How does the community feel about feedback being allowed vs vouches?

[Pain]

Hey guys,

Some of you reading this may not be able to recall the decision I'm going to refer to in this post and that's fine.

This is not a suggestion as it's in feedback, I personally know how I feel about the above but I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks instead of just suggesting something and having it shot down.

A few years ago a suggestion on Sythe was made to allow offsite feedback be listed as "feedback" on threads instead of vouches from sythe only. This as you can imagine was a controversial one, the people who had spent the time building large amounts of Sythe vouches were strongly against it and the people who had smaller sythe reputations but much larger reputations elsewhere(pb,osbot,hf,tribot, whatever) were very much so for it.

I think this decision was one of the worst in sythe history, I have reputations everywhere now so please don't consider me a biased party, I think this ruling took a lot of sythes market away.

Let me explain what I mean by that:
Sythe vouches were sorely devalued and almost rendered useless, in the days before this decision people would actually do skilling for free for vouches, sell bonds cheap or sell gold cheaper just to get a quality vouch. Now adays none of this is done because you can claim "feedback" from any forum you want(any forum period) and add it up ontop of your sythe vouches giving the big traders a utter monopoly on reputation and vouches which I believe has damaged the market.

Sythes market was a more active better place when only Sythe vouches were allowed to be used on sythe, 100+ vouches or 1000+ vouches or something similar was a BIG deal when it came to selecting who you were going to trade with. Now adays people might have 20 reputation on each forum and claim 200+ feedback even though they may not be actively using sythe itself. I think allowing feedback on sythe has led to causing damage to its marketplace.

People no longer have to use Sythe to sell or buy goods to get the vouches if they want to advertise here and get quality traffic(by having vouches here), instead people are going to other forums and trading there and then just lumping everything together and calling it feedback.

Let me restate that as this is critical: people are not trading on sythe anymore because they don't need to, they can trade elsewhere on any forum and still consider that trade usable on Sythe, this is a critical point when it comes to this decision, people simply are not using Sythe to trade anymore because Sythes reputation cant be used elsewhere but reputation from elsewhere can be used on Sythe, I believe after how long this decision has stood that you can see that Sythes market is worse off allowing feedback vs just sythe vouches.

I personally have not had someone ask for a vouch page in over 6 months(seriously), all people look at now is your profile and your donor status because vouches have been rendered utterly useless.

I would like to reopen discussions and get feedback on whether the Sythe community would be open to reverting back to the old "sythe vouches only" when claiming reputation/vouches in threads/titles.

I truly do believe that allowing all feedback allows for huge traders to utterly monopolize when they can claim 10k+ feedback, the Chinese can claim feedback from any odd Chinese trading forum they want, randoms on the forums can claim feedback from osbot or another site even though they may of never even did a trade on Sythe, I truly think this has impacted Sythes market in a very negative way and would like to see us revert back to Sythe vouches only.

I think I'm the right person to hopefully be making this because I have reputations spread across the board so I can tell you I am not biased when it comes to this issue- I fundamentally believe Sythe has lost something great by allowing feedback.

Would you guys be okay restricting Sythe to vouches only again? What are the perks or downsides to it?

I know I may get some hate or irritate some people who don't have large Sythe reputations and use their offsite feedback but guys- This is SYTHE.ORG's MARKET, not some other forums market, osbot and PB don't even let you mention sythe or url's on their forums or you get punished, Sythes market has suffered due to this change and I think its time to revert back.

Please leave feedback below on what your thoughts are, this is just a very early discussion on the matter and that's why its in the feedback forum not the suggestion forum.

 

[Pain]

I would like @Sythe to weigh in on this one if he is willing, I do not think this is the largest factor in less users using the market but I do think it is contributing to it due to this point in particular:

Let me restate that as this is critical: people are not trading on sythe anymore because they don't need to, they can trade elsewhere on any forum and still consider that trade usable on Sythe, this is a critical point when it comes to this decision, people simply are not using Sythe to trade anymore because Sythes reputation cant be used elsewhere but reputation from elsewhere can be used on Sythe, I believe after how long this decision has stood that you can see that Sythes market is worse off allowing feedback vs just sythe vouches.


I also think that something is wrong when vouches arent a big deal anymore, that's SYTHES reputation system, it shouldn't be that your mixing reputations with other forums and calling it "feedback" is better than saying 50+ sythe vouches, vouches used to mean a lot more then they do now and I'm kind of disappointed Sythes reputation system has fallen so far! I think someone should take notice and realize perhaps a change is needed!

