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Original Report by Fuzion LTD: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=912705

Essentially, Fuzion linked to a thread and accused Fatality of reselling an account that he had purchased.

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The report was dismissed since Fuzion did not provide proof that he had purchased the account, apart from knowledge of the account name.

Fatality vouched for Fuzion's purchase of the account in this thread:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=6423213#post6423213

Unfortunately, Fatality, like most recoverers, removes screenshots of the accounts from his threads after they're purchased. Thus, it remains to be shown that the account in question was, in fact, sniper w32.

Fortunately, Fatality missed an image when he went to delete them. The bank pic for the account Fuzion purchased was:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2914/sniperbank.png

Note, the image is named "sniperbank", and - again - the account Fuzion claims to have bought was Sniper w32. Since both accounts are advertised as 99 hunt, are both 1 prayer, and have similar gold stacks, and since Fuzion knew the name of the account, I believe it's reasonable to conclude that Fuzion did buy the account Fatality was reselling 3 months later.

The remaining objection would be that Fuzion recovered the payment, causing Fatality to recover the account. It's a reasonable objection, since Fuzion's report screenshot does not show Fatality's response to the accusation. However, Fatality damns himself by saying while attempting to resell the account:

I am the first and only owner of this account.

Assuming he sold Fuzion the account legitimately, and provided legitimate recovery info, he still would not be able to claim to be 'the first and only' owner of the account, even if Fuzion had recovered the payment. Thus, it would seem Fatality is guilty either of account recovery or of falsely advertising an at-risk account.

Fatality has been accused a couple other times of account recovery, but has offered refunds to get the reports closed. At the least, I think a TWC is appropriate.
 
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fatality said:
To start off I would like to point out that I can't really cover up my side with apposite proof as this really happened more then 14 months ago and might not remember everything as it actually was.
He used several MSNs troughout the trade and so I can't really find explenations everything right now.
Indeed, I sold him the account why should I even lie something about that? There's no exact proof on this report but I don't see why deny that.
He did ignore my messages ~3 months as I can remember. Back then few bucks really did matter for me, if he would of came back for the account, I would have just refunded him the original payment.
Recovering account itself was just for getting some of his attention, I didn't ment to but it up on market again in the first place but there was nothing else I could do since he was already banned and I couldn't get my last few bucks back.

After he contacted me I actually agreed to finish up the trade. I went first returning him the account with orignal cashpile but since it has been 14 months I have deleted those proofs and I can't really show anything..
I gave him the account and as there was no free trade back in 2010 he just died with the cashpile to another account. He didn't confess it and he just left MSN..
After some time carried on he started up another scam report trying to scam me what I had already given him.

After everything I have explained I can only provide you this kind of proof.
Don't you feel it's quite strange that a person checks out the account, doesn't worry about the cash on it and then just drops the case after selling 1M junk to it?
On this MSN he blocked me after cleaning up the bank.
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**Unfortunately, Fatality, like most recoverers, removes screenshots of the accounts from his threads after they're purchased. Thus, it remains to be shown that the account in question was, in fact, sniper w32.
Fatality, like most recoverers? Rather call it quilty before proven.
I delete picture to keep out new 'interested customers' running in, and in many cases people actually ask me to delete it.

**Fatality has been accused a couple other times of account recovery, but has offered refunds to get the reports closed. At the least, I think a TWC is appropriate.

I have sold tons of accounts, I can't possibly keep them all not touched. For accounts that are recovered from previous owner I'm offering full refund or another account if they are interested.
I'm having problems myself getting them to police, so far I have won all the cases there.

I'm extremely tired and it took sheeploads of time for me to finish this essey so I'm sorry for anything that sounds foolish and I'll review this all after I wake up.

Thanks,
~Fatality

 
 
 
 
 
 
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He seems to have left out a rather large portion of the explanation.

Recovering account itself was just for getting some of his attention, I didn't ment to but it up on market again in the first place but there was nothing else I could do since he was already banned and I couldn't get my last few bucks back.

He recovered an account just to get the buyer's attention? In what circumstance is that okay? What is this dispute over "a few bucks" referencing?

And even then, it doesn't excuse his claim that he was the 'first an only' owner of the account when he went to resell it. Three months really isn't that long, and he hadn't sold many accounts here by then; how could he forget what was apparently such a messy trade?
 
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Yeah looks like another TWC is coming, will take a 2nd opinion
 
I've only gone through his level 133 account he's had for sale (will do others later), but found that he's sold the account 3 times and currently trying to sell it. The reason I believe it's the same account is due to the title advertising extremely similar titles - all of them have 10x99s and the first 2 threads I've linked say it has a fire cape and a torso. For the change in combat level, you see on the current selling thread that the summoning level is 96 meaning he must of raised it and that's why it's different.

