Homosexual rights

[SHAUN5555555555]

Gay is wrong!!!, that is so fkn nasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its supposed to be a man and a woman, like adam and eve..

 

[DarkSpark]

This thread is against gay rights, the title "Red sauce on pasta" is relating to "straight sex". Please post your idea's comments, expect me to gfo against them if you go against me.

12 reasons gay rights are bad.

Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.

Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.

Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.

Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.

Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.

Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.

Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.


Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always

constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.


Why This Is A Serious Civil Rights Issue
When gay people say that this is a civil rights issue, we are referring to matters of civil justice, which often can be quite serious - and can have life-damaging, even life-threatening consequences.
One of these is the fact that in most states, we cannot make medical decisions for our partners in an emergency. Instead, the hospitals are usually forced by state laws to go to the families who may have been estranged from us for decades, who are often hostile to us, and can and frequently do, totally ignore our wishes regarding the treatment of our partners. If a hostile family wishes to exclude us from the hospital room, they may legally do so in most states. It is even not uncommon for hostile families to make decisions based on their hostility -- with results consciously intended to be as inimical to the interests of the patient as possible! Is this fair?

Upon death, in many cases, even very carefully drawn wills and durable powers of attorney have proven to not be enough if a family wishes to challenge a will, overturn a custody decision, or exclude us from a funeral or deny us the right to visit a partner's hospital bed or grave. As survivors, estranged families can, in nearly all states, even sieze a real estate property that a gay couple may have been buying together for many years, quickly sell it at the largest possible loss, and stick the surviving partner with all the remaining mortgage obligations on a property that partner no longer owns, leaving him out on the street, penniless. There are hundreds of examples of this, even in many cases where the gay couple had been extremely careful to do everything right under current law, in a determined effort to protect their rights. Is this fair?

If our partners are arrested, we can be compelled to testify against them or provide evidence against them, which legally married couples are not forced to do. In court cases, a partner's testimony can be simply ruled irrelevant as heresay by a hostile judge, having no more weight in law than the testimony of a complete stranger. If a partner is jailed or imprisoned, visitation rights by the partner can, in most cases, can be denied on the whim of a hostile family and the cooperation of a homophobic judge, unrestrained by any law or precedent. Conjugal visits, a well-established right of heterosexual married couples in some settings, are simply not available to gay couples. Is this fair?

These are far from being just theoretical issues; they happen with surprising frequency. Almost any older gay couple can tell you numerous horror stories of friends and acquaintences who have been victimized in such ways. One couple I know uses the following line in the "sig" lines on their email: "...partners and lovers for 40 years, yet still strangers before the law." Why, as a supposedly advanced society, should we continue to tolerate this kind of injustice?

These are all civil rights issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with the ecclesiastical origins of marriage; they are matters that have become enshrined in state laws by legislation or court precedent over the years in many ways that exclude us from the rights that legally married couples enjoy and even consider their constitutional right. This is why we say it is very much a serious civil rights issue; it has nothing to do with who performs the ceremony, whether it is performed in a church or courthouse or the local country club, or whether an announcement about it is accepted for publication in the local newspaper.

Gay Couples are Unnatural

The idea that gay marriage is wrong because gay couples are somehow unnatural is not often stated openly, but this premise influences other arguments and lies behind many people’s negative opinions about homosexuality in general. For most people, heterosexual relationships are the norm, both in society and in nature. Homosexual relationships are thus abnormal and unnatural; therefore, they shouldn’t be validated by the state nor recognized as a form of marriage.

Such arguments are superficially effective because they try to harness the power of apparently neutral and objective categories like “nature” and “natural” in support of one’s position. In this manner a person can try to slough off accusations of bigotry and intolerance because, after all, it’s just a matter of factual observation as to what is and is not a proper part of the natural order and/or what is mandated by natural law.

It’s no more bigoted or intolerant than observing the dropped objects fall down rather than up, or that bears mate with other bears rather than with deer.
In reality, however, claims about the natural order or natural law only end up being masks for religious, political, or social prejudices — including those that rise to level of bigotry. The philosophical veneer might at times be impressive, but we must not fail to look beneath the surface in order to understand what the real ideas and arguments are. One means for doing that is to ask the not-so-easy question of just what is meant by “natural” and “unnatural.”

A common and simplistic meaning is that heterosexual relationships are “natural” because that is what we find in nature, whereas we don’t find homosexual relationships. The latter are therefore unnatural and should not be validated by society. A perfect example of this attitude towards the “unnaturalness” of homosexuality was expressed by Peter Akinola, Anglican Archbishop of Nigeria:

I cannot think of how a man in his senses would be having a sexual relationship with another man. Even in the world of animals — dogs, cows, lions — we don’t hear of such things.
There are many possible objections to this. First, humans are obviously a part of nature, so if humans have homosexual relationships, is that not therefore a part of nature? Second, we don’t find dogs, cows, and lions entering into legal marriage contracts with one another — does that mean that legal marriage as an institution is “unnatural” and should be eliminated?

Those objections point to the logical flaws in the argument, revealing what was described above: it’s merely a philosophical veneer applied to personal prejudices. Just as important, however, is that the argument is factually false. Homosexual activity and homosexual relationships can be found throughout nature — in dogs, cows, lions and more. With some species, homosexual activity is quite common and regular. This means that the argument isn’t just a philosophical veneer, it’s a cheap and poorly applied veneer to boot.

Sometimes the argument that homosexual relationships and homosexuality are “unnatural” might be meant in the sense that it doesn’t really flow from “human nature” in its raw state, untainted by civilization. Presumably this is supposed to mean that if it weren’t for the society around us, no one would be gay — we’d only ever want to mate with or have intimate relationships with members of the opposite sex.

