyro 214 · Mar 28, 2007

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The Bible also says not to wear a shirt with two types of Cloths. I.e. 50% cotton 50% polyester... The Bible was like so 100 years ago.
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lol where?
and this is old testament to im guessing?

asdft13 · Mar 28, 2007

when you have a perverted girlfriend their is no need for masturbation.

BGD · Mar 28, 2007

Its bad because it makes you think of sinful thoughts.....
Prove me wrong =)

pyro 214 · Mar 29, 2007

BGD said: ↑

Its bad because it makes you think of sinful thoughts.....
Prove me wrong =)
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which is why some stay away from it, personally im able to separate the sinful thoughts.

Shinoda · Mar 29, 2007

asdft13 said: ↑

when you have a perverted girlfriend their is no need for masturbation.
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You just failed at attempting to look cool on the internet.

Do you want a prize?

Deacon Frost · Mar 29, 2007

lol, wow that was harsh... He doesn't need a prize, he's probably to busy with his dad ...ew.

coolaznkid · Mar 29, 2007

Wrong if your Christian, Right if you're horny.

waterboy0204 · Mar 29, 2007

Honestly, I believe masturbation is a healthy part of anyone's life and should be praticed regularly.

Masturbation is a good way to relieve any stress you have in your life...And it just feels good.

Bananawaffle · Mar 29, 2007

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