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=963713

Vouch! Sold Trinityy my account for 200$ very trusted buyer :)


http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1071164

Sold to zinx



http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1165879 - He doesn't say who he sold it to, but it's the 3rd thread saying sold.



http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1185135 - This is his current selling thread of the account.
 
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On behalf of I Fatality I:

Wow this is really annoying, guys do you understand that people often sell me back the account that I have sold them?
I really thought I'm doing a favor for the people but I'm being rewarded with a TWC instead?
I just buy them back with little lower price, I haven't scammed anybody just recovering the account randomly.

Tbh this is getting really annoying already.
 
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On behalf of I Fatality I:

I spoke to Trinityy, one of the buyers of the 133 account mentioned above. Trinityy says he sold the account to Mepis, and informed Fatality of the ownership change.

Mepis later reported the account as recovered, here:
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=995706

He concluded with the following:

Thanks for reminging me, I was about to update.

I got the account back. I Fatality I managed to recover it and it turns out a person he previously shared it with ages ago recovered it. The IP was an Estonian IP, so Trinityy is not at fault.

After a recovery war on the account, Mepis demanded a refund from Trinityy; to pay it, Trinityy in turn demanded a refund from Fatality. He says Fatality gave him 200m (half the purchase price of $200). Thus, to say that Fatality was doing a favor by rebuying the account is kind of a BS way of saying he partially refunded the account because it was being repeatedly hacked.

If he had the 'rebuy' the account two more times because some fellow Estonian kept hacking it, perhaps he shouldn't be selling the account in the first place. Anyway I'm satisfied with the TWC.
 
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Now that I have been accused of million different things and I have given explanation to all still greedy people like Trinityy still want to make money of me.
Back in Feb 1M RSGP was like $0.9-$1 per million so I did refund Trinityy the whole amount. We solved this thing in february and I have proof for that.
We even haven't talked with Trinityy since then, why the hell would he bring this up right now?
You want to TWC me with noreasonable things, I can't accept that.
Trinityy is banned for idk what reason and now he want's more from me. Fuck him.

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This is what Trinityy posted in the dispute section:

On the flip side, I would like to offer some of my input on the scam report on I Fatality I as Cosrob mentioned one of the accounts he sold me. His scam report could be found here: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1195302. Back in January 2011, I bought the account from Fatality. After owning it for a month I found it secure, and decided I wanted to resell it and let Fatality know. After a couple days, I sold it the account was recovered. The new buyer was able to recover the account with the details given, and we took a look at the last logged in IP. Coincidentally the IP matched a person who lived very close to Fatality's location. Fatality said that someone has been recovering account's lately from his country when he claimed to be the original owner. I've lost all the chat logs by this point as this was back in the beginning of the new year. If my word is not enough feel free to contact either "HamJam" who first MM'd the trade between Fatality and myself, or feel free to contact "Mepis" who was the new owner of the account when I sold it.
 
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Back in Feb 1M RSGP was like $0.9-$1 per million so I did refund Trinityy the whole amount. We solved this thing in february and I have proof for that.

Check the logs again. The convo before it took place on 25/03/11, which means that Fatality's MSN uses a date format of day/month/year. Thus, the refund that is shown as 02/04/11 was in April, not February. We updated the OMM rate to .5/m in the middle of March (http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1067010), by which point the rate had been fairly well established.

Also, I know the trade was forever ago, but logs still aren't proof.
 
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Trinityy posted again in the dispute section:

Just adding on to Fatality's response earlier. He did not give me a refund in February. The refund of 200m was given to me in early April. Although it was not a full refund, I took it so I could start working on a refund for the second victim of the account "Mepis". I later sold the 200m to Viou as you can see in my vouches thread. At that time RSGP was selling for .5/m to the trusted gold buyers.

In response to Fatality's quote.

"Wow this is really annoying, guys do you understand that people often sell me back the account that I have sold them?
I really thought I'm doing a favor for the people but I'm being rewarded with a TWC instead?
I just buy them back with little lower price, I haven't scammed anybody just recovering the account randomly.

Tbh this is getting really annoying already."



Myself NOR Mepis gave you permission to recover the account and I'm not sure if you consider that 200m refund "buying back the account" since that 200m was only worth $100. I hope Mepis responds to all this rigamarole as I believe he has pictures of the IP that was found after recovering the account. Coincidentally, the IP matches the same country Fatality is from. My guess is he recovered the account from a different location in the same country. If anymore information is needed please add my msn [email protected] as I don't want to waste room for other users in the dispute section.

Thanks.
 
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