How were we created?

[reindeer]

i believe that Earth is the only planet to have life, simply because of its position.

closer to the sun, its alot hotter, and life as we know it can't survive in those conditions. Mars doesn't have water, so life can't survive their either. The mixture we have on Earth is perfect for life to live, and survive.

Possibly, out there, in places far far away, there is life like ours. Different, ut similar in a way? perhaps less or more advanced.

 

[Kîllã Vîøléñ¢ë]

i believe that Earth is the only planet to have life, simply because of its position.

closer to the sun, its alot hotter, and life as we know it can't survive in those conditions. Mars doesn't have water, so life can't survive their either. The mixture we have on Earth is perfect for life to live, and survive.

Possibly, out there, in places far far away, there is life like ours. Different, ut similar in a way? perhaps less or more advanced.

Your points contradict each other

 

[torque1992]

animals..........

even ask your biology teacher or something (if yoru in high school)

 

[Typhoon]

i believe that Earth is the only planet to have life, simply because of its position.

closer to the sun, its alot hotter, and life as we know it can't survive in those conditions. Mars doesn't have water, so life can't survive their either. The mixture we have on Earth is perfect for life to live, and survive.

Possibly, out there, in places far far away, there is life like ours. Different, ut similar in a way? perhaps less or more advanced.

Its just our type of biological make that thrivies on water. Maybe other speices if any out there thrive on other chemical elements. Hydrogen... Chlorine...

 

[imnotcrazy357]

At one point, wasn't there nothing? If so, how could you have anything?



Then his existence is less probable than the universe's.



Questions that also apply to God. However, I do not believe in this theory.



Faith is basically delusion. It is accepting something with no evidence to back it up.



Many of these people exaggerate. Also, what of those who have such faith, and don't get amazing benefits? I'm sure the spectacular stories are usually the ones highlighted by the media.

With my belief in faith, there has never been a point of nothing, God has always been, will always be.


Because something is more complex leaves it to be less possible?

How is faith a delusion? There are true points throught the Bible that were stated in the Bible, then proved by science that they were true. These are predictions giving backing to the fact the Bible, is the knowing Word of God.

Exaggerations or not, they come from somewhere, Even if they are not Christian, but other beliefes there have been things, that are impossible to explain by science that happen in this world. People that don't beleive in the spiritual often choose to ignore.

You can also usually tell upon exaggerations. The people that do not reap benefits, may not be true to the faith. What about the little stories of faith that happen to people I know personally, Or people who have been "claimed" to have been possessed by demons or acted possessidly by demons.


Little story of faith that popped into my mind, and rant about it all you wish. My friend grabbed five bucks off his dresser, his mom had put there for his offering. We were going out after church. He had to decide to put the money in or not. He did, and wrapped in the 5 was a 10 dollar bill. You can claim that it would have been there anyways, but to you it still would be just a funny coincidence

 

[Shredderbeam]

With my belief in faith, there has never been a point of nothing, God has always been, will always be.

Why couldn't the universe have existed forever?

Because something is more complex leaves it to be less possible?

Not less possible, but less probable.

How is faith a delusion? There are true points throught the Bible that were stated in the Bible, then proved by science that they were true. These are predictions giving backing to the fact the Bible, is the knowing Word of God.

What unbiased predictions are there not involving Israel?

Exaggerations or not, they come from somewhere, Even if they are not Christian, but other beliefes there have been things, that are impossible to explain by science that happen in this world. People that don't beleive in the spiritual often choose to ignore.

There is always a secular explanation. Most people that I know who claim to have had spiritual experiences are emotionally weak, and need something to hold on to.

You can also usually tell upon exaggerations. The people that do not reap benefits, may not be true to the faith. What about the little stories of faith that happen to people I know personally, Or people who have been "claimed" to have been possessed by demons or acted possessidly by demons.

The possessed? They're insane. Literally.

Little story of faith that popped into my mind, and rant about it all you wish. My friend grabbed five bucks off his dresser, his mom had put there for his offering. We were going out after church. He had to decide to put the money in or not. He did, and wrapped in the 5 was a 10 dollar bill. You can claim that it would have been there anyways, but to you it still would be just a funny coincidence

It is a funny coincidence. Yet, if he hadn't put in the money, then he would have discovered it later, and had $15, instead of just $10. Unless God decided to violate the law, and placed a forged bill within?

