Is this really how this is handled?

When making rational and pivotal decisions such as pardons/disputes, all personal grudges need to be put aside and big boy pants put on and truly see if they're a danger to the site.

I see too many times of the mods taking it too heart when deciding on a pardon/dispute and act like they just got cheated on by their old ex-bf/gf.

 

[Lvl 75 Def]

He just posted information that was available freely on the internet.

Did not even release personal info with that either.

 

In addition, when someone is close with staff or even in a relationship with someone on staff, they're going to get those extra perks. That's how it is and most people should accept that. That's how it is in the world, it's now what ya know but who ya know. And I'm afraid Sythe is that way too.

 

[Laptop65]

I don't think I've ever heard too many stories of adults commiting but not the point, cyberbullying isn't against the rules and most of the trolling was done in the spam forum which you will only get 'bullied' if you post there in the first place... Scamming someone is taking someone's posessions. Two completely different things

But you don't know what someone is thinking in their head.

That's besides the point he's entitled to be treated with respect just as much as you and me are.

I also presume that Nano isn't an insecure teenage girl, you'd assume he could handle this professionaly after all these years and as sythe admin.
I understand it can affect people massively, but you'd think nano would've calmed down by now no? It was spam forum aswell, SPAM FORUM.

No he isn't. And I'm not sure you were aware of how bad it got, I even heard a rumor that someone rang up his dad or something. I mean really? That's like 4chan behaviour.

 

[Lvl 75 Def]

But you don't know what someone is thinking in their head.

That's besides the point he's entitled to be treated with respect just as much as you and me are.

No he isn't. And I'm not sure you were aware of how bad it got, I even heard a rumor that someone rang up his dad or something. I mean really? That's like 4chan behaviour.

Didn't hear of that, so i can't judge on that. I think he should've been punished, yes. But i don't think he should've been banned this long and like this. He's not a threat to the site.

 

But you don't know what someone is thinking in their head.

That's besides the point he's entitled to be treated with respect just as much as you and me are.

No he isn't. And I'm not sure you were aware of how bad it got, I even heard a rumor that someone rang up his dad or something. I mean really? That's like 4chan behaviour.

Hattez did not ring up his father however. Why are you trying to use him as a scapegoat in this? Reference only what he did, which was little in the grand picture.

 

Just because the pardons aren't closed prematurely doesn't mean the worst of offenders would be let back, does it?

If there's reasoning to veto a pardon or separate some pardons from others then the information and reasoning should be passed to staff and they should be allowed to use their judgement and vote.

 

[Abarta]

But you don't know what someone is thinking in their head.

That's besides the point he's entitled to be treated with respect just as much as you and me are.

No he isn't. And I'm not sure you were aware of how bad it got, I even heard a rumor that someone rang up his dad or something. I mean really? That's like 4chan behaviour.

It doesn't matter what someone is thinking in their head to anyone else because they aren't aware what they're thinking about.... Hattez didn't scam anyone and realistically didn't do anything that bad except for trolling but he's still getting harsher treatment than vaders/scammers

 

[Ramirotex]

And I'm not sure you were aware of how bad it got, I even heard a rumor that someone rang up his dad or something. I mean really? That's like 4chan behaviour.

Man i know nothing about this situation but this is stupid unless you have evidence to back it up.


You heard a rumor and you repost it....:laugh:

 

[Lvl 75 Def]

Man i know nothing about this situation but this is stupid unless you have evidence to back it up.


You heard a rumor and you repost it....:laugh:

Spam king.

Anyhow, hattez should get a fair treatment, and nano should stop taking it too personal (even though he's banned for something having to do with him). It's not because it happened to him that he gets to veto, if that'd be the case, no one ever would get pardoned.

 

[Zeus22]

Man i know nothing about this situation but this is stupid unless you have evidence to back it up.


You heard a rumor and you repost it....:laugh:

that rumor is true, though hattez had absolutely nothing to do with that.

But that's beside the point and is off topic.

 

[SuF]

I have to agree. The whole situation is obviously Richard sanctioned favoritism and revenge.

 

N4N0 thinks he's the king of fucking sythe.org.

He can get away with this shit because if anyone calls him out he'll just delete their posts.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Just because the pardons aren't closed prematurely doesn't mean the worst of offenders would be let back, does it?

If there's reasoning to veto a pardon or separate some pardons from others then the information and reasoning should be passed to staff and they should be allowed to use their judgement and vote.

I think it is insane that another admin don't even know what is going down. Again, we have to wonder why things don't get done around here anymore.

 

[FireZ]

Situation has been resolved.

If the banned parties do not make restitution to trin/ryan then they are not eligible for a pardon. Until they are eligible ryan has single veto power.

 

From the SL:

There are four principles to the pardon system:
1. A pardon (and having a sythe account) is a privilege, not a right.
2. Where possible we try to be equitable to our users (not holding personal grudges etc.)
3. The party must show legitimate remorse.
4. Restitution (or best effort at restitution if the victim cannot be found.)

This last is the most important factor. If the offending party (banned member) has not made whole [paid back] the injured parties (if they are still around to be made whole) then he/she is not eligible for pardon.

In this particular case:
If you stole pictures of me naked and posted them around the internet I could sue you. The common law recognizes that monetary compensation is a fair remedy for violation of reasonable expectation of privacy, theft of property and defamation of character.

While this view is unpopular I don't see this case as being different. If we are providing dispute resolution to our members and one member has wronged another then we should follow common law principles, the same as any court would. We should not let members back in if they have not made whole the wronged parties.

TL;DR:
The user is ineligible for a pardon until he/she has made right the wrongs committed.