"Legalize Marijauana"

[Charlieb1212]

/rant
/vulgarity

I swear, this is getting so annoying, no, this shouldn't be done.


Don't you people have any fucking common sense? You can't legalize anything that gets you high, that's fucking dumb, anyone who says that it should be legalized, in any amount, loses my respect.


Here, some more things that you stupid fucks should know:


- "Marijauana has never killed anyone", Yeah, neither have fucking ciggarettes, but the causes of both have killed thousands.

- "It's natural, it can't be bad for you" Lots of poisons are natural, so first off, saying that is based on a false pretense. Plus, people who smoke weed, are TWICE as likely to develop testicular cancer, TWICE. See how many fucking chicks are attracted to that.

- "There's no long term effects" Bullshit. Find somewhere that says that, I'd enjoy reading it.

- Increased risk of chronic pulmonary disorders, including cancer
- Decrease in testosterone levels for men
- Increase in testosterone levels for women
- Lower sperm counts and difficulty having children in men
- Increased risk of infertility in women
- Diminished or extinguished sexual pleasure
- Psychological dependence requiring more of the drug to get the same effect.
Oh and, the Psychological dependence, that's going to quickly make things worse.

/end-vulgarity


Fun little quote:

"A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems."


How would you like

- Increased rates of anxiety?
- Depression?
- Suicidal ideation?
- Schizophrenia?

I don't think you really would.


Oh look, here's another:

"In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug."


Heart attack sounding fun right about now? How about death?



Use common sense.


/end-rant.

 

[Aceman]

Marijuana has far less negative effects than alcohol, which is currently legal.

The core of the marijuana legalization argument is that we should have control over what we do with our own bodies. Do you dispute this?

YOUR WORKING THE OPPOSITE WAY LOL. YOU DON'T CREATE MORE DRUGS, YOU BAN THE OLD ONES.

Oh and we do have control of our bodies. If you make Marijuana legal people will get high and do shit they shouldn't (fight etc)..now, i don't think that would help our society...now would it?.. and if you want to destroy your body than don't fk'ing go to a hospital when you get cancer..

 

[Charlieb1212]

I do, to an extent,

The health department of the United States DOES need to regulate what people do to their body. As far as the alcohol argument, I do think that they need to be a little more stern on that. I'm reasonably convinced they won't, but that's beside the point.

I think the government does have a right to regulate what people are putting into their bodies, for health reasons.

 

[Deacon Frost]

Lol Troll.

/rant
/vulgarity

I swear, this is getting so annoying, no, this shouldn't be done.


Don't you people have any fucking common sense? You can't legalize anything that gets you high, that's fucking dumb, anyone who says that it should be legalized, in any amount, loses my respect.

Then take your respect, and shove it... Respectfully .

Here, some more things that you stupid fucks should know:


- "Marijauana has never killed anyone", Yeah, neither have fucking ciggarettes, but the causes of both have killed thousands.

Cigarettes* do actually kill people. Marijuana does not. Show me studies of such, and I'll accept such. Even several government websites acknowledge that marijuana itself does not cause death.

The amount of tar in cigarettes, however, can kill you.

- "It's natural, it can't be bad for you" Lots of poisons are natural, so first off, saying that is based on a false pretense. Plus, people who smoke weed, are TWICE as likely to develop testicular cancer, TWICE. See how many fucking chicks are attracted to that.

Never heard people say just because it's natural it can't be bad for you. And that's not because of Marijuana. That's because of smoking. And, actually, I've never heard of those numbers?

Cite your source before you say shit.

- "There's no long term effects" Bullshit. Find somewhere that says that, I'd enjoy reading it.

Find me a site that is credible that says there are long term affects. The proof is on you, sir.

- Increased risk of chronic pulmonary disorders, including cancer

Happens when you inhale any form of smoke. Try getting in a car accident.

- Decrease in testosterone levels for men

Never been proven. Only theorized, and in fact, there are many sites that inform of you of the opposite. Marijuana does not affect testosterone levels.

- Increase in testosterone levels for women

See above.

- Lower sperm counts and difficulty having children in men

This would go with the whole testosterone thing. Do you actually know what you're sprouting off? To be honest, it sounds like you have absolutely no knowledge of this topic.

- Increased risk of infertility in women

Everything increases the risk of infertility in women. It's not because of Marijuana, it's because of inhalation of smoke.

- Diminished or extinguished sexual pleasure

Actually, marijuana heightens your senses. Sexual pleasure is more than doubled.

- Psychological dependence requiring more of the drug to get the same effect.

I quit marijuana COLD FUCKING TURKEY after smoking 3-4 times a day. It has no addictive properties, and there is no evidence to suggest psychological dependency.