And what of all the people who haven't found money wrapped within money? The only reason that he remembers that story is because it is unique. I'm sure he has had many, many other experiences that were not so miraculous.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

With my belief in faith, there has never been a point of nothing, God has always been, will always be.

Why couldn't the universe have existed forever?



Not less possible, but less probable.



What unbiased predictions are there not involving Israel?



There is always a secular explanation. Most people that I know who claim to have had spiritual experiences are emotionally weak, and need something to hold on to.



The possessed? They're insane. Literally.



It is a funny coincidence. Yet, if he hadn't put in the money, then he would have discovered it later, and had $15, instead of just $10. Unless God decided to violate the law, and placed a forged bill within?

And what of all the people who haven't found money wrapped within money? The only reason that he remembers that story is because it is unique. I'm sure he has had many, many other experiences that were not so miraculous.

did it create itself?

lemme break out my 9th grade science book and see.

Edit: it is not the the science book that I thought it was, tommorrow, If I have time, I will look for the article to support what I said.


Yes I could see how some are emotionally weak, or some are forced into religion without a choice. I chose religion from neither of these. Yes. my father left when I was young. But I never started attending a church until my 8th grade year. A had a step-father, but don't feel really in touch with him.


All possessed are insane? what about encounters with the spiritual, those shows on discovery, that show the Catholic priest always coming in to bless the "haunted house"

Funny coincidence I know. Yes he possible would have 15 dollars, but maybe if he wouldn't have been strong enough to make the choice to put it in, The other 10 would not be there. God has control over time.

Another man, an athiest who did not believe in God. This was actually a story at my chruch on sunday. He would come to my pastors old chruch every sunday at 7 before the sermon. He would give an offering, a fairly large one. One day my pastor asked Him, "Why do you do it?" The mans response was, "I'm afriad if I don't give, the money might stop coming"

This man an athiest was scared from the coincidence of how he recieved his money throught the week. That since he started giving offering, he always seemed to have enough money, He was poor until the day he started giving. Since then on, he gave money until he died, and lead richer life

 

[Shredderbeam]

did it create itself?

I don't claim to know.

Yes I could see how some are emotionally weak, or some are forced into religion without a choice. I chose religion from neither of these. Yes. my father left when I was young. But I never started attending a church until my 8th grade year. A had a step-father, but don't feel really in touch with him.

Then why are you religious? And specifically, why are you loyal to your current faith, as opposed to any other?

All possessed are insane? what about encounters with the spiritual, those shows on discovery, that show the Catholic priest always coming in to bless the "haunted house"

Don't believe whatever you see on T.V. The other day, I saw a show about a woman who was convinced that she was abducted by aliens that cured her of cancer.

Funny coincidence I know. Yes he possible would have 15 dollars, but maybe if he wouldn't have been strong enough to make the choice to put it in, The other 10 would not be there. God has control over time.

Good thing to know that God gives money to well-off families. I'd hate to see him answering the prayers of tens of thousands of children starving to death every day, or the four million or so women who have been raped to death in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Another man, an athiest who did not believe in God. This was actually a story at my chruch on sunday. He would come to my pastors old chruch every sunday at 7 before the sermon. He would give an offering, a fairly large one. One day my pastor asked Him, "Why do you do it?" The mans response was, "I'm afriad if I don't give, the money might stop coming"

This man an athiest was scared from the coincidence of how he recieved his money throught the week. That since he started giving offering, he always seemed to have enough money, He was poor until the day he started giving. Since then on, he gave money until he died, and lead richer life

I have a story: A man was quite unsuccessful at business. One day, he became an Atheist. Shortly after, his business boomed.

Did that prove anything? No. We can trade stories for ages, but it will not get anywhere.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

I don't claim to know.



Then why are you religious? And specifically, why are you loyal to your current faith, as opposed to any other?



Don't believe whatever you see on T.V. The other day, I saw a show about a woman who was convinced that she was abducted by aliens that cured her of cancer.



Good thing to know that God gives money to well-off families. I'd hate to see him answering the prayers of tens of thousands of children starving to death every day, or the four million or so women who have been raped to death in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.



I have a story: A man was quite unsuccessful at business. One day, he became an Atheist. Shortly after, his business boomed.

Did that prove anything? No. We can trade stories for ages, but it will not get anywhere.

alright

My faith started, when I was young, liked a girl who went to church, went there with some friends. I am loyal to my faith, as it seems more logical then any other faiths out there. I have researched others, which I do not believe to be as accurate as this one.

