Kyara/Luismi Dispute

[osrscharr]

Scammer's profile link: Luismi
Amount scammed: 30 USD
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: Kyara#4788 (973807531010969600) / Luismi#0073 (372908702296178688), BTC addy: 1P4Ron9duDkMbRjy1KmBt5pUFBpYDbZXQ1
Proof that it's their Discord: https://i.imgur.com/AHQduJm.gif

Explanation of the trade: I refer back to my old report on Cidla: Cidla scam. I understand and I am aware that I have zero obligation to pay Kyara/Luismi when Cidla decided to exit scam in June. Kyara/Luismi was the worker that took charge of my order, hired by Cidla. However, out of kindness and pity for Kyara/Luismi's situation in Venezuela, I decided still offer partial compensation (upfront) for him to continue working on my account.
See link for proof of trade: https://i.imgur.com/PUy84IU.png
See link for proof of payment: https://i.imgur.com/ZWaJKDf.png , https://i.imgur.com/Qa91Fph.png
Do note that the deadline in the photo is incorrect, I did not notice it before confirming. It should have been 20 June 2022 or 21 June 2022. I felt that having his loyalty (and future collaborations) was more important to me moving forward than the additional sum I had to pay but I guessed I was wrong. Additionally, I have also tried to help him by pooling requests from friends so that he has more work in the future and thus more income for him and his family. But this never materialized as he was not able to finish this order.

How they scammed: Kyara/Luismi picked up my order for 35-73 agility and 1-83 hunter in mid May. Two months later, he has only done 35-66 agility and 1-48 hunter. There were multiple delays over and over again, be it his health, electricity or weather. I have been extremely understanding throughout and I have tried to always accommodate his unfortunate circumstances. To be honest, I always gave him the benefit of the doubt, and looking back in hindsight I think he was probably being deceptive throughout. Yes I acknowledged that at times because I had another worker on the account doing another job he was unable to work. However, this was usually not for more than 2-3 hours and on less than a few occasions as I would give Kyara/Luismi the priority by telling the other worker to hop off. It is extremely frustrating for me because Kyara/Luismi has always claimed that I needed to trust him, which I have always given, but he has failed to keep his assurances and promises every single time.

On 20th July, I noticed that there was still no work done (when my other worker had completed his work on 18th), and Kyara/Luismi said he was waiting for me to tell him when to hop on. Fair enough, I may have not been clear. https://i.imgur.com/ygEz2Dg.png

However, on 25th July there was still no work done and Kyara/Luismi said that was because he was trying to leave the country and was unable to work. This was the last straw for me and I requested that he could either pay back half the amount initially given even though he did not even complete half of the work or face a sythe report. https://i.imgur.com/bV0mzuK.png

I decided to give him one more chance to make it up. Instead telling him to do mining from 60-85 which in total is less exp owed than 35-73 agility and 1-83 hunter. And he assured me that he was going on a trip and would return on Friday 29th July (But wasn't he trying to leave the country desperately previously?). Never mind, I gave him the benefit of the doubt again. Friday rolls by and no response so I demanded a refund. https://i.imgur.com/3Psd35r.png

Today (31st July) he replies saying that he's not willing to compromise and neither is he able to refund me half the amount. Kyara/Luismi claims that I am preventing him from working because I already passed on his previous work to another worker. However, I disagree with this. I have tried to find alternative means to ensure that he can still pay me back but he is only fixated on one thing. I also do not think it is fair to fire my other worker (who given me zero issues thus far) and give back Kyara/Luismi his old task with zero guarantee he will finish it. Furthermore, Kyara/Luismi has made threats to delete his sythe and discord to ban evade and also falsely claims that he has "pictures" or dirt on me.

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Other relevant trade screenshots: I am willing to provide mods through pm (due to sensitive information) the entire convo history if necessary please let me know thanks.

 

[Luismi]

I haven't stolen money from him, I'm willing to finish the job I started, but I can't do the skills he wants me to do, I can finish hunter and agility to solve the problem, that he doesn't want me to finish is not my problem but no I've stolen money, I know it's lasted a long time but I'm just willing to finish the job I started

 

[osrscharr]

Update: Following this report and after further correspondence with Kyara/Luismi, he has no intention to intention to work things out amicably. I still disagree with his points that I am preventing him from completing the order, and me hiring another worker (even though I gave him a heads up about a week ago on 26th July that I will do so) is unfair to him. Additionally, I will also dispute his claims that his intention was to restart the order on Friday. If you refer to the earlier pictures, he never mentions this. I will also highlight that during our numerous exchanges, Kyara/Luismi has never provided me timelines whenever there were delays, and whenever I brought this up, he avoids the topic. Even today, he claims he will finish it but yet offers no indication of when that will be. This I see, is nothing more than another empty promise.