Oh and, the Psychological dependence, that's going to quickly make things worse.

If even a part of your rant was right, I would have been more inclined to actually indulge your ignorance, but it would seem you need to do a bit more research. Please, before you fucking post...

LEARN TO FUCKING GOOGLE.

/end-vulgarity

Only reason to behave like you did is when you don't know what you're talking about.

Fun little quote:

"A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems."

Uhm, same goes for alcohol, actually. The reason you have to be 21, is because several studies show that in today's environment, drinking at a younger age usually results in alcoholism.

Fortunately, however, marijuana has no addictive properties. But people are irresponsible by nature, so... leave the good shit in the hands of us mature people .

How would you like

- Increased rates of anxiety?

Life gives me that. Marijuana relieves it.

- Depression?

Same as above.

- Suicidal ideation?

Honestly, that's just because people are stupid. It's not because of Marijuana. I don't even have the motivation to end my life when I'm high. Things are better when you're stoned .

- Schizophrenia?

Seriously? I would love to see where you're getting this bullshit.

I don't think you really would.

Also, don't tell me what I would, and would not like.

Oh look, here's another:

"In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug."

Link? And it says SMOKING THE DRUG. Does not say that marijuana is the result. . And I'd like to see how this study was conducted. Seems like bullshit to me.

Heart attack sounding fun right about now? How about death?

You're really not scaring me with your bullshit.

Use common sense.

Hypocrite.

/end-rant.

You should have ended this rant before you started it.

 

[Deacon Frost]

I do, to an extent,

The health department of the United States DOES need to regulate what people do to their body. As far as the alcohol argument, I do think that they need to be a little more stern on that. I'm reasonably convinced they won't, but that's beside the point.

I think the government does have a right to regulate what people are putting into their bodies, for health reasons.

I don't see how you have the right to tell me what the fuck I put into my body. You are seriously a horrible troll, and need to go away.

How about this. I'm going to go into politics, and pass a law, that says any dumbass who thinks they know what the fuck they're talking about needs to be fucking shot, in the fucking head, point blank until dead... for health reasons of the entire nation .

 

[Deacon Frost]

Wrong.

I don't do drugs, but drug legalization has obvious benefits. Off the top of my head, I would imagine that it would remove a fiscal staple of gangs, reducing crime activity.

You do the benefits of marijuana, and i'll rebuttal his claims of "negative" reactions .

 

[Charlieb1212]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/02/marijuana-use-a.html
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20090623/marijuana-smoke-linked-to-cancer
http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/Marijuana3.html
http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html


Read through these sites, oh and, the tar in smoke, the effects caused by those kill people.


And please, for the love of god, prove me wrong, what makes what you say anymore trustworthy than what I say? After all, you're the fucking stoner here.


Maybe after reading through those, you're yearning for knowledge (assuming it's not all an act) will overtake your blatant ignorance, and lack of ability to accept facts.

 

[mu-b]

You realize if they were to legalize marijuana then it would have to be crank, then coke, etc. Legalizing one drug isn't worth having to legalize other, more serious ones.

 

[Aceman]

Wrong.

I don't do drugs, but drug legalization has obvious benefits. Off the top of my head, I would imagine that it would remove a fiscal staple of gangs, reducing crime activity.

No, there would still be crime activity for other drugs; Heroin and so on. (And there is no way they can be all legalized)

Why should the government control what someone does as long as they're not encroaching on others' rights?

-They don't want to have an increase in death
-Tax payers money will go to helping drug users.

You're not only ruining your own body. When your intoxicated you can't control your body. This means you'll do things such as "homicide" that you wouldn't in a normal state of mind do. etc..

 

[Darken Phoenix]

I think it's a dumb idea personally... If they do that then the goverment will be making most of the profit cause the goverment has sooo much confiscated weed it's not even funny so they would sell it like cigarrettes and become out of debt..lmao

 

[Charlieb1212]

Sounds like a plan. ^_^ Unfortunately, you know far more about this stuff than I do.



Tar in smoke is caused by smokers as well, but they get smoking breaks, etc.

Hey, personal matters aside in the round, please.

I'm reading through them now. I'm still unimpressed.

EDIT: I'm going to sleep, I'll read up tomorrow. Keep him at bay until then, Deac, we both know you're a better debater anyway.

Please, come into this with an open mind, I did, i'm listening to facts, well, i'm willing to, you haven't shown any. Neither of you have.


You're most likely reading it with the intention to prove it wrong, giving it no chance.

 

[Charlieb1212]

I think it's a dumb idea personally... If they do that then the goverment will be making most of the profit cause the goverment has sooo much confiscated weed it's not even funny so they would sell it like cigarrettes and become out of debt..lmao

I agree with this statement, except they wouldn't sell it, they would tax it.