Were you watching Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer or Oprah. So I should not believe things I watch about evolution or the univrse ect. shows on the discovery channel.

My friend is not that well off. He attends a public school with no car, and devorced parents.

Who do you think is doing the most in all the thrid world contries in africa, south america, asia, and when the floods hit, hurricane katrina ect. Sure as hell wasn't/isn't the athiests.



was it the same day he became an athiest? what type of business, a bussiness of chance? and stories are fun =]

 

[Shredderbeam]

My faith started, when I was young, liked a girl who went to church, went there with some friends. I am loyal to my faith, as it seems more logical then any other faiths out there. I have researched others, which I do not believe to be as accurate as this one.

It only seems to be the most logical one because you grew up with it. The odds are, if you were raised a Muslim, or a Buddhist, you would be as devout to those religions are you are to your current one.

Were you watching Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer or Oprah. So I should not believe things I watch about evolution or the univrse ect. shows on the discovery channel.

Admittedly, it was the Science Fiction channel. The point I'm trying to make, however, is to take everything with a grain of salt. Check the facts for yourself, do a bit of research, etc.

My friend is not that well off. He attends a public school with no car, and devorced parents.

Compared to the entire world's population, he's almost certainly in the top 5%.

Who do you think is doing the most in all the thrid world contries in africa, south america, asia, and when the floods hit, hurricane katrina ect. Sure as hell wasn't/isn't the athiests.

The point I'm trying to make is that if God has time to give little kids money, he surely has time to save thousands of people from agonizing deaths.

was it the same day he became an athiest? what type of business, a bussiness of chance? and stories are fun =]

It was the next time he went into work. His business was construction. Just like that, he got a ton of contracts. Does his realizing of his true beliefs have anything to do with his business? I doubt it. What does this mean? It, like many other stories, was a coincidence.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

It only seems to be the most logical one because you grew up with it. The odds are, if you were raised a Muslim, or a Buddhist, you would be as devout to those religions are you are to your current one.

I was not raised Christian though. My parents were not Christians, and neither were my grandparents, the ones who had a great effect on my life. Yes, my grandparents who live along ways away are Catholic, but have had very little influence on my life. My great grandfather was Buddhist, born and raised in India.

The problim with the Islam religion, is that the Quran, has been edited throughout the years, the Bible has not.

Compared to the entire world's population, he's almost certainly in the top 5%

Compared with msot americans, he would be under 50%

The point I'm trying to make is that if God has time to give little kids money, he surely has time to save thousands of people from agonizing deaths.

"Little Kids" - lol
"Time" - lol

The belief in my religion, is that God has mastery over time, He sees past present and future, at once. A sign to a devoted Christian, isnt a waste of time, its a fact of which to share faith. It's also that God is not to be the ones to save these people, we are. As Christians we are to go to them and speak what we believe as the truth. If God was to show himself in every situation in which people are praying to other gods, and their prayers become asnwered, what does that look like?

It was the next time he went into work. His business was construction. Just like that, he got a ton of contracts. Does his realizing of his true beliefs have anything to do with his business? I doubt it. What does this mean? It, like many other stories, was a coincidence.

With Athiesm, he has no point in believing it wasn't a coincidence now does he? There would be no point in believe it as anymore, since nothing but laws govern the world, there is no faith, and reward.

Evolution could be classified as a coinciedence. Having fossils, that look like other could simply be a coincidence.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I was not raised Christian though. My parents were not Christians, and neither were my grandparents, the ones who had a great effect on my life. Yes, my grandparents who live along ways away are Catholic, but have had very little influence on my life. My great grandfather was Buddhist, born and raised in India.

Then Kudos to you. You're one of the few.

The problim with the Islam religion, is that the Quran, has been edited throughout the years, the Bible has not.

It's actually the other way around. Early copies of the Quran are exactly equal to copies that exist today. The Bible, on the other hand, is a bit different. It has been translated away from its original language several times (Aramaic, to Greek, to Latin, to English), and people have edited it every time there has been a new translation.

Compared with msot americans, he would be under 50%

And most people in the world wouldn't care. They'd just view him as a rich American.

The belief in my religion, is that God has mastery over time, He sees past present and future, at once. A sign to a devoted Christian, isnt a waste of time, its a fact of which to share faith. It's also that God is not to be the ones to save these people, we are. As Christians we are to go to them and speak what we believe as the truth. If God was to show himself in every situation in which people are praying to other gods, and their prayers become asnwered, what does that look like?

