Immigrants.

[1337Neo]

I made a thread "LONG" ago discussing this, however I had a bad example. So I'm remaking this topic.

Lets talk immigrants. They're everywhere if you're in a first world country, Canada, US, UK, Australia, you name it, they're everywhere in the Western world, especially Asians. I'm Asian myself, but I'm gonna put out some valid reasons as to why they should not be allowed to live in a country that they're not willing to adapt in. Now I'll be focusing more on Asians than other cultures, but same thing applies really...

1. Language - If you notice, most immigrants that are older adults that immigrate to an English country from said country, don't know English. Communication is key in an English speaking country. If you're moving to a country who's main language is English, and you don't bother even putting in an effort learning English, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE!? People who are immigrating here with no experience in English at all should have to take a class and write an English essay, and have to score higher than 60% on that essay and an oral test as well. Because, if they're not putting in an effort to learn English, then why let them stay in a country who's main language is English. Makes no sense, but I hear about this problem pretty often.

2. Contribution - Now, there's gonna be mixed reaction with this argument. But there are people in these countries that do "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING", it's crazy right? They don't contribute to society, they don't do anything nice for people, they just sit around and let people take care of them. This is more directed to older individuals. But what I'm saying here is, what's the point of having them here than their native country? They're essentially just wasting away the countries resources. Worst part about it is, they do nothing.

3. Population - Immigrants add to the population quite a lot. Imagine if California or British Columbia was free of immigrants, it wouldn't have a shit ton of people over flooding the city. The population in California wouldn't have more people than Canada and it certainly would make driving a lot less jammed.

4. Culture - I know everyone likes to keep their culture, whether you're Chinese, Indian, whatever. I'm not saying everyone should "FULLY" 100% change their culture, but what I am saying is to adapt to the culture of the country you're in. Back to language for a second, I think it's retarded that people neglect certain media cause it's "ENGLISH" while you're in an English country. A good movie or TV show that's in English is neglected, just because you're whatever. While living in a English country, people should learn to experience other cultures, specifically the one they're living in. People are "STUCK" up and only care about what's going on in their world. Not willing, not intelligent enough, not down for any change. So why are they here? Some people don't know anything about the history of the country, nothing at all. If you're moving to a place like China, you gotta experience their culture as well, not change, but experience.

Well, this is all I got off the top of my head. This is more directed to the older people then anything. Someone in their mid 20's has a chance to catch up. But for example, my dads been here for 30+ years and he's in his mid 50's to 60. He can't even throw a proper sentence together. Also, my mum's brainwashed by the Chinese government. I knew of this one guy who had a step grandfather, he doesn't even know how to put a sentence together, but I'm sure he knows a few words at best. I have plenty more examples, but discuss away.

-LeetNeo.

 

[taylor1234]

I made a thread "LONG" ago discussing this, however I had a bad example. So I'm remaking this topic.

Lets talk immigrants. They're everywhere if you're in a first world country, Canada, US, UK, Australia, you name it, they're everywhere in the Western world, especially Asians. I'm Asian myself, but I'm gonna put out some valid reasons as to why they should not be allowed to live in a country that they're not willing to adapt in. Now I'll be focusing more on Asians than other cultures, but same thing applies really...

1. Language - If you notice, most immigrants that are older adults that immigrate to an English country from said country, don't know English. Communication is key in an English speaking country. If you're moving to a country who's main language is English, and you don't bother even putting in an effort learning English, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE!? People who are immigrating here with no experience in English at all should have to take a class and write an English essay, and have to score higher than 60% on that essay and an oral test as well. Because, if they're not putting in an effort to learn English, then why let them stay in a country who's main language is English. Makes no sense, but I hear about this problem pretty often.

2. Contribution - Now, there's gonna be mixed reaction with this argument. But there are people in these countries that do "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING", it's crazy right? They don't contribute to society, they don't do anything nice for people, they just sit around and let people take care of them. This is more directed to older individuals. But what I'm saying here is, what's the point of having them here than their native country? They're essentially just wasting away the countries resources. Worst part about it is, they do nothing.

3. Population - Immigrants add to the population quite a lot. Imagine if California or British Columbia was free of immigrants, it wouldn't have a shit ton of people over flooding the city. The population in California wouldn't have more people than Canada and it certainly would make driving a lot less jammed.

