Insayn3 Pardon Request

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Insayn3 Please note I also apparently have a profile "Leopardly" which was created when I was having issues recovering my Insayn3 account (after a long period of inactivity in which my account details were lost). The "request a password" option when logging in was straight up not working. The aforementioned profile "Leopardly" was created multiple years ago, well before the incident which lead to my ban and as such in no way, shape, or form was it an attempt at ban-evading. I just wanted to read the forums while my main account couldn't be accessed.


Report/post/reason that got you banned:

insayn3 & leopardly The short of it was a chargeback on paypal that was reversed and the seller was more than adequately compensated.


Proof of contacting victims for repayment or repayment of victims:

Here is proof that I personally cancelled the unauthorized activity claim.




Here is the original thread put up by the seller of the account that I purchased:

http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/mmo...ndaries-all-bis-3x-condordance-elite-pvp.html

And here is the account being sold by the buyer after being recovered (after the chargeback attempt, of course). You'll notice the stark similarities between the two threads/accounts. Also note that the date of this account being posted for sale was less than 24 hours after the scam report was posted. It was sold less than a week later.

[Selling] 932 Rogue / 14 Legendaries (ALL BIS) / "THE CHOSEN" / Elite PvP Gear / CHEAP!

Here is him admitting that the account is no longer in my possession and that he has it. Also note, that I purchased a Paladin from him in the past and he wanted me to give him the Paladin in order to get the Rogue back despite him keeping the money. I stopped responding at this point because, frankly, the guy was power tripping and I knew the account would never be really safe to use going forward. I just wiped my hands of the entire matter in order to move on.






Anything you weren't banned for but want to confess to now:

Absolutely nothing. I have consistently been a positive, albeit not so active member of this community since joining. My relationship with Runescape as a whole is very on-again, off-again and as such my relationship with Sythe is much of the same.


Detailed description of the events that took place and why you think we should forgive you:

So, to start things off this entire transaction involved the purchase of a fairly desirable World of Warcraft account. It was desirable mainly because this is when Rogues were absolutely positively mandatory for serious progression raiding. My class, DK, was just short of completely useless and as an adult with full-control over my finances I decided to put money into getting a rogue. I had purchased accounts from the seller before and he always delivered a great product and great experience. He used one of my feedback comments as the "guide" for others leaving feedback. We had a solid relationship.

Upon purchasing the Rogue account for $925, I sent an additional $50 "tip" along with it because I haggled pretty hard with him and again, we had a solid buyer/seller relationship and this account was a much larger deal to me than the extra $50. Fast forward a few months and I put an additional ~$750 into the account via raid carries, M+ carries, etc. The account was very heavily geared up and was one of the most geared rogues on the server.

Unfortunately, as life sometimes does, a promotion + some troubles at home hit me all at once so my time to play WoW diminished to the point where all the gear in the world couldn't make up for the fact that I literally couldn't log in to play the game. The seller will typically buy back accounts (at a loss to the buyer, of course) as his whole deal is buying and selling. Despite hinting that he would after "moving a few other accounts" he eventually declined. He also said that if I tried to sell the account myself that the "warranty" would be gone and that if it was recovered/banned/the "original owner" took it back he couldn't be held liable. This makes sense from the sellers perspective but it put me, the original buyer, in a precarious position. Essentially I was stuck with an account I couldn't resell with full faith that it wouldn't be recovered (which I have absolutely no interest in doing), worth well over $1000, and completely unable to play the game.

Eventually it got to the point where he offered to sell the account for me and I would give him a cut of whatever he ended up selling it for. I went above and beyond and prepared the account for sale, put a bunch of gold on it as well as wrote the entire thread up in the style he used for his threads so all he had to do was literally copy and paste it to put it up for sale. Weeks went by and excuse after excuse of why he couldn't put it up and communication deteriorated and eventually became virtually non-existent.

This is when I made one of the dumbest moves of my entire adult life. I work in finance and pulling this move "in real life" would result in my immediate termination as well as likely a legal inquiry so I have no idea why I did what I did. I fully admit to charging back the paypal transaction knowing full well that the seller would then just take the account back (at the time it was worth more than what it was sold for) and we would go our separate ways. I was absolutely in the wrong and I absolutely admit that.

Not so fast. The seller was predictably upset and reported me. I messaged the moderators on ownedcore stating that I absolutely did what he said and that I was fine with the ban. The seller then proceeded to doxx me and got my personal phone number, found me and my family on facebook, my girlfriends contact information, etc. over the course of a few hours after the initial charge-back. I dropped the charge-back before he got any of my families information but proceeded to use it anyways. Despite him claiming he "beat" my chargeback, I dropped it because it was a move that was completely out of character for me and it just felt plain shitty. None of my family members contacted cared in the slightest and my girlfriend is a Fed so I have his information on record if he decides to ever contact me again.

After the charge-back attempt, he took the account back and re-sold it to someone else. I had enough information about the account to get it permanently banned but I decided to let bygones be bygones and just let it go.

The summarize, after the charge-back occurred and was canceled by me shortly after, the seller went above and beyond to try to intimidate me. I admitted and continue to admit my fault but the seller was absolutely "made-whole" above and beyond what was required.