They are in it for the money, here's a quick read:

http://www.impactlab.com/2007/01/31/cure-for-cancer-found-but-no-one-is-talking/


Really shows how horrible they really are.

 

[Deacon Frost]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/02/marijuana-use-a.html
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20090623/marijuana-smoke-linked-to-cancer
http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/Marijuana3.html
http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html


Read through these sites, oh and, the tar in smoke, the effects caused by those kill people.


And please, for the love of god, prove me wrong, what makes what you say anymore trustworthy than what I say? After all, you're the fucking stoner here.


Maybe after reading through those, you're yearning for knowledge (assuming it's not all an act) will overtake your blatant ignorance, and lack of ability to accept facts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/02/marijuana-use-a.html

This test is bullshit. The study is not valid.

http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20090623/marijuana-smoke-linked-to-cancer

"acetaldehyde" which is produced when marijuana is smoked.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/Marijuana3.html

Acute. And not to mention, those studies aren't valid. Those people are NATURALLY against drugs. So they publish shit against it . It's as bad as D.A.R.E, or a Christian organization.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

Same thing >.>

Read through these sites, oh and, the tar in smoke, the effects caused by those kill people.

And please, for the love of god, prove me wrong, what makes what you say anymore trustworthy than what I say? After all, you're the fucking stoner here.

Maybe after reading through those, you're yearning for knowledge (assuming it's not all an act) will overtake your blatant ignorance, and lack of ability to accept facts.

Your*, not you're. Please learn grammar when attempting to prove someone wrong.

Your assumptions are not only annoying, but plain childish. I'm glad you posted this in General, because it's really not even thoroughly enough researched for a semi-intelligent discussion.

And I reported you for flaming . I never said I was a stoner, you moron. I said I quit cold turkey. I haven't smoked in well over a year >.>.

I learned programming while I was high. I learned math while I was high. I learned how calculus works... while I was high. I've done my own studies, and I can tell you, for a FACT, that marijuana does not affect people like you say.

I do accept facts, and the only ignorance I see here is yours. You are no better than some Christian Evangelist who recently figured "oh, these people must be right! Let me go sprout off that I know everything before I actually do any research".


Please, learn to fucking learn.

 

[teh 1337 pwner]

ok this is straight stupid. first off I lose respect for you because you just blindly called a large amount of the worlds population a "stupid fuck". you probably won't even listen to me because i have a cannabis related sig...but whatever. since you've already proved yourself to be a close minded asshole i don't care what you think.

theres no arguement, alcohol and cigarettes are WAY more harmful then marijuana. end of discussion there. your points that you make are invalid.

"Marijauana has never killed anyone", Yeah, neither have fucking ciggarettes, but the causes of both have killed thousands.

you can't compare the 2 substances effects. they are so different that they shouldn't even be in the same sentence. do your research and see how many people die from lung cancer, just lung cancer. than compare that to all of the deaths caused by all of the said "effects" from cannabis. look at the deaths and then ask yourself how many of THOSE are caused by cannabis.

"It's natural, it can't be bad for you" Lots of poisons are natural, so first off, saying that is based on a false pretense. Plus, people who smoke weed, are TWICE as likely to develop testicular cancer, TWICE. See how many fucking chicks are attracted to that.

people who say that are dumb, they have no idea what they are talking about. but, the only people who say that are typically under the age of 15...
and it definitely shouldn't be used as a main point to go against legalization.

Heart attack sounding fun right about now? How about death?

No it's not sounding fun, neither is death.

Mittleman noted that, as an immediate trigger for heart attack, pot smoking is nearly twice as dangerous as sex for a sedentary person, exercise for a fit male or female, a tantrum of rage, or a bout of anxiety. But it’s less risky than a spurt of exercise for a couch potato or a snort of cocaine.

source: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/03.02/marijuana.html

you see that? only twice as dangerous as exercise for a fit male or female. well, exercise is good right? wrong...it still causes heart attacks like this herb called cannabis.

after all of this typing and taking your smartass attitude in mind leaves me with a FACT that you are just a cranky teen who has no idea what they are talking about.



EDIT: also...for all my fellow pot smokers
decriminalize it.
not legalize it.

 

[K-3-V-1-N]

Deacon says you're trolling, but I really don't care.

The effects of marijuana are irrelevant. I own my body, therefor I can do what I wish with it. Anyone trying to regulate what I put in my body (even this silly group of individuals that calls themselves the Government) isn't respecting this.

 

[Deacon Frost]

No, there would still be crime activity for other drugs; Heroin and so on. (And there is no way they can be all legalized)



-They don't want to have an increase in death
-Tax payers money will go to helping drug users.