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Seeing his response to the whole situation, I do not feel comfortable having Kyara/Luismi work on any of my accounts or for anyone else. I leave this up to the Sythe mods to decide on the outcome of this dispute.

 

[Luismi]

as you can see the images that my friend osrscharr puts, in none of my messages does it say that I resign myself to paying, on the contrary I want to finish the work that I started to clarify this problem, but I can't do a job that I haven't started, which is mining 85 I can't do that, on his part it is too sinful to place another worker and then come to create a dispute in sythe, by the way as he says, he had no right to pay me for this work, so he did it to help me because previously his friend Cidla had scammed me, so how can this be resolved?

 

[osrscharr]

Just responding to Kyara/Luismi:

1. "as you can see the images that my friend osrscharr puts, in none of my messages does it say that I resign myself to paying"

I never made any claims that you said you would refund me. That is the reason for this Sythe report, so I am able to get my money back. Also you did offer to refund me at one point in case you had forgotten.
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2. "on the contrary I want to finish the work that I started to clarify this problem, but I can't do a job that I haven't started, which is mining 85 I can't do that"

It's the same always. You only claim that you want to work and finish the order when I tell you that I have been waiting or now when you're on Sythe. What about the times I don't ask or when there is no report. You don't even give me any updates unless I ask and you don't even have any urgency to complete the order giving excuses after excuses. Again, you never provide a timeline of when you can finish the order by. You can't do a job that you haven't started? I don't quite understand because based on everything thus far you can't even do a job that you started. Also, it's not that you can't do my suggestion, it's that you're just not willing to try and compromise. You gave the excuse that mining (a stationary click-drop simulator) is more complex than hunter and agility. I never fixated on just mining alone, I also asked if you could do other skills to made up for your mistake but you said no.


3. "on his part it is too sinful to place another worker and then come to create a dispute in sythe"

I have every right to make a Sythe dispute, because it is unreasonable to be waiting for around 2 months for the order to be completed (that's like 3 bonds being wasted). In case you forgot, you said yourself that you could finish more complex orders in a shorter amount of time and that you had a team of many workers working for you.
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It was not wrong for me to get someone else to do your work. I did not just do it out of the blue without your knowledge. I gave you a heads-up and to reply to me, which you just ignored. To refresh your memory, I told you first on 24th July of my intention to get another worker. I reminded you again on the 25th and then again on 26th July. I even waited for your reply on the 30th (I accounted for time-zones and gave you one extra day to reply) but you did not.
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4."by the way as he says, he had no right to pay me for this work, so he did it to help me because previously his friend Cidla had scammed me"

Please don't twist my words here. If you completed the order you definitely deserved to be paid. What I said before was that I had no obligation to compensate you for the sum that Cidla had scammed you. I could have just passed on the work to another more reputable provider but instead I chose to continue with you so the order can be completed and you can get reimbursed for your work. You claim that I did not help you, let's not forget this dispute here is not about me not wanting to pay you for the work you had done, its the other way around. I gave you the payment upfront as a form of trust which I think most people would not do, and now I want get back the amount for the uncompleted work and bonds etc. You keep throwing out accusations that Cidla and I are colluding because "we" scammed you. I have ZERO affiliation to him and unless you have evidence, please don't throw these baseless accusations at me. You can look at this site for the proof that Cidla exit scammed many people. If I truly were a scammer as you claimed, please help me make sense why I would just give you money upfront to complete a current order? I already proved that I had no connection with Cidla and we settled this issue before we proceeded with this order. If you truly had reservations about my legitimacy, you would have made a Sythe report about me, which I told you that I was okay with but would challenge to clear my name.
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5. In DMs you portray yourself as being unafraid of Sythe, but over here it you act the complete opposite. Let me remind you that at numerous times during the order you had to ask me if I was going to report you for not completing the order. And time after time I reassured you that I wasn't going to. So really who's the one being deceitful here right now? You were well aware of what you were doing, you knew that you just milk my kindness to its maximum. Please don't try to take the moral high ground in this dispute, it's extremely disgusting of you to attempt to point the blame at me for this whole situation.
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[Luismi]

no, you're not right about anything, I'm not taking the money, I'm willing to finish hubter and agility, no mining, and if you added another worker without my knowledge, but let everything be in the hands of the mods, your decision was to fire me work that I was doing, so then I have nothing to do with you, have a good day brother and luck in your life