The seller:

• Kept the $975 total for the account
• Recovered and took the account back
• Re-Sold the account (basically double-dipped)

Yes, it sucks but if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. I played an incredibly stupid game and I won some incredibly stupid prizes.

I'm just looking to get my Sythe account back because it's a place that, while I visit it fairly infrequently, I enjoy visiting and contributing from time to time. I rarely "donate" to a site but I was comfortable doing so with Sythe since it has provided me a lot of amenities over the past 7 or so years that my account was active.

Obviously, I hope you will take everything stated above into consideration when looking over my pardon.

I appreciate your time and apologize for the essay.


Did you fully read and follow this sticky thread in the pardon section?: Yes I did.


Previous pardon link(s) if applicable: Not applicable.

 

I'm going to get in contact with Shark before moving this pardon forward to see his side of the story.
Please be patient while this happens.

Insayn3
Leopardly

 

You claim that; "Despite him claiming he "beat" my chargeback, I dropped it because it was a move that was completely out of character for me and it just felt plain shitty. None of my family members contacted cared in the slightest and my girlfriend is a Fed so I have his information on record if he decides to ever contact me again."

But he claims that; "He opened one dispute, and I beat it, and then he opened an internal chargeback via PayPal. That’s when I confronted him and convinced him to close it. So I did have to go through the process of beating his first dispute even though he closed the second. I think any ban against him should be upheld."

"The guy went behind my back to try and get his money back, I repossessed the account, beat his dispute, and he opened the chargeback. I can’t remember exactly where I got his phone number (the account maybe), but everything he’s saying about personal information is false. The guy is super manipulative."

You also claim he was extremely unhelpful when helping sell the account but he claims; "So I just want that to be clear, because a LOT of his pardon is hyperbolic and panders to his side of the story thinking I’m not on Scythe to defend myself. I told him I would help him resell the account, and he got impatient and opened a dispute. He loses that first dispute, opens a second, I contact him, guilt-trip him into closing it, and then he asks me on Skype to give him the account back."

It also seems like you won't be able to give me any actual proof of this because you removed all your messages with him, why?





There seems to be a lot of pandering to your side of the story, and he can provide proof to all of it. Especially since he provided chatlogs that he did try and help a lot with selling the account.

 

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I'll reply to this piece by piece:

1. I have never opened a chargeback on paypal before this date. I initially opened a claim for item not received as stated which was clearly false. This was beaten before I had done the research on what exact claim to put forth. I submitted the unathorized claim and cancelled it, via phone to make sure it was 100% cancelled, shortly after I realized what it was that I was doing.I understand that ignorance is not an excuse but it's the only one I can offer for this specific claim.

2. I don't find it surprising whatsoever that he claims to have never accessed my personal information. My phone number was never on the account and even on the very, very unlikely chance if it was, it was removed before the sale to prepare the account for sale. Admitting to as much is an automatic ban on OwnedCore. He contacted me on my business phone which is not, by company rule, linked to ANY of my personal endeavors. How he accessed it, I cant answer that.

3. In your post, Chloe, you said "You also claim he was extremely unhelpful when helping sell the account." I straight up never said that. I described the process as one that was being purposefully dragged out for a reason unbenownst to me despite me clearing out the account, deleting any relevant personal info such as payment methods, clearing friends list, etc. as well as writing the ENTIRE thread necessary for the sale. I reached out to the seller to ask him to resell the account and take a cut of the profits in order to do absolutely everything on the "up and up." One of the benefits of buying from the seller is the warranty that he offered. This is something that I personally could not transfer in a guaranteed/safe manner so I reached out to him in September to resell the account and take a cut (as previously stated). In the screenshots that you provided, you'll see that there is still discussion about this going into October despite me preparing the account for sale and writing, literally, the entire thread out for him. It just needed to be copy and pasted.

4. All of the messages with the seller were removed prior to my attempted chargeback.

5. It's definitely an interesting note that he claimed I was a super manipulative individual when the Skype messages posted in the OP (on the Sythe dispute forum) show him very clearly ego-tripping over the fact that the account was in his possession. This is topped off by the fact that he not only acknowledges repossession of the account, feels "sorry for people like me", he also asks me to give him another account (which I purchased from him) to get the other account back. Alright so at this point the seller has $975 for the account and the account worth more than $975 which is currently up for sale. He's asking me to give him an account I purchased for $250 to get the account back which I had already paid for. At this point, I have not and will not respond to the seller. I've wiped my hands of the situation and moved on.

6. Just checked the original OP and the seller edited the thread where he resold the rogue 4 days ago: [Selling] 932 Rogue / 14 Legendaries (ALL BIS) / "THE CHOSEN" / Elite PvP Gear / CHEAP! This seller buys and sells accounts regularly and not a single one of his other threads looks like this. Not to mention completely editing and deleting the contents of a thread like that, with this sort of timing, is akin to me deleting all of my messages in skype. This is, my guess, attempt at covering up the fact that he resold an account that didn't necessarily belong to him. It's one thing to keep the $975 (which is absolutely 100% rightfully his) and repossess the account, but it's an entirely different thing to re-sell it the next day. I don't really know how to look up a cached image of the site prior to the 4 days ago it was edited so any assistance there would be appreciated.


