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Suggesting to remove that as a rule which allows for any user to be infracted for posting that within this section.

Some suggestions simply require an 'I support'. Some people may not know what else to say, but genuinely do support that said idea. May act as a limiting factor, causing suggestions that are infact popular and warranted to seem not so well received, since people are unable to simply post 'Support', leading them to not post anything at all.
 
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In that case, PC SHOULD be removed.
 
I agree, I have been infracted for this when I first joined Sythe and was pretty confused I just generally liked the idea and had nothing else to say about it.
 
I've got no idea why "I support" can get you infracted, but "bump." is totally fine.
 
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From Moh's thread:

I never claimed it was solely what the admins think, but in the end it does usually come down to the practicality of the suggestion and the ability to implement or change. You, as a global, cannot say 'I like this suggestion and therefore I am going to implement it!' that is why you post suggestion; you have to defer to one of a higher rank, but you also have a lot more pull than normal member. The suggestion forum allows a fraction of community participation and gives the chance for you or I to propose ideas to the community at large. I could have a private discussion with an admin but it is much easier to post one here and to have it picked through concerning the good and bad elements.

Having the forum littered with 'I support' or other variants is not practical. By having posts limited to only those who have constructive opinions concerning the topic you don't have to wade through a lot of I support crap and you can get down to the brass tacks of the suggestion. It makes it a more efficient and much cleaner process and allows the poster to read through valid thoughts concerning the suggestion at hand, just as you and I are doing now. It would be like trying to have an intelligent discussion in the SF, because you know someone is going to pop in and say something like 'OP is fag' or some variation.

The test, in my opinion, for a post to not be counted as spam is: What does this post bring to further advance discussion? I support or I do not support does not add anything to the discussion, it doesn't advance it, make it better, or help with the decision making process. It would be an impediment to the flow of ideas in the simple fact that every thread is going to be laden with two or three word replies that simply would make it tedious to scroll until you found an intelligent opinion.

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I do not support.

How does saying I support further advance a topic of discussion? It doesn't and is therefore useless to say. When will a person just need to say 'I support'? Simple fact, they won't. Their support is irrelevant if they have nothing constructive to add or change about it, because we don't need 100 people just saying 'I support' on a topic. Just because 10 people support it doesn't mean that it is a good suggestion, and you're just going to end up clogging up thread with people just saying 'Support'. Again, how does that advance a suggestion's discussion? Is that not what this forum is for? To come together as a community and form, mold, and discuss suggestions and their relevance to the site?

Also there is a huge difference between bump and support. If the OP bumps a thread then they wish for it to be seen, but someone just posting support doesn't do anything.
 
I agree, I have been infracted for this when I first joined Sythe and was pretty confused I just generally liked the idea and had nothing else to say about it.

I've got no idea why "I support" can get you infracted, but "bump." is totally fine.

Agree, maybe each suggestion thread should have a poll so that people that genuinely wish to just support the idea can vote in the poll, while people that want to provide more detail to their standpoint.
 
A poll with 'I support' / 'I dont support' would suffice for this. No need to remove the rule.
 
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somebody posting I support for posts is really no different than someone going into the music section and posting a music video on the thread, or going here http://www.sythe.org/pokemmo/1517180-how-many-different-pokemon-your-pokedex-caught.html and posting 1000, or going here http://www.sythe.org/pokemmo/1517070-rarest-pokemon-you-have-caught-so-far.html and typing pikachu or going to the video section and posting a random youtube video. There are several sections which have equivalent spam and I'm sure the suggestion section won't be spam filled with 2-3 suggestions being suggested every day. In the end it doesn't even matter whether people support the idea or not if it is a good suggestion it will most likely be implemented if it is a bad suggestion it most likely won't at the moment you are relying on maybe 20-30 people's opinions and not the whole forum because having to post something besides their support deters them.

tl;dr infractions shouldn't be handed out for simply typing "I support"
 
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I still think the rule should be made harsher. A poll on each suggestion with "I support/I don't support" gives across this message - any further discussion on the thread should be constructive criticism or a detailed opinion and nothing less.

People are gonna spam every single suggestion just to get the post count.
 
I support as well, and there is a valid point that Bump on your thread and I support are one in the same when it comes to suggestions
 
^ and what difference is that then us bumping our threads daily or not daily ? Your not going to agree with every suggestion.
 
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somebody posting I support for posts is really no different than someone going into the music section and posting a music video on the thread, or going here http://www.sythe.org/pokemmo/1517180-how-many-different-pokemon-your-pokedex-caught.html and posting 1000, or going here http://www.sythe.org/pokemmo/1517070-rarest-pokemon-you-have-caught-so-far.html and typing pikachu or going to the video section and posting a random youtube video. There are several sections which have equivalent spam and I'm sure the suggestion section won't be spam filled with 2-3 suggestions being suggested every day. In the end it doesn't even matter whether people support the idea or not if it is a good suggestion it will most likely be implemented if it is a bad suggestion it most likely won't at the moment you are relying on maybe 20-30 people's opinions and not the whole forum because having to post something besides their support deters them.

tl;dr infractions shouldn't be handed out for simply typing "I support"

This pretty sums up my opinion. Who really cares if some people get a bit of post count in the suggestions forum also, in addition to the countless other places they can spam safely? Post count doesn't do anything, its just a number that some can lord over others with their epenis.

This is a much better suggestion than removing post count in the suggestions forum.
 
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^ and what difference is that then us bumping our threads daily or not daily ? Your not going to agree with every suggestion.

Because you could just put "I support" on every thread in suggestions, not caring whether it gets approved or not and get like 10 posts.
 
No support... If you like a suggestion, then there's a reason that you like that suggestion or think it's a good idea. Therefore you can type if after "I support".
 
Agree, maybe each suggestion thread should have a poll so that people that genuinely wish to just support the idea can vote in the poll, while people that want to provide more detail to their standpoint.

How dare you steal my idea! Lol.

No support unfortunately, the only way this would work is by removing the Post Count. I wouldn't mind have the PC removed honestly, but then you are left with two outcomes;

1. Users wont care about looking in the suggestion forum anymore (Especially those who are just looking to get a post count)

Or

2. It will become a new SF in a sense that users will just go through posting "Support" On all the topics on the front page like mentioned before.

So, its either take away the rule and the post count, or leave the post count and just use polls to allow users to select Support or no Support.

I already suggested this on a previous thread

How about this then, users should post a poll in each suggestion they make, or maybe we can get a whole new script just for picking support/no support (Doubt that since voting is much easier) Inside the poll, users pick either Support, or don't support.

Anybody that doesn't have more to say other than support but wants everyone to know they do, can just use the poll. I think more users would actually use this type of system if there was a unique script or whatever that you can put on your suggestion thread. Users like us will leave are mile high paragraphs about why we support/disapprove of the idea, and users that just don't feel like explaining anything but want to cast a vote can just click a button and be done.
 
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