 

[osrscharr]

no, you're not right about anything, I'm not taking the money, I'm willing to finish hubter and agility, no mining, and if you added another worker without my knowledge, but let everything be in the hands of the mods, your decision was to fire me work that I was doing, so then I have nothing to do with you, have a good day brother and luck in your life

What do you mean I added another worker without your knowledge? I told you on 24th July, 25th July, 26th July and on 30th July. The worker only started the job after you did not reply on the 30th.
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[Luismi]

What do you mean I added another worker without your knowledge? I told you on 24th July, 25th July, 26th July and on 30th July. The worker only started the job after you did not reply on the 30th.
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I never accepted and I never accepted to do another skills, I told you that I was trying to go on a trip, that on Friday I wrote to you and I wrote on Saturday, so you fired me I have nothing to do with you, I can only finish the work that I started and if not you wanted I can do nothing but wish you good luck

 

[osrscharr]

I never accepted and I never accepted to do another skills, I told you that I was trying to go on a trip, that on Friday I wrote to you and I wrote on Saturday, so you fired me I have nothing to do with you, I can only finish the work that I started and if not you wanted I can do nothing but wish you good luck

I didn't say that you accepted to do another skills. I only said you ignored all my messages and suggestions to solve this issue before you went on your trip. You told me that you'd be back on Friday 29th July but you didn't reply me until Sunday 31st July. Now that you have confirmed that you were going on a trip, didn't you say that you were trying to leave the country to another country where you can better work? So which is it, you were trying to leave the country or you took a holiday, please clear this up.

By the way I have never fired you at all, please don't make it seem this is the case. You are the one that first told me not to contact you anymore and you said it yourself that this is over. That means that you stopped on your own accord. But yet, you still keep contacting me afterwards? So make up your mind, did I fire you or did you leave yourself. https://i.imgur.com/f4ogi0B.png

Sure, let's say I am willing to give you one more chance to finish this order, please and for the first time, write down how long you are going to take. This way everyone can hold you accountable for your words and you won't be able to make any excuses any longer.

 

[Luismi]

I didn't say that you accepted to do another skills. I only said you ignored all my messages and suggestions to solve this issue before you went on your trip. You told me that you'd be back on Friday 29th July but you didn't reply me until Sunday 31st July. Now that you have confirmed that you were going on a trip, didn't you say that you were trying to leave the country to another country where you can better work? So which is it, you were trying to leave the country or you took a holiday, please clear this up.

By the way I have never fired you at all, please don't make it seem this is the case. You are the one that first told me not to contact you anymore and you said it yourself that this is over. That means that you stopped on your own accord. But yet, you still keep contacting me afterwards? So make up your mind, did I fire you or did you leave yourself.

Sure, let's say I am willing to give you one more chance to finish this order, please and for the first time, write down how long you are going to take. This way everyone can hold you accountable for your words and you won't be able to make any excuses any longer.

They are not excuses, I accept that I failed to last a long time but it is not because I wanted to if I had problems, I answered you on Saturday 30 brother, you fired me you put another worker in my place and you said that if I wanted to work I should do mining 85 to solve the problem problem and I refused to mine because I can't do that

 

[Luismi]

They are not excuses, I accept that I failed to last a long time but it is not because I wanted to if I had problems, I answered you on Saturday 30 brother, you fired me you put another worker in my place and you said that if I wanted to work I should do mining 85 to solve the problem problem and I refused to mine because I can't do that

 

[osrscharr]

They are not excuses, I accept that I failed to last a long time but it is not because I wanted to if I had problems, I answered you on Saturday 30 brother, you fired me you put another worker in my place and you said that if I wanted to work I should do mining 85 to solve the problem problem and I refused to mine because I can't do that

No you are wrong here, I did not say that 85 mining was the only way to solve the problem. I said that you could either refund the amount or you could do other skills to make up for it, you said no. https://i.imgur.com/BMPu2n5.png

And just to clarify to the Sythe Mods, I know I previously requested to Kyara/Luismi that half of the original paid amount would suffice. I have decided to change my stance on that from the point of this report's creation. Kyara/Luismi only completed a total of 556,862/3,643,603 exp which equates to only around 16% completion. The amount I want reimburse if Sythe finds this report in my favor is the remaining 84% and if possible the cost of the bonds from the initial promised completion date (https://i.imgur.com/PUy84IU.png) till the inception of this report.

