Jefe Dispute

[Jefe1]

So I was banned for "framing" this Jasper M kid on the assumption that I used a cheat client to spawn fake gold?? Lmao?

I don't know what kind of proof this guy provided you to say that I magically produced FAKE gold out of nowhere, but this an absolute joke.


Let me point out some of the sketchy lies and deceitful quotes this complete joke has attempted to splurge to me during this trade:



1.

Cheat Clients/Cheat Engines

The actual fuck? Rofl. Not only do I not have a clue what the fuck these are yet alone how to use them, but I'm pretty sure it's impossible to spawn fake gold, better yet how is there even any proof that I spawned fake gold and dropped it?

If this was the case then people would just spawn gold and sell it right? So that in itself makes 0 sense whatsoever.


2.

First of all the first thing he claimed is that he "only does drop trades of 150m at once".

He then said he did a 300m drop trade just a couple weeks ago:

He then claims he's done 500m+ DROP TRADES which completely contradicts his first statement of only doing 150m at once.

3.

He claimed that "drop trades don't work on F2P" as it'll "change the gold into 25-86k".

For one, this is complete bullshit as for the purpose of this dispute I went out of my way to test this method with 1M cash on a F2P world, I dropped the gold on one account and had someone else pick it up and the gold did not "change" to some random amount. You can test this yourselves.

Furthermore he then changes the amount to 25k-75k:

and then to 75k-86k?

4.

He claims that every website who sells large amounts of gold drop trades, and that he's drop traded over 300 times.

Well these screenshots say otherwise:

5.

Myself and @Excelont worked out a method on how he could have scammed the gold by using the table that he conveniently got me to stand right next to when conducting the trade.

I have PM'ed Excelont the vid on how he could have scammed using this method as it contains RSN's etc... and he can confirm it here if needs be.

The way I carried out the method may not be 100% accurate in terms of the way he performed it as I'm not a A1 frame artist like the idiot reporting me but it shows a completely valid method and by looking at it you can clearly see why he needed "specific time periods" between my drops.

Why the fuck would you need specific intervals between when I drop the items? You can clearly see how he stresses "the time limit is important", if you were to drop trade you just drop the coins and wait for them to fucking appear, am I wrong?



6.

Can you not see how "coincidentally" sketchy this kid is? He gets me to drop 100m talking about specific time intervals and shit, then suddenly accuses me of using cheat clients and has the EXACT knowledge on how to do whatever he's accusing me of doing while reproducing it in a vid?

He can't keep his story straight and as proven, tells a bunch of sketchy lies along the way, but you want to ban me instead... Lmao ok.



In conclusion this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen, I don't use any cheat clients, cheat engines, and I don't know how to use them or what they even were up until this situation.​

 

@Astro please look at hidden post above

 

[Jasper M]

Okay, there has been multiple threads between us here now.

Situation:
Jasper accuses Jefe of scamming and vaguely explains how.
Jefe posts a 'framed' report against Jasper and he get banned.
Jasper posts a 'FRAMED' report against him proving my point with a video that's currently made PRIVATE as it contains usernames. (link) Jefe gets banned.
Jefe posts a 'Haha...' appeal (link).
Jasper posts this post explaining and proving everything with videos.

A lot of people say that even if using Cheat Engine it examines correctly, and most of these people are defending Jefe.


As always, thanks for reviewing.

 

I'll review this once again tonight

 

@Jefe could you make the video you PM'd me a few days ago public again

 

[Jefe11]

This guy lied throughout pretty much the WHOLE transaction, supposedly got scammed 100m, then proceeded to say this:

"I plan to reenact the whole thing with my friend from your prospective"

This basically shows that he's planned to accuse me of using a cheat client in the first place, how would he know how to reenact something I haven't even done?



"You'll see how quickly I can get you IP-banned mate"

Pretty much saying he's an A1 Frame Artist.



"I've got my foot in the door on Sythe"

Sketchy words from a brand new Sythe user with 6 skype contacts.