4. Culture - I know everyone likes to keep their culture, whether you're Chinese, Indian, whatever. I'm not saying everyone should "FULLY" 100% change their culture, but what I am saying is to adapt to the culture of the country you're in. Back to language for a second, I think it's retarded that people neglect certain media cause it's "ENGLISH" while you're in an English country. A good movie or TV show that's in English is neglected, just because you're whatever. While living in a English country, people should learn to experience other cultures, specifically the one they're living in. People are "STUCK" up and only care about what's going on in their world. Not willing, not intelligent enough, not down for any change. So why are they here? Some people don't know anything about the history of the country, nothing at all. If you're moving to a place like China, you gotta experience their culture as well, not change, but experience.

Well, this is all I got off the top of my head. This is more directed to the older people then anything. Someone in their mid 20's has a chance to catch up. But for example, my dads been here for 30+ years and he's in his mid 50's to 60. He can't even throw a proper sentence together. Also, my mum's brainwashed by the Chinese government. I knew of this one guy who had a step grandfather, he doesn't even know how to put a sentence together, but I'm sure he knows a few words at best. I have plenty more examples, but discuss away.

-LeetNeo.

Tbh a majority of your post was not very well though out.

1. Why should every immigrant have to learn english? I would say a majority of the immigrants here are not taught english in school, thus making it difficult for them to pick it up. Also your argument can be flopped and say why can't Americans learn to be bi-lingual. 50 million americans are spanish speaking, thats quite a bit.

2. Many non immigrants are non contributors. Over 80% of the people on welfare are either white or black.

3. population is a concern

4. You said people should learn about other cultures, but what is preventing many Americans from experiencing other cultures. Also if everyone adapted to "our culture" then it would be one boring world. Your whole argument is based on ethnocentrism.

 

[1337Neo]

Tbh a majority of your post was not very well though out.

1. Why should every immigrant have to learn english? I would say a majority of the immigrants here are not taught english in school, thus making it difficult for them to pick it up. Also your argument can be flopped and say why can't Americans learn to be bi-lingual. 50 million americans are spanish speaking, thats quite a bit.

2. Many non immigrants are non contributors. Over 80% of the people on welfare are either white or black.

3. population is a concern

4. You said people should learn about other cultures, but what is preventing many Americans from experiencing other cultures. Also if everyone adapted to "our culture" then it would be one boring world. Your whole argument is based on ethnocentrism.

1. English is worldwide, you would not have trouble finding a person that speaks English. If you live in an English speaking country, are you not expected to know at least a decent amount? I mean, how stupid would you look if you went and lived in China your whole life not knowing at least a little bit of Mandarin?

2. That's what I'm saying, don't let immigrants in that are non-contributors. At least help do something.

4. Okay, look at it like this. If you lived in China, would you not learn about their culture? I mean you don't gotta "CHANGE", but experience, learn and digest. If an immigrant is living in said English speaking country, and they don't learn or experience or adapt to the culture, what are they doing there in the first place? Why'd they decide to "LIVE THERE"? Like I said, they don't gotta change, but experience the culture in that country. But most of them don't, because they're usually stuck up. I mean like, they can express their own culture in whatever way they want, but they should be aware of the culture in the country they're in.

-LeetNeo.

 

[djweasel]

I just saw something about Obama trying to help the immigrants recently and I heard of cops stopping people on the street asking to see papers in some towns.

 

[Recidivism]

1/3 federal prisoners are illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrant is cause for much crime in united states.

Illegal immigrants do not pay hospital bills and create a drain on welfare services.

 

[Sinsevenln]

Personally, I don't really care much for culture in general, but I'm not the kind to make a problem out of it so if I were a potential immigrant, I would consider which country I would be best suited for to live in. Although this would be a rational thought process for someone who isn't desperate for a better standard of living, so it would rule out the mass number of people who flock to wherever there are considerably better living standards.

In terms of your reasoning regarding contribution, it's difficult to determine these things. You mustn't forget that there are people in every country who grew up and were born there that do not contribute, and maybe even damage their society/economy. I would argue that work is the overriding incentive for immigration, and that is completely understandable.

That's all I can be bothered to comment on in this matter at the moment.

 

[woodcut ox]

Tbh a majority of your post was not very well though out.

1. Why should every immigrant have to learn english? I would say a majority of the immigrants here are not taught english in school, thus making it difficult for them to pick it up. Also your argument can be flopped and say why can't Americans learn to be bi-lingual. 50 million americans are spanish speaking, thats quite a bit.

2. Many non immigrants are non contributors. Over 80% of the people on welfare are either white or black.

3. population is a concern

4. You said people should learn about other cultures, but what is preventing many Americans from experiencing other cultures. Also if everyone adapted to "our culture" then it would be one boring world. Your whole argument is based on ethnocentrism.

Well you're wrong on a couple things here.