 

[Luismi]

No you are wrong here, I did not say that 85 mining was the only way to solve the problem. I said that you could either refund the amount or you could do other skills to make up for it, you said no. https://i.imgur.com/BMPu2n5.png

And just to clarify to the Sythe Mods, I know I previously requested to Kyara/Luismi that half of the original paid amount would suffice. I have decided to change my stance on that from the point of this report's creation. Kyara/Luismi only completed a total of 556,862/3,643,603 exp which equates to only around 16% completion. The amount I want reimburse if Sythe finds this report in my favor is the remaining 84% and if possible the cost of the bonds from the initial promised completion date (https://i.imgur.com/PUy84IU.png) till the inception of this report.

and very well I told you that I don't have money, that I wanted you to let me finish the job, you only asked for mining don't act crazy you're not crazy, and well you fired me so I have nothing more to do with you brother, you put another worker in my place so it doesn't make sense to keep talking to you, good night good luck

 

[osrscharr]

and very well I told you that I don't have money, that I wanted you to let me finish the job, you only asked for mining don't act crazy you're not crazy, and well you fired me so I have nothing more to do with you brother, you put another worker in my place so it doesn't make sense to keep talking to you, good night good luck

I literally just showed you evidence that I gave you options to solve the issue lol, I didn't only ask for mining. And show me the evidence where I fired you, because I did not. I have been trying to resolve this outside of Sythe with you, but you said you were done dealing with me that's the reason why this report is here. If you can't provide the evidence, I really suggest you don't throw out baseless claims.

 

[Luismi]

I literally just showed you evidence that I gave you options to solve the issue lol, I didn't only ask for mining. And show me the evidence where I fired you, because I did not. I have been trying to resolve this outside of Sythe with you, but you said you were done dealing with me that's the reason why this report is here. If you can't provide the evidence, I really suggest you don't throw out baseless claims.

brother, putting a worker in my place is saying goodbye to the work that I was doing, or what would you call that? Second, you gave me 2 options either I would return half of the money or I would mine at 85, I told you that I didn't have the money and you said that you only had 85 nining for me, in case I couldn't do it you had to do this report, don't do it the victim, I told you that I could solve the problem if you let me continue in agility and hunter because mining couldn't do it, that's all

 

[osrscharr]

brother, putting a worker in my place is saying goodbye to the work that I was doing, or what would you call that? Second, you gave me 2 options either I would return half of the money or I would mine at 85, I told you that I didn't have the money and you said that you only had 85 nining for me, in case I couldn't do it you had to do this report, don't do it the victim, I told you that I could solve the problem if you let me continue in agility and hunter because mining couldn't do it, that's all

First, did I not give you ample warnings beforehand that I will get someone else to complete the order? I did not fire you, I wanted you to do something else because you were taking too long. Putting another worker in your place is not "saying goodbye to the work" that you were doing, I was still intending to keep you because we had talked before about future orders following this one (https://i.imgur.com/IpTWBlP.png). It does not serve my interest to fire you because why would I pay you the money up front and then fire you, that makes no sense.

Second, I gave you more than two options, either you refund the amount, do mining to 85 or you could let me know what other skills you could do. Kindly just refer to the image I linked before, when I asked you, you said no, you could only do agility and hunter.

Third, so what you're saying is you're the victim here? You're the victim here because you got paid before any work was done? Even though you are way overdue on your work, even though you only completed 16% of the order, even though you decided to leave on your own accord. Please help me and the rest understand where this makes sense.

And last, you keep saying that you want to solve the problem, but you never say how you are going to do it. So like I said just now, tell me how long more are you going to take to finish it if I give you another chance? Will there be more delays? Will there be more excuses?

 

[Luismi]

First, did I not give you ample warnings beforehand that I will get someone else to complete the order? I did not fire you, I wanted you to do something else because you were taking too long. Putting another worker in your place is not "saying goodbye to the work" that you were doing, I was still intending to keep you because we had talked before about future orders following this one (https://i.imgur.com/IpTWBlP.png). It does not serve my interest to fire you because why would I pay you the money up front and then fire you, that makes no sense.