He could have easily used the table to place the 25k on when I stepped underneath him, then swap them back when I was sending him a message on Skype as my client was minimised when he picked up the cash, all he said was "25k!"


You're just taking word from a sketchy liar who has provided no actual proof of me doing anything, and it's actually quite ridiculous.

 

[Jasper M]

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His first picture, I was talking shit simple as that.

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When I said "I plan to reenact the whole thing with my friend from your prospective."
I was planning to act as the seller (Jefe) and have my friend act as the buyer (me) to show exactly what he did in an easy to view display. I can still make this video if you believe it's needed, I just figured I've shown more than enough evidence. I didn't say it nor mean it like I was trying to "frame" him at all. Just was planning to recreate the situation since I didn't get my portion caught on film as he seemed trusted.

The rest of the photo is me talking shit like I usually do haha.
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He could have easily used the table to place the 25k on when I stepped underneath him, then swap them back when I was sending him a message on Skype as my client was minimised when he picked up the cash, all he said was "25k!"

Actually, I didn't even know this was possible. I tested it and it is possible, good to know I'll never stand next to a table again. But, I have access to your video and at 5:27 I sent the message "25k!" and at 6:47 you look back at your client and we are STILL in trade mate. The gold would have appeared on the table with a red dot on your fucking minimap! Yet again, another lie from you! Thank you come again! I rest my case mate.

 

[Jefe111]

"Actually, I didn't even know this was possible. I tested it and it is possible, good to know I'll never stand next to a table again. But, I have access to your video and at 5:27 I sent the message "25k!" and at 6:47 you look back at your client and we are STILL in trade mate. The gold would have appeared on the table with a red dot on your fucking minimap! Yet again, another lie from you! Thank you come again! I rest my case mate."

That still doesn't rule out the possibility of you logging in with another account and taking the gold, something I'll never know as my client was minimised at the time.



If you want to talk specific terms then given the whole event there's just as much chance that he scammed me as there is me using some cheat client. It's word against word at this point.

I'll give you credit kid, you're actually pretty good at framing people and despite all of your lies and sketchy behaviour you have successfully managed to convince people that you've been scammed by me for a measly 100M 07, props to you, better troll than I could ever pull off.

Looks like your whole set-up lined up perfectly with the events that occurred in the video I took and that's probably why you required your over-specific and still, sketchy time brackets.

I mean from your perspective you frame me, get away with it and hope that I give you an ADDITIONAL 100m to get myself unbanned, or get caught, make a new account and try again. Right? Either way you got the 100m you purchased, win/win.



In conclusion there's nothing more I can do, I've stressed that I had and still don't have the slightest idea of how to manipulate 07 gold and for me it was just a simple 100m gold sale that I vidded as he sketchily asked me to drop trade. In my mind I was never at risk as I would have everything on vid if he tried anything stupid, little did I know I would be accused of "faking" 07 gold rofl.

I'm done trying to fight my side, I've proven that this guy is a compulsive liar and sketchy user but if it's word against word and you decide to take his, then it's bye forever, I'm not going to pay for something I never did nor would I want to be apart of a community where someone can perform something so outrageous and get away with it.

I'm all for the fun, games and trolls, but this is just retarded.

 

[Jasper M]

"Actually, I didn't even know this was possible. I tested it and it is possible, good to know I'll never stand next to a table again. But, I have access to your video and at 5:27 I sent the message "25k!" and at 6:47 you look back at your client and we are STILL in trade mate. The gold would have appeared on the table with a red dot on your fucking minimap! Yet again, another lie from you! Thank you come again! I rest my case mate."

That still doesn't rule out the possibility of you logging in with another account and taking the gold, something I'll never know as my client was minimised at the time.



If you want to talk specific terms then given the whole event there's just as much chance that he scammed me as there is me using some cheat client. It's word against word at this point.

I'll give you credit kid, you're actually pretty good at framing people and despite all of your lies and sketchy behaviour you have successfully managed to convince people that you've been scammed by me for a measly 100M 07, props to you, better troll than I could ever pull off.