 

[S]

I would like to reopen discussions and get feedback on whether the Sythe community would be open to reverting back to the old "sythe vouches only" when claiming reputation/vouches in threads/titles.

I didn't read all that, but I assume this is your suggestion/discussion parameter?

No support either way. Free market.

Why discourage people using feedback on other forums here, if anything, it only deters them from using Sythe.org.

However, I have no issue having people stipulate where feedback is from/gained. Maybe that's something we can encourage, and perhaps amend as a rule.

One thing people seem to repeatedly suggest here, is continuous intervention in the market. There is no need to monitor the site, in particular, the market, with a fine tooth comb. Let it run its natural course.

 

[SuF]

I didn't read all that, but I assume this is your suggestion/discussion parameter?

No support either way. Free market.

Why discourage people using feedback on other forums here, if anything, it only deters them from using Sythe.org.

However, I have no issue having people stipulate where feedback is from/gained. Maybe that's something we can encourage, and perhaps amend as a rule.

One thing people seem to repeatedly suggest here, is continuous intervention in the market. There is no need to monitor the site, in particular, the market, with a fine tooth comb. Let it run its natural course.

Yeah that. As long as people are being open and honest then why should we give a shit where people are getting feedback from?

 

I don't like people being able to come to Sythe with off-site feedback as I always viewed it as the reputation comes with your name, not promoting your business elsewhere on a Sythe thread.

That said, as long as it's clear where the feedback is coming from to the point of a customer being able to check it then I'm not bothered by it.

 

Unless something changed from around February 2016, this is already the case bus. Only sythe vouches are allowed on sythe. Anything else should be reported and removed

 

[Heads447]

Let me restate that as this is critical: people are not trading on sythe anymore because they don't need to, they can trade elsewhere on any forum and still consider that trade usable on Sythe, this is a critical point when it comes to this decision, people simply are not using Sythe to trade anymore because Sythes reputation cant be used elsewhere but reputation from elsewhere can be used on Sythe, I believe after how long this decision has stood that you can see that Sythes market is worse off allowing feedback vs just sythe vouches.

My head hurts, this is probably the longest run-on sentence I have ever seen in my life. I'm struggling to comprehend as to where you got this information from. Seeing as there is no evidence to back up your statement, this is entirely a baseless argument.

 

[kc]

I thought only Sythe vouches are allowed as of now?

 

I thought only Sythe vouches are allowed as of now?

No, you're allowed to use off side feedback as long as it displayed as feedback and not vouches will ask @Mootrucks To confirm if I'm correct.
Since I haven't been active in the market in over 6 months.

 

[Superfluous]

No, you're allowed to use off side feedback as long as it displayed as feedback and not vouches will ask @Mootrucks To confirm if I'm correct.
Since I haven't been active in the market in over 6 months.

yeah thats right

 

Unless something changed from around February 2016, this is already the case bus. Only sythe vouches are allowed on sythe. Anything else should be reported and removed

I believe the ruling was you're not allowed to have feedback in the title and you can't combine feedback with vouches as your total. If you had feedback elsewhere, you'd have to separate them in all of your posts. I think that's fine as it is.

 

I believe the ruling was you're not allowed to have feedback in the title and you can't combine feedback with vouches as your total. If you had feedback elsewhere, you'd have to separate them in all of your posts. I think that's fine as it is.

Yeah that's it. Seems fair to me. Can't put like 10K feedback in your total if that's 2k sythe vouches, 4k osbot and 4k powerbot. You have to differentiate them in your post and link them, and only sythe vouches are allowed in titles. Seems fair to me

 

[EditMyThread]

My head hurts, this is probably the longest run-on sentence I have ever seen in my life. I'm struggling to comprehend as to where you got this information from. Seeing as there is no evidence to back up your statement, this is entirely a baseless argument.

Completely agree with this statement. ^^

No need not to allow for people to use feedback from other websites/markets in their favor. If anything, revoking this freedom we currently have will limit the market section activity IMO.

Also, I think it's a privilege that's SPECIALLY helpful to those who didn't necessarily start out on Sythe and are looking for honest ways to grow their business/get customers. Trust me, it can be extremely hard to compete with guys on here who've accumulated hundreds, if not thousands of vouches along the years, regardless of how honest/legit you might be.