You're not only ruining your own body. When your intoxicated you can't control your body. This means you'll do things such as "homicide" that you wouldn't in a normal state of mind do. etc..

Increased death toll? Marijuana has never directly killed someone. Find me evidence of first-hand cause of death being marijuana.

There's no proof that Marijuana affects you mentally to the point of killing someone. Marijuana is not known for its 'rage' properties, because it has none.

Tax payers have a right to say what they will, and will not pay for. Just no one stands up.

I think it's a dumb idea personally... If they do that then the goverment will be making most of the profit cause the goverment has sooo much confiscated weed it's not even funny so they would sell it like cigarrettes and become out of debt..lmao

Meh, the government regulates everything else in terms of sales. Of course they'd make a profit.

However, laws prevent them from selling such product . The US government cannot be involved in trades like that. They would have to give the money to another corporation to be decided by congress.

Please, come into this with an open mind, I did, i'm listening to facts, well, i'm willing to, you haven't shown any. Neither of you have.


You're most likely reading it with the intention to prove it wrong, giving it no chance.

You didn't come into this with an open mind. You simply called us all idiots when we've done more years of research on this than your 5 minutes of Google.

I don't care to prove you wrong, I've proven many people wrong before. Almost everyone here agrees that you look like an idiot for how you're behaving, and for your lack of knowledge. I really don't feel like Googling all the facts again. Do it yourself, before you fucking post.

 

[Charlieb1212]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2009/02/marijuana-use-a.html

This test is bullshit. The study is not valid.

http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20090623/marijuana-smoke-linked-to-cancer

"acetaldehyde" which is produced when marijuana is smoked.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/Marijuana3.html

Acute. And not to mention, those studies aren't valid. Those people are NATURALLY against drugs. So they publish shit against it . It's as bad as D.A.R.E, or a Christian organization.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

Same thing >.>





Your*, not you're. Please learn grammar when attempting to prove someone wrong.

Your assumptions are not only annoying, but plain childish. I'm glad you posted this in General, because it's really not even thoroughly enough researched for a semi-intelligent discussion.

And I reported you for flaming . I never said I was a stoner, you moron. I said I quit cold turkey. I haven't smoked in well over a year >.>.

I learned programming while I was high. I learned math while I was high. I learned how calculus works... while I was high. I've done my own studies, and I can tell you, for a FACT, that marijuana does not affect people like you say.

I do accept facts, and the only ignorance I see here is yours. You are no better than some Christian Evangelist who recently figured "oh, these people must be right! Let me go sprout off that I know everything before I actually do any research".


Please, learn to fucking learn.

You're not posting facts, you're posting simple things, and not proving them, posting no evidence, no proof, nothing. Which is rather... weird, especially after you told me to do so, and to cite, which I proceeded to do.


Please post some links, some studies, anything.

Then legalize them all, as it should be.



...so they would need less taxes from us.



Deacon and I have both presented arguments you haven't addressed.

I'll read some more of your arguments tomorrow. So... um... onward and upward.

Did I miss something? You've both made claims, and posted nothing showing that those are even plausible. Post something that is respectable, and I'll post my rebuttal, until then, you get this.

 

[Charlieb1212]

You didn't come into this with an open mind. You simply called us all idiots when we've done more years of research on this than your 5 minutes of Google.

I don't care to prove you wrong, I've proven many people wrong before. Almost everyone here agrees that you look like an idiot for how you're behaving, and for your lack of knowledge. I really don't feel like Googling all the facts again. Do it yourself, before you fucking post.

You haven't shown any of your research, please do. I'd be interested to see where you're getting your information.


And no, I'm not going to do your work for you, if you want to debate it, put some fucking effort in.

 

[Deacon Frost]

You're not posting facts, you're posting simple things, and not proving them, posting no evidence, no proof, nothing. Which is rather... weird, especially after you told me to do so, and to cite, which I proceeded to do.


Please post some links, some studies, anything.

Did I miss something? You've both made claims, and posted nothing showing that those are even plausible. Post something that is respectable, and I'll post my rebuttal, until then, you get this.

I shouldn't have to cite my source. You're the one claiming it's bad for us .

You should have knowledge of both sides, and not require such.

The reason I asked you to cite your source is because there has never been credible studies with conclusive proof that marijuana is bad for you.

 

[Deacon Frost]

You haven't shown any of your research, please do. I'd be interested to see where you're getting your information.


And no, I'm not going to do your work for you, if you want to debate it, put some fucking effort in.

The second you give me a valid, credible source that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that marijuana is bad for someone, I will go into debate mode, until then, I see no valid evidence, and therefore nothing more than a troll.