Looks like your whole set-up lined up perfectly with the events that occurred in the video I took and that's probably why you required your over-specific and still, sketchy time brackets.

I mean from your perspective you frame me, get away with it and hope that I give you an ADDITIONAL 100m to get myself unbanned, or get caught, make a new account and try again. Right? Either way you got the 100m you purchased, win/win.



In conclusion there's nothing more I can do, I've stressed that I had and still don't have the slightest idea of how to manipulate 07 gold and for me it was just a simple 100m gold sale that I vidded as he sketchily asked me to drop trade. In my mind I was never at risk as I would have everything on vid if he tried anything stupid, little did I know I would be accused of "faking" 07 gold rofl.

I'm done trying to fight my side, I've proven that this guy is a compulsive liar and sketchy user but if it's word against word and you decide to take his, then it's bye forever, I'm not going to pay for something I never did nor would I want to be apart of a community where someone can perform something so outrageous and get away with it.

I'm all for the fun, games and trolls, but this is just retarded.

Where to begin...

That still doesn't rule out the possibility of you logging in with another account and taking the gold, something I'll never know as my client was minimised at the time.

Actually, that alone doesn't rule out that possibility. But, I just took another look at your video and I have more than enough proof that says otherwise.

1. I message him at 5:27 telling him that I only picked up 25k with the message "25k!".
2. He looks back at the trade from 5:56-6:10.
3. He looks again as we're still in trade at 6:47.

5:27-6:47 = 1:20 seconds = enough time for the gold to spawn on the table if I placed it there.
6:10-6:47 = 37 seconds = Not enough time for an account to log in and grab the gold without him seeing it. (accounts can only see other players dropped items after being logged in 60 seconds, not 37 seconds.) Again, this is all on Jefe's video.
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I'm done trying to fight my side, I've proven that this guy is a compulsive liar and sketchy user but if it's word against word and you decide to take his, then it's bye forever, I'm not going to pay for something I never did nor would I want to be apart of a community where someone can perform something so outrageous and get away with it.

No Jefe it's just getting tough to come up with believable lies. You've proven that I am human and that I am bad at recalling information on the spot and that I talk shit, thanks. Goodbye, I just wanted my gold mate. I'm out 100m thanks to you. Hope the $100 was worth it.
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Jefe, before our transaction I had no idea who you were and I only saw your vouches. My provider was offline and I wanted gold... I ended up messaging you and you agreed to my terms of the way I trade. Whether others think 'drop trading' is stupid or whatever, it's how I trade and my provider and I are okay with that so leave that as it be I just wanted my 100m mate. But, you've been keeping this charade up for far too long. Could you please be an honest man and give me my 100m before this report comes to an end? Do it in front of the whole community and admit you were wrong, maybe the admins will have mercy. (I don't know if admins are allowed to have mercy, but just saying)... I just wanted my GP mate, not the drama...

 

[Jefe11111]

1. I message him at 5:27 telling him that I only picked up 25k with the message "25k!".
2. He looks back at the trade from 5:56-6:10.
3. He looks again as we're still in trade at 6:47.

5:27-6:47 = 1:20 seconds = enough time for the gold to spawn on the table if I placed it there.
6:10-6:47 = 37 seconds = Not enough time for an account to log in and grab the gold without him seeing it. (accounts can only see other players dropped items after being logged in 60 seconds, not 37 seconds.) Again, this is all on Jefe's video.


Pull up the video to 4:17, you can clearly see that the live clock and the actual video time are not in sync, that's because hypercam speeds up your clips for whatever reason therefore all your time specifics are stupidly inaccurate. There's around a 4-5 second delay from real time.


It looks like you just fucked yourself over buddy.

Looking at the video more thoroughly, at 5:56 the item you got me to drop is still on the floor, bare in mind he got me to drop this BEFORE I dropped the gold therefore it would have been the first thing he picked up right?