1.) they do have special classes for people who cant speak English, only know partial English, Who are slower at English, etc. I know this because Mrs. Barbone teaches one of them 6th hour that I TA (teachers assistant) for. To the next part of your question, why should we learn Spanish because 50% of people know it. In our high-school and even some colleges your REQUIRED to take 2 years of a language. That's 4 classes i could take in accounting and and business that will help me in my future.

2.) To get Welfare and social benefits you need to be legal, Experts have said on multiple occasions they range it to be from 10 - 20 millions illegal immigrants, and we only let in 200,000 from mexico a year from last i heard. where a vase majority come from, so In this debate those numbers don't really matter. California is a prime example of this. Poverty is pretty high over there.

3.) Nothing to argue about, population is becoming a problem.

4.) Our "whole" culture is a mixing pot of multiple cultures that produces a lot of things the rest of the world follows like fashion styles. Most people look at our culture an see things they can recognize and enjoy. So "our" culture is still part of "their" culture. Examples of this would be little Italy or China town.

 

[Divine_God]

Tbh a majority of your post was not very well though out.

1. Why should every immigrant have to learn english? I would say a majority of the immigrants here are not taught english in school, thus making it difficult for them to pick it up. Also your argument can be flopped and say why can't Americans learn to be bi-lingual. 50 million americans are spanish speaking, thats quite a bit.

2. Many non immigrants are non contributors. Over 80% of the people on welfare are either white or black.

3. population is a concern

4. You said people should learn about other cultures, but what is preventing many Americans from experiencing other cultures. Also if everyone adapted to "our culture" then it would be one boring world. Your whole argument is based on ethnocentrism.

Tbh the majority of your post is not very well thought out.

1. Stupid fucking argument all relying on equality and not practicality. How about you move to china ( in most cases here illegally ) and refuse to speak a word of Chinese. Don't take offense when others dislike you/won't associate with you.

2. Why do you even mention blacks/whites? Unnecessary information. If you're here illegally you should not receive government subsidies. Period. I don't care about ethnicity.

3. Most agreeable statement you've made yet.

4. You move new places and contribute, not expect others to learn about you. It's as if I'm assumed to understand and attempt to understand other peoples cultures but they refuse to assimilate to the one they now live in. Cognitive dissonance out the ass.

 

[Recidivism]

Well you're wrong on a couple things here.

1.) they do have special classes for people who cant speak English, only know partial English, Who are slower at English, etc. I know this because Mrs. Barbone teaches one of them 6th hour that I TA (teachers assistant) for. To the next part of your question, why should we learn Spanish because 50% of people know it. In our high-school and even some colleges your REQUIRED to take 2 years of a language. That's 4 classes i could take in accounting and and business that will help me in my future.

2.) To get Welfare and social benefits you need to be legal, Experts have said on multiple occasions they range it to be from 10 - 20 millions illegal immigrants, and we only let in 200,000 from mexico a year from last i heard. where a vase majority come from, so In this debate those numbers don't really matter. California is a prime example of this. Poverty is pretty high over there.

3.) Nothing to argue about, population is becoming a problem.

4.) Our "whole" culture is a mixing pot of multiple cultures that produces a lot of things the rest of the world follows like fashion styles. Most people look at our culture an see things they can recognize and enjoy. So "our" culture is still part of "their" culture. Examples of this would be little Italy or China town.

 

[Fendle]

If you aint willing to adapt to the culture and gonna say the UK is against my religion or human rights or something or don't speak good english fuck off back to your own country.

It's awesome having a mixed culture but only if they can adapt to your country


VOTE UKIP.

 

[woodcut ox]

I Agree with all these rules.

Just because we are the "free" country doesn't mean were servants to your fresh of the boat/desert ass. Make it on your own, just like the pilgrims and everyone else did before we established things like this 50 or so years back.

 

[Him]

America was founded by immigrants, i am a 7th generation American however my ancestors from Italy, Portugal,Spain and France all came here and prospered.

I do not agree. America is an immigrant country.

Irish, Swedish, German, African, Indian, Latin American Countries, Chinese, Japanese and more have all come here for a better life and we as Americans treat them badly because of them bringing their different cultures into our nation? No wonder the world thinks Americans are ignorant.

 

[Him]

HOWEVER I DO AGREE THAT IMMIGRANTS CAN NOT COME HERE TO CORRUPT OUR WAY OF LIFE! They should be allowed here but not allowed to be scammers and swindlers and thugs!

