Injustice? I think so.

[Emperor Nero]

Thread I am referring to: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?p=9960444#post9960444

I would like to begin by saying that I really didn't like Chinesekid, but what is happening to him is wrong. All the points made, except the first one, are valid points. All the Runescape wiki images are not in fact 'open source' as Kina claimed, they are a copyright of Jagex and the only reason the Wiki can use them is because they provide them with the correct copyright information and that they are used on the grounds of Fair Use. A signature does none of those things, and it is violating Jagex's copyright on the items in reference. The part on the fonts is also true; most fonts on nearly any site will be only free for personal use and will ask for the creator to be contacted before they be distributed in a commercial application.

I think it is wrong that all of these things are looked over until a mod doesn't like someone and wants to act on it, because it is obvious that they were fighting. You only had to talk to Kina about graphics for 5 minutes to tell that. I think the admins need to take a second look at this, because it is an injustice to just pick out one person to use the rules on.


Nero.

 

[Spraynwipe]

I completely agree with you, and I wanted to post the same thing but decided I'd better not stir up too much trouble. 95% of people in the graphics section use premade textures, effects, c4d's, fonts and everything, yet people tend to overlook this. It's also not legal to use a ripped/pirated copy of software, produce a work then sell it commercially either. I guarantee less than 5 people who actively sell graphics on Sythe have legally purchased a license for Photoshop or the likes.

I think the mods involved have overlooked the fact that the sole purpose of Sythe is to provide a medium for people who want to illegally trade game currencies and items for real money. So what difference is there for someone to make graphics using some resources they took from someone else, to sell to people who are probably only going to use them on these forums anyway. Fair enough if you're making a web design for a large corporation that could get sued for it, but making forum signatures with "stolen" resources and selling them? It's a little overboard and hypocritical to other aspects of this site if you ask me.

Anyway I would personally like to see him unbanned, because it does seem like an unfair ruling. May as well get rid of the graphics section entirely if this is going to be the case from now on.

 

[fpla]

I sent kero enough proof to get Every GFX artist who has ever used a wiki image to be banned/re-done

I'd like to see his response.

 

[Dave.RS]

Wow, what bullshit. Wasn't aware of this situation until now. Wiki images as stated above and mentionned by chinese shouldn't be used either if this were the case. If Chinese somehow has to stay banned - I do feel like mods shouldn't be hypocrite about the situation and should ban everyone that has broken this "rule". And yes, then I'm looking at Kineastic aswell really.

+1 for unban

PS: He even paid 20$ for a license, I mean, who does that?

 

[T R 1 B A L]

Bullshit. Don't make me go through Kina's work and find you all of the flaws in his graphics either, unless he can prove that he legally acquired cinema 4d, Adobe Photoshop, etc.

Stop killing the graphics forum and banning members for silly reasons unless they fully ripped work.

 

[Sanctuary]

When I first read it, I didn't think it seemed fair. I decided not to say anything due to my lack of graphic experience, and what is considered "legal" in that section.

To be frank, I think the ban's BS.

 

[KerokeroCola]

I completely agree with you, and I wanted to post the same thing but decided I'd better not stir up too much trouble. 95% of people in the graphics section use premade textures, effects, c4d's, fonts and everything, yet people tend to overlook this. It's also not legal to use a ripped/pirated copy of software, produce a work then sell it commercially either. I guarantee less than 5 people who actively sell graphics on Sythe have legally purchased a license for Photoshop or the likes.

I think the mods involved have overlooked the fact that the sole purpose of Sythe is to provide a medium for people who want to illegally trade game currencies and items for real money. So what difference is there for someone to make graphics using some resources they took from someone else, to sell to people who are probably only going to use them on these forums anyway. Fair enough if you're making a web design for a large corporation that could get sued for it, but making forum signatures with "stolen" resources and selling them? It's a little overboard and hypocritical to other aspects of this site if you ask me.

Anyway I would personally like to see him unbanned, because it does seem like an unfair ruling. May as well get rid of the graphics section entirely if this is going to be the case from now on.

Trading RS items is not against any real law, whatsoever. We do all we can to stay above the actual law. It's unconscionable to allow people to commit plagiarism simply because of our roots and purpose as a site. We can operate trades legally and still break Runescape rules at the same time. If you want to break the law, go somewhere else.

Bullshit. Don't make me go through Kina's work and find you all of the flaws in his graphics either, unless he can prove that he legally acquired cinema 4d, Adobe Photoshop, etc.

Stop killing the graphics forum and banning members for silly reasons unless they fully ripped work.

Kinaesthetic is merely enforcing the rules laid out. The ban was warranted based on the rules put in place by each of you, as far as I can tell, he hasn't made any "unfair" rules since his time simply to "weed out" competition. The previous work made by both you and spray--not Kin--as mods defined plagiarism in the graphics section; Sythe.org's official rules define the punishment. Kinaesthetic did nothing wrong here, and all of the rest of the staff agree that Chinesekid did commit plagiarism in some way--otherwise, he'd be back already.

Anyway, I agree with you all that the punishment doesn't really suit the crime, and flpa's allegations seem completely true. I've proposed yet another amendment to the Sythe rules to address the crime for plagiarism in such minor instances of plagiarism as these.

 

I suppose all RSGP sales should be nuked too, because we are selling Fagex's property if this is the case.

 

[Dave.RS]

Kero, I do understand what you're looking at and you have very valid points. His ban may be warranted if you're going to be strict, but I'm glad you agree on our points aswell.

Whatever punishment he gets is just fine for me as I agree on the fact that he may have broken some rules, it's not my area of expertise though really. But I do believe that it shouldn't be for one person in particular, but for everyone. And then I especially mean Kineastic. He was the one pointing out the rules, then he shouldn't be breaking them himself. It's only fair.

 

[beethirteen]

I just read this whole thing and though I may not be a very poignant voice in this community I don't think Chinesekid is fairly banned

 

[Karl]

This is being dealt with.