This means that he didn't actually pick up the gold until around 5:55 and just saying "25k!" isn't proof whatsoever that he picked it up at that specific time. More like buying himself time to fuck around with whatever he was doing first, or leaving the item on the floor as anything dropped underneath it would not be visible.

5:55 - 6:47 (given the video delay+time the trade was decline) still isn't enough time for the gold to spawn, and how coincidental that there's almost an exact 10 second gap before the minute it's able to spawn, the same gap that I adhered to when I dropped the items.

REDACT: Screenshot

He also claimed he would confirm via Skype when the first item appeared, so by him not confirming we can conclude that he never saw the item until he picked it up, making it impossible for him to claim "25k!" before confirming the item as it was dropped BEFORE the gold.

Either that or it was another one of his sketchy lies, which makes sense why it was still laying on the floor all the way up until he says "trade me" in which he decides to quickly pick it up.

 

[video]

Moving forward, staff will not get involved in any dispute that involves drop trading. This is just too much of a mess and there's 0 reason to be drop trading to begin with. If users want to engage in riskier trades, they are certainly allowed to, just know that we won't be wasting our time trying to figure out what happened.

The most equitable solution we have come up with here is that since Jasper did actually send Jefe money for the gold, that Jefe will have to pay Jasper half of what is being disputed here, so either $48.50 BTC or 50m 07gp.

A sticky has been created in the markets advising people of staff's policy regarding drop trades

 

The most equitable solution we have come up with here is that since Jasper did actually send Jefe money for the gold, that Jefe will have to pay Jasper half of what is being disputed here, so either $48.50 BTC or 50m 07gp.

I second this, thanks @video.

Jefe will be unbanned once the refund is made.

 

[Jefe11111]

Lol, you want me to pay him an additional 50m to get unbanned when he gets to walk away with 100m 07 that he's successfully scammed + the 50m you want me to pay him? It's never happening.

Let's Flashback to the Furreal situation where he was actually able to provide proof that there was a bit of miscommunication with the trade, although I still didn't think he was entitled to any sort of refund I gave it to him anyway given the factual evidence that was presented to me.

On the other hand this guy who has told countless lies and produced some sketchy drop trade transfer has provided absolutely no proof other than reproducing HIS OWN KNOWLEDGE on how to manipulate 07 gold, which is sketchy enough in itself.

Sorry but I'm not paying for something I haven't done, especially when there is no proof of me doing anything, me paying is basically admitting I'm guilty when I'm not.

So if that means I stay banned then so be it. You've successfully let a compulsive liar and sketchy member into your community.

 

@Jefe Let's not forget that he paid you for the 100M, currently he's down 100M and you're even.

The verdict stays, staff will give you another 24hours to contact Jasper.

 

[Jefe11111]

No he's not down 100m 07 at all, at this point we're both even, he's just convinced you somehow without any proof that I scammed him, otherwise why would you be saying he's down 100m?

Even after I exposed his countless lies and deceitfulness you still decided to side with the sketchy user who supposedly has drop traded over 300 times, claims all major RWT websites drop trade and not to mention his off-site profiles boasting about hacking.

So no, I will not pay 50m 07 to someone who has framed me just to be unbanned, and it's crazy of you to think I would do such thing.

But for all the people itching to know what I recorded during the trade, please let the whole Sythe community view it, aslong as my RSN isn't visible I'm fine with people being able to publicly view the video as I know I've done nothing wrong.

However if your final decision is that I have to pay 50m 07 to a scammer to be unbanned from a website who's staff are so easily manipulated by a sketchy user, then I must kindly decline and wish all of you a good day.

And shout out to the butthurt discord users who let my trolling emotionally scar them so much so that they sided with a scammer without seeing any actual evidence.

Bye forever.

 

Dispute denied

 

There is insufficient evidence on either side for a ban. Drop trading is risky. Both parties are unbanned until and unless better evidence comes to light.

It is possible the trade limit on Jefe's freshly member'd account had not yet been lifted. This is a hypothesis that should be ruled out first before blame is placed on either side. In particular the amount picked up was 25k which is the trade limit on f2p accounts.