 

[T V]

I made a thread

1. Language - If you notice, most immigrants that are older adults that immigrate to an English country from said country, don't know English. Communication is key in an English speaking country. If you're moving to a country who's main language is English, and you don't bother even putting in an effort learning English, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE!? People who are immigrating here with no experience in English at all should have to take a class and write an English essay, and have to score higher than 60% on that essay and an oral test as well. Because, if they're not putting in an effort to learn English, then why let them stay in a country who's main language is English. Makes no sense, but I hear about this problem pretty often.

If they aren't going to learn the language of the country they're living in (whether it be because they don't have time, or whatever the reason), do you think it's likely they'll be working anywhere that requires a sophisticated understanding of the language? It's not very hard to learn to say, "would you like fries with that"?

2. Contribution - Now, there's gonna be mixed reaction with this argument. But there are people in these countries that do "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING", it's crazy right? They don't contribute to society, they don't do anything nice for people, they just sit around and let people take care of them. This is more directed to older individuals. But what I'm saying here is, what's the point of having them here than their native country? They're essentially just wasting away the countries resources. Worst part about it is, they do nothing.

Are the majority of those people immigrants?

3. Population - Immigrants add to the population quite a lot. Imagine if California or British Columbia was free of immigrants, it wouldn't have a shit ton of people over flooding the city. The population in California wouldn't have more people than Canada and it certainly would make driving a lot less jammed.

true that.

4. Culture - I know everyone likes to keep their culture, whether you're Chinese, Indian, whatever. I'm not saying everyone should "FULLY" 100% change their culture, but what I am saying is to adapt to the culture of the country you're in. Back to language for a second, I think it's retarded that people neglect certain media cause it's "ENGLISH" while you're in an English country. A good movie or TV show that's in English is neglected, just because you're whatever. While living in a English country, people should learn to experience other cultures, specifically the one they're living in. People are "STUCK" up and only care about what's going on in their world. Not willing, not intelligent enough, not down for any change. So why are they here? Some people don't know anything about the history of the country, nothing at all. If you're moving to a place like China, you gotta experience their culture as well, not change, but experience.

I don't know what it's like in Canada, but I can't imagine it being too different than the United States (at least in the more densely populated areas). However, in the U.S.'s case, what sort of culture is there to adapt to? I've been living here my entire life and it's pretty fucking boring (unless you happen to live on one of the coasts, or near some national park). Personally,
I feel much more attached to my Mexican heritage than I do to the culture of the country I was born in, not just because I think it's richer in substance, but also because the only American "culture" I see around me everyday is one of avarice and apathy. In fact, I don't think the United States has ever really had a single culture. Before the Europeans arrived, the various Native Americans living here all had distinct qualities within their tribes. And even after the Europeans arrived, there were immigrants coming in from Germany, Ireland, England, and later Italy, Russia, France, Romania, China, Japan, all of them bringing with them vastly different cultures.

I don't think immigrants necessarily neglect english-language shows and movies just because they're in English (although not knowing what the people on the T.V. are saying makes it pretty hard to enjoy a program). However, here in the U.S. there are plenty of english-language shows and movies that are translated into spanish and then broadcast on spanish language networks, so it's not as if spanish speakers are completely isolated from the "english" realm of television. Spanish speakers can watch the same things English speakers can, even if it isn't in the original language.


You use the word "immigrants" pretty broadly. Are you referring to illegal immigrants or just plain immigrants, because there are a ton of differences between the two, and there's no way you can analyze their contributions (or lack of them) if you are using the word "immigrants" to refer to both of them simultaneously.

 

[Just Sayin']

Yeah, the people that come to England, then use the excuse about "Human Rights" when something they don't like happens.

The town I work in now, I'd say White British are the minority now, it's frustrating to see people come here & get a free house, car, food, education & other stuff like that.

 

[BmwOwner911]

United states is built from immigrants.. enough said.

 

[xx Sean]

California's economy is run by immigrants. -.- Idk what you mean when you say "it certainly would make driving a lot less jammed." ???? Obviously, in the city/downtown, there's going to be traffic....not comparable to New York though.

 

[Him]

America Is Underpopulated Compared To The Rest Of The World!

 

[Endrit007]

It should be a free world.

 

[Need]

I support the immigration of workers from abroad who have already secured a job in the UK. Currently this only makes up around 30% of immigrants. The other 70% or so come here either searching for work, to stay with family or friends, or they do not specify a reason.

Immigration and multiculturalism simply creates conflicts and divisions between Britons and ethnic minorities, leaving a bitter taste in everyone's mouth.

Also, immigrants taking British jobs is a point used quite often but not argued very well. Immigrants have a far, far higher propensity to send money abroad back to their families, rather than spend it here. This means that money does not re-enter the economy and growth worsens.