I believe I presented what I originally posted to the best of my ability.

There is absolutely positively no doubt that the seller was MORE than made whole in this situation. Again, he has the orginal $975 that the account sold for, he had the account which was worth OVER $975 and he then proceeded to RE-SELL that account. He attempted to cover that up by editing and deleting all of the information in the re-sell thread 4 days ago (a thread from nearly 4 months ago). You don't do that if you don't have something to hide.

I think it has been established that the seller was fairly compensated.

The last thing I will say is that I absolutely was and will always be in the wrong. I charged back a transaction that I had absolutely no business doing so for personal gain. This was done out of frustration and despiration however in no way, shape, or form does that make it right.

I am seeking a pardon because I did something wrong, the wronged party was made right, and I wish to join back. Any hyperbolic comment or accusation by the seller means nothing because he was more than adequately compensated.

 

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I'll reply to this piece by piece:

1. I have never opened a chargeback on paypal before this date. I initially opened a claim for item not received as stated which was clearly false. This was beaten before I had done the research on what exact claim to put forth. I submitted the unathorized claim and cancelled it, via phone to make sure it was 100% cancelled, shortly after I realized what it was that I was doing.I understand that ignorance is not an excuse but it's the only one I can offer for this specific claim.

2. I don't find it surprising whatsoever that he claims to have never accessed my personal information. My phone number was never on the account and even on the very, very unlikely chance if it was, it was removed before the sale to prepare the account for sale. Admitting to as much is an automatic ban on OwnedCore. He contacted me on my business phone which is not, by company rule, linked to ANY of my personal endeavors. How he accessed it, I cant answer that.

3. In your post, Chloe, you said "You also claim he was extremely unhelpful when helping sell the account." I straight up never said that. I described the process as one that was being purposefully dragged out for a reason unbenownst to me despite me clearing out the account, deleting any relevant personal info such as payment methods, clearing friends list, etc. as well as writing the ENTIRE thread necessary for the sale. I reached out to the seller to ask him to resell the account and take a cut of the profits in order to do absolutely everything on the "up and up." One of the benefits of buying from the seller is the warranty that he offered. This is something that I personally could not transfer in a guaranteed/safe manner so I reached out to him in September to resell the account and take a cut (as previously stated). In the screenshots that you provided, you'll see that there is still discussion about this going into October despite me preparing the account for sale and writing, literally, the entire thread out for him. It just needed to be copy and pasted.

4. All of the messages with the seller were removed prior to my attempted chargeback.

5. It's definitely an interesting note that he claimed I was a super manipulative individual when the Skype messages posted in the OP (on the Sythe dispute forum) show him very clearly ego-tripping over the fact that the account was in his possession. This is topped off by the fact that he not only acknowledges repossession of the account, feels "sorry for people like me", he also asks me to give him another account (which I purchased from him) to get the other account back. Alright so at this point the seller has $975 for the account and the account worth more than $975 which is currently up for sale. He's asking me to give him an account I purchased for $250 to get the account back which I had already paid for. At this point, I have not and will not respond to the seller. I've wiped my hands of the situation and moved on.

6. Just checked the original OP and the seller edited the thread where he resold the rogue 4 days ago: [Selling] 932 Rogue / 14 Legendaries (ALL BIS) / "THE CHOSEN" / Elite PvP Gear / CHEAP! This seller buys and sells accounts regularly and not a single one of his other threads looks like this. Not to mention completely editing and deleting the contents of a thread like that, with this sort of timing, is akin to me deleting all of my messages in skype. This is, my guess, attempt at covering up the fact that he resold an account that didn't necessarily belong to him. It's one thing to keep the $975 (which is absolutely 100% rightfully his) and repossess the account, but it's an entirely different thing to re-sell it the next day. I don't really know how to look up a cached image of the site prior to the 4 days ago it was edited so any assistance there would be appreciated.


I believe I presented what I originally posted to the best of my ability.

There is absolutely positively no doubt that the seller was MORE than made whole in this situation. Again, he has the orginal $975 that the account sold for, he had the account which was worth OVER $975 and he then proceeded to RE-SELL that account. He attempted to cover that up by editing and deleting all of the information in the re-sell thread 4 days ago (a thread from nearly 4 months ago). You don't do that if you don't have something to hide.

I think it has been established that the seller was fairly compensated.

The last thing I will say is that I absolutely was and will always be in the wrong. I charged back a transaction that I had absolutely no business doing so for personal gain. This was done out of frustration and despiration however in no way, shape, or form does that make it right.

I am seeking a pardon because I did something wrong, the wronged party was made right, and I wish to join back. Any hyperbolic, inflammatory or otherwise false comment or accusation by the seller is water under the bridge as he was more than adequately compensated.

 

Sorry for the late reply, I've been busy with things irl and met up with an old time friend.

Your pardon will now go to voting, please be patient as this can take up to 2 weeks.
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