Second, I gave you more than two options, either you refund the amount, do mining to 85 or you could let me know what other skills you could do. Kindly just refer to the image I linked before, when I asked you, you said no, you could only do agility and hunter.

Third, so what you're saying is you're the victim here? You're the victim here because you got paid before any work was done? Even though you are way overdue on your work, even though you only completed 16% of the order, even though you decided to leave on your own accord. Please help me and the rest understand where this makes sense.

And last, you keep saying that you want to solve the problem, but you never say how you are going to do it. So like I said just now, tell me how long more are you going to take to finish it if I give you another chance? Will there be more delays? Will there be more excuses?

I will not continue arguing with you, the only way I can solve now, is finishing hunter and agility, I said goodbye because I was not going to do 85 mining brother, understand, but well it was your decision

 

[osrscharr]

I will not continue arguing with you, the only way I can solve now, is finishing hunter and agility, I said goodbye because I was not going to do 85 mining brother, understand, but well it was your decision

If the only way now to solve the problem is finishing hunter and agility. Then kindly post here how long you are going to take to finish it. And what will happen if there are delays.

Like I have reiterated time and time again I gave you a couple of options to resolve this issue. First you deny that I did so, now you claim you left because you thought I was fixated on only mining. You clearly avoiding admitting your mistake, whether it is intentional or whether you unintentionally misunderstood what I said the first time, that is not my issue. You left, I did not fire you, let's get things set straight.

 

[Luismi]

Si la única forma ahora de resolver el problema es acabar con el cazador y la agilidad. Entonces amablemente publique aquí cuánto tiempo va a tomar para terminarlo. Y qué pasará si hay retrasos.

Como he reiterado una y otra vez, le di un par de opciones para resolver este problema. Primero niegas que lo hice, ahora afirmas que te fuiste porque pensabas que solo estaba obsesionado con la minería. Estás evitando claramente admitir tu error, ya sea intencional o si no entendiste mal lo que dije la primera vez, ese no es mi problema. Te fuiste, no te despedí, aclaremos las cosas.

lol brother you're crazy, you just asked me for mining it was the only way to start the job again and solve the problem and I refused, I'm not accepting any mistakes, my only mistake was that it took a long time to finish the account I know, but you are the one who wants to play the victim knowing that you gave me no choice but to leave because you put a worker in my place and you wanted me to finish mining 85 to solve the problem, I'm tired of your stupid comments, good night and good luck, you have my discord the only way to solve the problem and return your money is to finish agility and hunter because I have no money, bye

 

[osrscharr]

lol brother you're crazy, you just asked me for mining it was the only way to start the job again and solve the problem and I refused, I'm not accepting any mistakes, my only mistake was that it took a long time to finish the account I know, but you are the one who wants to play the victim knowing that you gave me no choice but to leave because you put a worker in my place and you wanted me to finish mining 85 to solve the problem, I'm tired of your stupid comments, good night and good luck, you have my discord the only way to solve the problem and return your money is to finish agility and hunter because I have no money, bye

What do you mean I gave you no choice to leave lol, I gave you many options, I even asked you what other skills you could do and you didn't want to. Why will I force you to leave when I already paid you the money before you started the service. This is like my fourth or fifth time asking, you keep saying you can finish agility and hunter but you are not even giving me a date when you can finish it by. Don't bother talking over discord, you'll keep twisting my words over and over again. Talk here so it is out in the open and everyone can see if you lie.

If you really have no money but you are the good person you claim you are, then work out a repayment plan to reimburse me for the unfinished work. Do not simply just lie that I fired you and now you claim you cannot return anything to me because you have no money. You claim I am crazy and I am taking advantage of you, yet when you were sick and needed money I tried to help you even though I never worked with you before. When you claimed you wanted to quit your current job because it was not paying well, I reassured you that I'll get more work together for you so you can focus on rs and work more flexible hours. When you had money issues and thus issues with electricity, internet and hours to spend on rs, I reassured you I was understanding and could wait. When the cyclone passed through Venezuela and the times you were sick and couldn't work, I told you to take a break to focus on your health and safety which were more important. You have done nothing but take advantage of my kindness.

Also to the Sythe mods, I have around 80 pages of our discord conversations saved from the first day I met Kyara/Luismi up till today, I will gladly provide everything so nothing can be taken out of context or deleted and to prove everything that I have said thus far is true.