What of the Christian Africans who are starving to death?

With Athiesm, he has no point in believing it wasn't a coincidence now does he? There would be no point in believe it as anymore, since nothing but laws govern the world, there is no faith, and reward.

Well, if something is true, then it doesn't matter how unpleasant it is.

Evolution could be classified as a coinciedence. Having fossils, that look like other could simply be a coincidence.

A coincidence that, 10 million years from now, will continue on against all odds?

 

[imnotcrazy357]

Then Kudos to you. You're one of the few.

thank you.

It's actually the other way around. Early copies of the Quran are exactly equal to copies that exist today. The Bible, on the other hand, is a bit different. It has been translated away from its original language several times (Aramaic, to Greek, to Latin, to English), and people have edited it every time there has been a new translation.

I tend do disagree. In a class I took last year, it was stated that the Bible was the most accurate document from the early ages. Over 1500 manuscipts were found from long ago, alot on clay tablets. Many are still being found today, The History channel had a show, that had part of this. Anyways, the Bible is the most accurate, as all of these caly tabblets, have matached what we have in the original langauges.

The Quran, on the other hand has been changed a few times throughout history. I'm not sure when, but If you would like me to find my report on it, I would gladly do so.

And most people in the world wouldn't care. They'd just view him as a rich American.

Why are we trying to discuss how poor/rich the people I hangout with are?

What of the Christian Africans who are starving to death?

What of the Christian Africans, who are not.

Well, if something is true, then it doesn't matter how unpleasant it is.

I don't understand how this relates.

A coincidence that, 10 million years from now, will continue on against all odds?

Or a coincidence, that you could realize to be false, the minute you die.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I tend do disagree. In a class I took last year, it was stated that the Bible was the most accurate document from the early ages. Over 1500 manuscipts were found from long ago, alot on clay tablets. Many are still being found today, The History channel had a show, that had part of this. Anyways, the Bible is the most accurate, as all of these caly tabblets, have matached what we have in the original langauges.

These tablets weren't written at the time that the Bible was written. There was plenty of time for editing.

The Quran, on the other hand has been changed a few times throughout history. I'm not sure when, but If you would like me to find my report on it, I would gladly do so.

It actually hasn't, but go ahead and pull up that report.

Why are we trying to discuss how poor/rich the people I hangout with are?

I'm trying to show you how he's rich in comparison with the rest of the world. My point was that if God helped rich people like him, then he probably should help poor people too.

What of the Christian Africans, who are not.

There are Christian Africans. Christianity is growing at a tremendous pace there, especially among the most down-trodden.

I don't understand how this relates.

You tried to argue that there was no point in believing in Atheism due to the lack of rewards. Well, that doesn't matter. If it's correct, then the lack of rewards has nothing to do with how viable a belief system it is.

Or a coincidence, that you could realize to be false, the minute you die.

I'm talking about evolution, not the afterlife. To assume that all of evolution was one massive coincidence is a fallacy, for the odds are not contained in one specific point and time. They're spread out through the last four or so billion years.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

These tablets weren't written at the time that the Bible was written. There was plenty of time for editing.

The same could be said about any religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

Thought to be written earlier then 100 AD which isn't much time for edititng the Newt Testiment., yet the still could have been.

It actually hasn't, but go ahead and pull up that report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raw-SB7AjMo

many videos like this on youtube

The latest copy of the Quran was found around 400 AD I believe. It had some differences then the book we have now. This would provide even more time fore editing.

I'm trying to show you how he's rich in comparison with the rest of the world. My point was that if God helped rich people like him, then he probably should help poor people too.

Your saying God doesn't help poor people by proving that my friend is under the average american family, and is being helped?

There are Christian Africans. Christianity is growing at a tremendous pace there, especially among the most down-trodden.

Yes, you said why doesn't God help the African Christians. I retorted with What of the ones God does help. What you have said doesnt realte.

You tried to argue that there was no point in believing in Atheism due to the lack of rewards. Well, that doesn't matter. If it's correct, then the lack of rewards has nothing to do with how viable a belief system it is.

I tried to argue, that there would be no point in his business booming the next day. For the fact that athiesm does have a lack of rewards. There would be no point if He chose the right belief, which is the belief of nothing creating this or omnipotent, then He shouldn't have been rewarded.

Could this of not been the act of the devil, proving that by not choosing Christianity, that he rewards you.

