Make all CDT discussions public record

No problem making most of the discusion available.

I just want to make sure we have a place to dump apps and drafts

 

Why can't applications be public? Aren't they public already? If they aren't, they should be.

 

I don't think all application voting should be made public. It's not for clarity but people could be discouraged from reapplying if they can see that in the past certain users didn't feel they fit the team dynamic well (especially if they hold grudges). The remainder of CDT information I don't see (if I remember correctly) why it can't be released once an event is over. Obviously in order for events to remain fun there can't be a live action feed to what's currently planned.

Note: I haven't participated in CDT discussion in long time and thus I can't speak for the entirety of what is contained in the forum and whether it should be released I'm going purely off memory.

 

Voting doesn't have to be but the actual applications should be.

 

Okay with that clarification I agree that most or all aspects of CDT could be public once the event has been completed.

Yet again I'm not a CDT member so there may be aspects that I don't know about so don't take my opinion as fact.

 

I feel like this suggestion is just an overreaction to the incident that occurred, however I do believe in transparency.


I'll abstain for now. As for the money. I have accounted for everything and PM'd everything to Richard. Obviously there is a bit of discrepancy but that is to be expected (converting currencies/Paypal fees)

As for the BTC crash. It was not handled well. This is something we will look into for the future, but it's done. We can't go back and change anything .



Thank you for the CDT however. I'm sure Jon's family appreciates this.

 

I'll give you that I'm using drama for political gain, but I've always done that and it should not surprise anyone.

The suggestion is not an overreaction. By reading all these different posts involving the CDT it seems nearly the only people who are defending it are on it. This speaks volumes. It is clear to the highest levels that there is absolutely no trust in the CDT and that it needs reform and a guiding vision that actually aligns with what the community wants, not what the CDT team members want. The only way to make that happen is to make the CDT actually transparent so that the community can hold the CDT accountable.

 

this. I also believe that surely there should be no reason anyone on the CDT team would worry about these posts being put out there unless there is something to hide? However i feel that although it was a badly handled situation it was a good cause and things like these should continue to happen in the future

 

No support for those reasons.

 

There is no reason event discussion should be private. There is no reason applications should be private (voting can be). There is no reason for event answers to be private after the event. There is no reason drafts should be private after an appropriate amount of time has passed.

The staff should be a lot more open as well. I've pushed for that before, basically for the same reasons: Suggestions in the public eye

 

Support making everything public besides application voting.

 

More transparency is something I'd like to see. As for applications, I can understand hiding the voting side of it but I don't see why the public couldn't look at the applications themselves.

 

By that logic you could make the OMM forums/Staff lounge/Upper Staff lounge/Technical Core/PR Team/Admin and the Admin lounge public as well, what do they have to hide?

 

My logic is responding the specific concerns outlined above. Different teams have different information in their respective private forums and some of it should remain private. As I've already said voting on applications should remain private and that is a valid use case for the CDT. This is not a zero sum game and there is a middle ground to be had.

 

Market credentials aren't a qualifier for entry, nor should they be.

I think Dunworry made a mistake removing (your?) posts. I think he was acting as a mod though, not a CDT member as he isn't really active.

I appreciate you're trying to make those involved in this situation accountable for their actions.

I think everyone was well intentioned all around, but the exchange with Bogla was unfortunate.

I really do think this would be an unnecessary measure.

I do believe this situation should be investigated and resolved, absolutely.

But as I've already mentioned like drafts and answers for events make up a bulk of the section. If that happened I think a lot of the details would have to go to PM instead of a nice organized section.

 

Maybe that's because CDT members know more information regarding the CDT and believe the community would not benefit from being completely transparent. Richard stated himself he through the staff having a say in cdt involvement was an issue but it took syed all of 20 minutes to figure out this wasn't the case.

Also :/ your going to hurt ma feels. Vidya trusted me with 500m just fine. Unless you were talking about some other metric of trust.

 

I'm all for increased transparency, so long as they still have a way to hide sensitive info like voting I'd support this.

 

Answering you both at once:

You are not talking about the trust I'm talking about. I don't care about trusting someone with $5,000. I care about the trust the community places on what the CDT does and says, like trust in government rather than trust in not being ripped off.

It doesn't matter if Dunworry is acting as staff or CDT as he is a representative of both. The optics (please shoot me for using this buzzword) of the situation are shitty either way as the CDT should be welcoming any and all feedback and criticism regardless of who it comes from or how it is phrased (I'd call my post harshly worded at worst). It makes it look like the CDT is trying to hide their failures and cover up their problems instead of fixing them. It makes the community lose trust that the CDT is actually working for them instead of themselves.

The problem is that the community isn't going to think you guys are well intentioned since from all of the public posts by CDT members it seems like the only thing anyone cares about is their own skin. The Jon situation prompted this thread but this thread is not exclusively about the Jon situation. The accountability issues run deeper than this one particular situation, they just happened to turn into a massive shit show firestorm (sorry for being offensive @Dunworry don't ban me).

The nature of the arguments in this thread are only about this shit show because it's a convenient and easy argument to make. It is pretty telling that basically the only people who disagree with me are the ones that are on the CDT. The community has lost faith in the CDT and being much more transparent and open by making things public would go a long way in restoring trust.

 

How can events be organised in public? Makes no sense

 

Also don't want the CDT to change how they communicate based off of the fact that the public can see everything they do. A great example of this is a template thread for a summer flash game we are going to have. People who will look into our forum will see the game beforehand and probaly finish the event before it's even completed.

It gives people who are looking into our forums an unfair advantage at alot of our events. Ever parciptate in a scavenger hunt? Not anymore.