Increase Middleman Utility

I can see what you're saying. But I hate umm...unintelligent middle men. I could name a few where I've personally had complaints about them.

I once heard a story where a MM guaranteed to one of the traders that the account was 100% to never be recovered because it didn't have recovs...He said this just to try to get a +1 proof. I mean it COULD work but it would be a VERY VERY long shot so it probably never would happen. They need to implement a no pm=no proof sort of policy. Would make scammer reports die down.

 

100% support. middlemans are the safest way in trading in sythe i think.

 

I do agree with the no pm policy. It is another way of ensuring your safety and reducing the work on the mods.

You're always going to have idiot middlemen. There's always idiot traders as well. You have to determine if that's important before going into a trade, though. Generally, for intelligent people, it is. But at least you'd be using a middleman.

 

Yeah but I think the no pm=no proof policy is more realistic than the no mm=no scammer report policy. That would have people in an outrage.

 

It is indeed more realistic, and I have no problem seeing that done . It accomplishes part of what I'm suggesting, at least.

 

Yeah I do agree that something needs to be done about all the scammer reports. But I think this MM idea would do more bad than good.

 

I'm not seeing much of the bad, just the difficult. I truly think it'd be more helpful than our current system.

 

Free scams for anyone who doesn't use a MM and you and I both know this will happen.

 

Why free scams, thats why u should use a MM?

EDIT: ooh i understand now.

 

I've had trades where people that are well trusted and well known throughout the community laugh at me for asking to use a MM, I usually get responses like "Do you know who I am?" or "I have over XXX amount of vouches" ETC ETC... This rule would fail because its to easy for the self proclaimed "trusted" users to weasel out of using a MM, and they could just as easily scam someone and get away with it because of this rule you're trying to enforce. The way the system works now is fine, scammers deserve to be banned upon evidence regardless of the use of a MM in the trade.

 

Their fault. Even if it does happen, the idea here is that people need to start taking responsibility for their own well being and stop begging the mods to rub their tummy.

Why do scammers deserve to be banned when the user can't even protect themselves? Why do you deserve to be treated well for not using a system designed to prevent scamming, a system that's taken up countless hours of labor, sweat, blood, etc?

The website shouldn't cater to the people who are too stupid to use something that's been made to prevent things like this. As I see it, if you file a report in which you were scammed, and you didn't use a middleman, it's your fault, and you should not be granted any retribution whatsoever.

 

Read through, support.

 

It makes absolute sense. I agree, this will lower the anmout of scams.

 

You thinking its okay to scam someone thats "stupid' to me sounds like you'd have no problem with scamming yourself, pretty sure you deserve a TWC. To me its out of respect if you know that user is safe why should you use a MM? If he scams you have the right to report. Sythe shouldn't "cater" to people who are childish enough to scam someone just because they were dumb enough to trade without a MM.

 

I think you're missing the point. And I'd never get a TWC, I may be a dickhead, but I'm probably one of the most trusted non-staff. So nyah!

The point here isn't that people who scam shouldn't be punished, it's people that are scammed because they didn't take the necessary precautions should not be helped in any way.

Look, Sythe staff and non-staff alike has put A LOT of work into the middleman system. If users don't use that, and they're scammed, the Sythe staff has to put even MORE work into the report a scammer section. Thereby increasing the work load because they didn't want to play it safe themselves.

Everyone says it, if a person gets scammed, you'll see 20 posts saying "you should have used a middleman". I'm saying "Yes, you fucking should use a middleman. In fact, if you don't use a middleman, you lose your right to bitch".

I'm not supporting scammers, this has VERY little to do with scammers. It has a lot to do with the other spectrum of people who complain and complain and complain about scammers when they get scammed, but they didn't use a middleman. As I see it, if you didn't use a middleman, you didn't take every precaution to ensure your safety. If you don't care enough about your safety to do that, why the fuck should the staff care enough to offer you retribution by punishing the member that scammed you?

I'm not saying scammers shouldn't be banned. They should be, definitely, banned. However, I'm saying that the stuck up kids on this forum that believe the world owes them a favor should not be given special treatment. Use a fucking middleman, or deal with getting scammed, and don't come bitching asking for help when you do get scammed.

Plain and simple . If you don't use a middleman, we won't handle your reports. If you do, we will. It's not a hard concept.

 

This is by far one of the best suggestions I've ever seen. You have my full support.

 

I support, verified mms could be added. Doing this would make alot more people to create mming threads. Which would match the demand for mms.

 

It won't make traders get more Official Middlemen in their trades. You know why? There are many highly trusted free middlemen (for example Skele) who are trying to get their OMM status, so for trades like pins or so you'll use them. And when you're trading loads of cash, you'll always get a OMM, you won't pay the OMM fees when trading $50 when you have highly trusted free MM's.

Anyways, I like your idea and probably it'll lower the scam rate in Sythe. Support.

 

I don't agree.
We would have more middlemen, which we don't need. I still don't like how the site works middlemen, but it is what it is.

 

A few people were suggesting a bit be added to the Middleman system now to support this suggestion and make it flow a little smoother. (read first page).

There's nothing wrong with an influx of middlemen. They're important, and if they can help stabilize trading on Sythe, I see no problem with it at all.

Whether or not you prefer the system doesn't matter here at all, what matters mainly is whether or not you care enough to protect yourself.