Marketplace Clean Up

Hey everybody, I've recently gotten into the market after observing from the sidelines for years. A lot of the traders on the marketplace forums, usually the websites, seem to have no regard for whether they actually have stock to buy/sell when they bump/post on their threads claiming that they are doing what they're doing. I've followed up many of them immediately after they've posted and most of the time they're not actually capable of doing what they've just claimed in their post.

I understand that they have workers/agents so it's not quite reasonable possible for them to be updated with themselves but that is their problem. Is it not unfair for traders who actually WANT and are READY to trade have to have their threads bumped to the back just because they have a ton of workers who keep bumping their threads. Mind you, these posts are not even actual sales or purchases. just posts claiming that they're doing something they aren't.

To me, as a new trader this is a huge waste of opportunities as I or, most of the traders here do not have the resources to continually do the same.

And to be honest, I do not have a technical or a systematic suggestion that can force these as any solutions that might be there to keep a check and balances of the people actually doing what they are posting about is not viable in such a trading platform.

The big players in the market shouldn't need to be told of the obvious, I would have assumed that after spending all this time and money, they would at least have the courtesy to respect the community that took them where they are.

Their actions should equate to unfair business practices, what do you guys think?

 

The same goes for offline/inactive livechats in the same scenario.

I recommend that there be infractions every time there is a report for substantiated false claims which in turn can lead to temporary/extended suspension of marketplace privileges or something of the like.

 

[Dinosaur Pk]

While I get where your coming from and as someone who operates alone doing a questing & skilling business, just because they can't complete it right away doesn't mean they don't want the orders.

I've just had 3 orders lined up back to back because people want to use me and if they're not in a rush they're happy to wait. People go who their comfortable using for whatever reason.

Although, gold sellers are a pain in the arse. Whenever I try to sell the 07GP I've made I have to go through 5+ people nearly every time because they're 'full' despite just bumping their thread saying that they're buying. Would be nice to have more restrictions/moderation but not really possible.

 

While I get where your coming from and as someone who operates alone doing a questing & skilling business, just because they can't complete it right away doesn't mean they don't want the orders.

I've just had 3 orders lined up back to back because people want to use me and if they're not in a rush they're happy to wait. People go who their comfortable using for whatever reason.

Although, gold sellers are a pain in the arse. Whenever I try to sell the 07GP I've made I have to go through 5+ people nearly every time because they're 'full' despite just bumping their thread saying that they're buying. Would be nice to have more restrictions/moderation but not really possible.

Back orders make sense and I have nothing against them. But they're not even back ordering, they're just posting on their relevant threads and then telling the people who go to them to just come back in 1-2 hours during which they've likely posted on their threads again. and there are daily multiple instances of this.

 

Every sythe user can bump their thread every 8 hours, i do not see how anyone in the market has any advantage over your topic even if they have workers bumping them, and it would probably be impossible for staff to keep on top of people bumping threads that don't have stock at the exact time they bumped it.

 

It's just the grind you have to endure when starting out due to the mass competition these days. I started seriously just under 2 years ago, first on powerbot where I have a lot of feedback. Despite that it was still a grind for me on sythe, but I thought long term game and just kept moving forward. It worked out, but it's an ongoing process.

The competition is always there but I wouldn't worry too much. Instead on dwelling too much on bumping, learn other ways to increase traffic and try tap into something that a small portion of the competition even know about.

 

Every sythe user can bump their thread every 8 hours, i do not see how anyone in the market has any advantage over your topic even if they have workers bumping them, and it would probably be impossible for staff to keep on top of people bumping threads that don't have stock at the exact time they bumped it.

It's just the grind you have to endure when starting out due to the mass competition these days. I started seriously just under 2 years ago, first on powerbot where I have a lot of feedback. Despite that it was still a grind for me on sythe, but I thought long term game and just kept moving forward. It worked out, but it's an ongoing process.

The competition is always there but I wouldn't worry too much. Instead on dwelling too much on bumping, learn other ways to increase traffic and try tap into something that a small portion of the competition even know about.

Thats the thing, I do not have a problem with bumping in itself. They can bump it every minute if they want, i don't care as long as they are actually trading as they claim to be. They don't need to infest every single thread that they have in every section. If they're selling 24/7, they should feel free to post, same goes for buying and vice versa. If you aren't doing something, then don't post that you are. I have a problem with bump/post claims that they are actively trading but they are not, for hours on end at times. It's simply stupid. And I am sure that I'm not the only one.

And the point about there not being a viable method of keeping it checked, I understand that why is why their is no need for them to do anything. Most of the sellers that do this are invested in sythe, I'm sure they would be obligated to follow the rules if such a rule was made to combat this. There would be no need for external moderation.

 

[Pain]

Its a free market. Market restrictions have always been a big no-no.

People are allowed to advertise whatever they want, when they want, at whatever price they want.

The only restriction is it has to follow sythe rules and the person must honor the price listed in their thread if asked.

That's the only market restrictions I can actively think of and I'm never a fan of adding more.

Also just FYI- if you are referring to sites specifically, bumping when someone may be out of a stock is still a form of market, it builds backlinks and visits to your links/site from customers clicking them help you rank up in google and stuff which allows you to get more customers.

Theres a lot more at play then someone not having a product in stock.

It's a no from me.

 

Its a free market. Market restrictions have always been a big no-no.

People are allowed to advertise whatever they want, when they want, at whatever price they want.

The only restriction is it has to follow sythe rules and the person must honor the price listed in their thread if asked.

That's the only market restrictions I can actively think of and I'm never a fan of adding more.

Also just FYI- if you are referring to sites specifically, bumping when someone may be out of a stock is still a form of market, it builds backlinks and visits to your links/site from customers clicking them help you rank up in google and stuff which allows you to get more customers.

Theres a lot more at play then someone not having a product in stock.

It's a no from me.

I am behind you on the minimal market restrictions, and i am not proposing any such restrictions.

Okay, I'll ask you a simple question. Is it an ethical practice to claim something on your market thread, only to invalidate that claim minutes after making such a claim on that thread? And doing this multiple times throughout the day?

Is that not dishonest practice? Is it not the same thing as claiming a rate and then not following through with it?

I get the logic behind getting views but do them through the threads you're actually ready to trade in. It looks pretty straightforward to me.

 

Most of gold sellers bump all of their topics at the same time and I believe it would become pain in the ass to do it otherwise.

"Full" is a very common thing these days and I believe it's good for market. Like all sellers could always offer trashy prices/rates, but they prefer to say "full" to keep those prices "high".

Also, there might be 2 minutes difference between "full" and "empty"

 

I understand it is very unreasonable to ask this situation be moderated and I agree that it is not viable to moderate such claims. So I'm advocating that they should not need to be moderated, Alot of them have an indirect stake in staying as traders as sythe. If there were to be rules imposed then they would refrain from breaking them themselves as it would be in their interest to continue to trade while following the rules.

 

[Tyler]

Heres what the official sythe rules have to say about this.

Bogus Posting or Bumping: All posts and bumps in market/trading sections of the site must relate to bona-fide (real) trades. You may not bump your sales thread if you are not legitimately ready to trade at the time of bumping. You may not post or bump with the sole intention of increasing post count or presence.


If you see anybody breaking these rules feel free to gather evidence on them and report them for not following the rules.