Make luring a perm ban offense

@Richard,

My suggestion is just to make discussion / threads / selling luring methods worth an infraction. Most of these discussions here aren't just convincing someone to come into a dangerous area, they are exponentially more complex scams. Often under the pretext of 'helping' the user or just straight out lying in order to take the users items. It doesn't only happen in PVP situations either, you can lure a new player into dropping their items or losing them in a unusual situation like glitching them past a wilderness line.

Even if we can't police in-game interactions I don't think discussion/organizing this type of thing should be allowed or encouraged here.

Maybe about 5% of the time its something like getting someone to follow you into multi-combat, most of what people are talking about when they're talking about luring is lying to the user to steal their items.

 

My suggestion isn't to try and rule over cases outside of RWT (real life issues for example) but rather to just keep luring off of the site instead of turning the other way.

In my opinion luring here is no more welcome than posting a thread to organize theft/fraud in real life. Although we might not personally deal with it, I think at the very least the threads could be locked or infracted depending on the situation. Allowing people to sell luring guides here or have a thread dedicated to finding "luring partners" seems a bit odd to me.

 

Don't we ban scamming ingame? (I.e. armor trimming and the like?)

 

I guess if its outside the forums , its allowed.

 

Like it has been said before, if it involves a form of RWT then yes I assume so. But if not, like Richard has already mentioned it has nothing to do with us here on Sythe.

 

The last 47,000 times this has been brought up people have said that Jagex allows it as a game mechanic. Maybe that isn't true anymore. I do not know but there was most certainly a time they said that it was a game mechanic and were completely okay with it.

Luring isn't scamming. Discussing it means nothing since it isn't hurting anyone.

It's not bullshit because it is a game mechanic. Don't go into the wilderness with people you do not trust.

What?

And it isn't offsite scamming because it isn't scamming.

 

What I gathered from a conversation I had with Richard awhile ago is the best thing for the site to do is not handle in game disputes. If it doesn't involve RWT we don't want to do anything about it. If we do it opens up such a large array of problems that it just is not worth it.

 

No support, luring is a part of RS and this is a black market/cheating website, ive partaken in lures in the past,(no longer play rs for fun)I have still done 120+ good trades on this site and been trusted with bils, im sure there are lots of highly trusted members whove partaken in lures at some point in the past

 

Well many idiots get scammed as well. That's really not a good argument.

 

So with the argument that most of you are providing, then we should also ban stakers that have another account with the name similar to theirs? That's tricking people too.

I don't see why do many have a problem with luring. Its always been apart of the game and forever will.

 

So we should just leave impostors then? That's acceptable yeah?

Because its theft, quite like saying "people stealing is inevitable, so we should just ignore it"

 

Killing someone on Runescape and taking their gold after tricking them is not theft. It's a game mechanic- the wild. They are WELL warned while playing that entering the wild is dangerous and they can lose their items. If they chose to not listen, its their own fault.

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About imposters, completly different issue. They are attempting to steal during RWT trades. Different than luring someone in game that has no affiliation to Sythe/RWT. They are losing pixels, not money. Unless they are luring another RWT'r in which case they can be banned here on Sythe if the other has a Sythe account.

 

Most lures don't even take place in the wilderness these days, the lures have gotten a whole lot more clever than that. Generally you have to lie to the person to steal their items (fraud and theft). The user does not give consent, it is not an intended part of the game, and its even against the in-game rules. Just writing it off as a "game mechanic" isn't good enough.

Imagine if you applied your logic to anything else, sythe for example. "The user was WELL warned about the risk of scammers and how to conduct a proper trade, its part of online trading. Its their fault, and we shouldn't bother punishing the scammer."

Coming from someone opening a gold shop, lol. How interesting that you only see gold as having value when convenient to you.

 

Most players are pretty hard to lure nowadays, since most of us are vets. But there are some ways to trick players. I support making it a bannable offence. Why? Because it is treachery and requires lying under false pretences.

 

its part of the game

 

Just because something is understandable doesn't make it acceptable.

 

The way luring currently works on RS3 is essentially a more advanced form of item scamming.

 

Scamming is scamming. Social engineering is still social engineering no matter which way you look at it. At the end of the day you are still instilling a false sense of trust upon yourself in the mind of the other user.