I'm talking about evolution, not the afterlife. To assume that all of evolution was one massive coincidence is a fallacy, for the odds are not contained in one specific point and time. They're spread out through the last four or so billion years.

For me to believe in billions of years, I would then have to deny my faith.

 

[Shredderbeam]

The same could be said about any religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

Thought to be written earlier then 100 AD which isn't much time for edititng the Newt Testiment., yet the still could have been.

They include copies of Biblical documents written before 100 A.D. And, don't forget, it's copies. To claim to copy something accurately does not make it so.

Most of them refer to alternative "gospels".

The latest copy of the Quran was found around 400 AD I believe. It had some differences then the book we have now. This would provide even more time fore editing.

The Quran was actually written some time during the 7th century.

Your saying God doesn't help poor people by proving that my friend is under the average american family, and is being helped?

No, I'm saying that if God is willing to help your friend, then why doesn't he help others, who need it more?

Yes, you said why doesn't God help the African Christians. I retorted with What of the ones God does help. What you have said doesnt realte.

Ah, I see.

Christian Africans are a very large part of those dying due to starvation. Why isn't God helping them?

I tried to argue, that there would be no point in his business booming the next day. For the fact that athiesm does have a lack of rewards. There would be no point if He chose the right belief, which is the belief of nothing creating this or omnipotent, then He shouldn't have been rewarded.

Fair enough.

Could this of not been the act of the devil, proving that by not choosing Christianity, that he rewards you.

It could have been, or it could have been an unrelated coincidence.

For me to believe in billions of years, I would then have to deny my faith.

No, you would have to accept that part of the Bible is metaphorical.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

They include copies of Biblical documents written before 100 A.D. And, don't forget, it's copies. To claim to copy something accurately does not make it so.

Most of them refer to alternative "gospels".

Alrighty

The Quran was actually written some time during the 7th century.

Why would a document written later in History, that includes parts of another religion be more correct, then the older religion itself?

No, I'm saying that if God is willing to help your friend, then why doesn't he help others, who need it more?

Is God simply servant to help everyone? no. I would like you to find a Christians in Africa, who are not recieiving support from missionaries, or help from them.

Christian Africans are a very large part of those dying due to starvation. Why isn't God helping them?

Is it Christians or is it just Africans? You expect everything to happen immediately? over time africa is becoming more modernized. THis is also providing food to those who need.

Helping my friend is just as important, then in Africa, It gives him a starting point to share Christ, with people in our own country.

It could have been, or it could have been an unrelated coincidence.

alright

No, you would have to accept that part of the Bible is metaphorical.

explain.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Why would a document written later in History, that includes parts of another religion be more correct, then the older religion itself?

I'm not saying it's more correct. I'm saying that the text is more accurate.

Older does not necessarily mean better.

Is God simply servant to help everyone? no. I would like you to find a Christians in Africa, who are not recieiving support from missionaries, or help from them.

You're right. God should either help everybody, or nobody at all. Hence why I doubt your friend's story.

Helping my friend is just as important, then in Africa, It gives him a starting point to share Christ, with people in our own country.

A very vague way to prove a particular religion.

explain.

You said that to believe in billions of years would require to deny your faith. There are plenty of Christians who believe that the Earth is billions of years old.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

I'm not saying it's more correct. I'm saying that the text is more accurate.

I'm saying that its not.

Older does not necessarily mean better.

If you think about it in religion, wouldn't it? I doubt many people would follow a religion you make up tommorrow.

You're right. God should either help everybody, or nobody at all. Hence why I doubt your friend's story.

I did not say that. God has a purpose to help who he helps, and who he does not.

A very vague way to prove a particular religion.

Sure why not.

You said that to believe in billions of years would require to deny your faith. There are plenty of Christians who believe that the Earth is billions of years old.

most of those Christians also do not believe the entire Bible as truth. Polls show that most Christians believe most of the Bible, not all, which is a contradiction of the faith.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I'm saying that its not.

The thing is, you're wrong.

If you think about it in religion, wouldn't it? I doubt many people would follow a religion you make up tommorrow.

Fine. Go back to the oldest religion - a form of sun-worship.

I did not say that. God has a purpose to help who he helps, and who he does not.

Not very fair of him.

most of those Christians also do not believe the entire Bible as truth. Polls show that most Christians believe most of the Bible, not all, which is a contradiction of the faith.

Not really. They just accept that certain parts of the Bible are metaphors.