There is no evidence offered to back this up — not even false evidence, as with the prior argument. Yet even if we accept that it is true, so what? The mere fact that humans wouldn’t do something when in a “state of nature” outside the confines of civilization is absolutely no reason to conclude that they also shouldn’t do it when living within civilization. We wouldn’t drive cars or use computers outside of the structures of civilizations, so should we stop doing them while a part of society?

Very often the argument that homosexual relationships are “unnatural” is meant to describe the fact that they do not and cannot lead to the creation of children, which is supposed to be the “natural” consequence of such intimate relationships, especially marriage. This argument also isn’t effective, but the relationship between marriage and raising children is addressed in more detail elsewhere.

Ultimately, the “homosexuality is unnatural” argument fails to support the case against same-sex marriage because there is no clear and convincing content to the concept of “unnatural” in the first place. Everything that is claimed to be “unnatural’ is either arguably very natural, arguably irrelevant to what the laws should be, or is simply immaterial to what should be treated as moral and immoral. It's no coincidence that what is "unnatural" also happens to be condemned by the speaker's religious or cultural traditions. Just because some trait or activity isn’t the norm among humans doesn’t make it “unnatural” and therefore wrong.

You know what, fuck god and all the other bullshit reasons you have... As a human being with our own conscience we are entitled to make our own descisions. Gay sex is the greatest form of contraception around.

I mean come on... You fall for who you fall for there should be no bounds on the sex of that p[erson.... And what is wrong with a gay relationship anyways... I mean if i honestly posted a topic on here which was lesbians or perhaps two bi-sexual girls and one guy i ponder how many of the people who dont support gay rights would care... Honestly... It is such a bad thing for guys to be gay but girls are fine.

Honestly you can read through the bible and rip a verse out of it to support any view on most topics you want. Personally people should leave homosexuals alone and start focussing on things such as paedophiliacs, rapists etc... I mean the only reason we have gay people now is because we are in a more accepting society.



more to come later.....

 

[Vlad]

I am a catholic.

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

 

[Stuart]

I swear it's all the 10 year olds voting no because they see it as nasty however if someone has feelings for someone else regardless of gender it is the persons decision if you don't like the way they do things then that is YOUR problem not them.

 

[S3xpert]

its wrong, if ur gay....wow gay
thats y god created 2 diff sex

 

[Clashfan]

Gay is wrong!!!, that is so fkn nasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its supposed to be a man and a woman, like adam and eve..

Thanks for expressing your opinion so articulately.

 

[Ins4n3 m0nk]

eve was a guy.

 

[Snoopaloop]

im all for it just dont want them doing anything in public...

 

[amourpaix]

I am a catholic.

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

yeah? too bad the only evidence that god exist is the bible. which is a book if you havent noticed.

i love how men are just all over lesbians, they all LOVE lesbians, hell i do.
but if your gay, ohhh, no way, dont even go there.
*cough* ignorant *cough*

 

[Spereff]

Yes, but if you believe that God is the creator of everything we know on Earth, you must accept he is also the creator of homosexuality.

I believe that of course, God is the creator of everything, but originally he intended everything to be heterosexual. Homsexuality could've been something devoloped by the humans, and not God. I think in the bible, it says 2 genders aren't supposed to match.

1000th post woot.

 

[paladen]

yeah? too bad the only evidence that god exist is the bible. which is a book if you havent noticed.

i love how men are just all over lesbians, they all LOVE lesbians, hell i do.
but if your gay, ohhh, no way, dont even go there.
*cough* ignorant *cough*

I never brought in porn. Porn is counted as wrong, but most of the porn gay stuff, is fake, although the people are real and enjoy each other. As far as I am concerned porn does not count in this category.

 

[amourpaix]

I never brought in porn. Porn is counted as wrong, but most of the porn gay stuff, is fake, although the people are real and enjoy each other. As far as I am concerned porn does not count in this category.

what?
i never brought in porn either idiot.
do you know what lesbian means? a homosexual woman. yay good job.
btw, almost all porn is fake. if were thinking of the same thing.

do you even know anybody who is gay?

I believe that of course, God is the creator of everything, but originally he intended everything to be heterosexual. Homsexuality could've been something devoloped by the humans, and not God. I think in the bible, it says 2 genders aren't supposed to match.

1000th post woot.

if your christian then yes, god is the creator of everything.
if your gay, you are born, naturally with homosexuality. unless your a fake, and your one of those guys who is "just trying it out" or something.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Gay is wrong!!!, that is so fkn nasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its supposed to be a man and a woman, like adam and eve..

I think that a little vacation from SFA would do you some good.

P.S. - Adam and Eve didn't exist.

I am a catholic.

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Well, since you seem to adhere to your religions claims rather than formulate your own opinion, I'll break it to you: Adam and Eve didn't exist.

I swear it's all the 10 year olds voting no because they see it as nasty however if someone has feelings for someone else regardless of gender it is the persons decision if you don't like the way they do things then that is YOUR problem not them.

You seem to be correct.

its wrong, if ur gay....wow gay
thats y god created 2 diff sex

Yet, as Finn stated, he also created homosexuality. Overwhelming scientific evidence shows that homosexuality is not due to an arbitrary choice that people make.

 

[DarkSpark]

I am a catholic.

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

As a catholic you have no right to talk... The catholic church deemed it right to wage war on most of the rest of te world back in the day... How is starting wars right? as a catholic saying that because GOD says that it shoudlnt be done you are one great big fat ugly hypocrite.

And i would like to agree with Shredder, Homosexuality is generally speaking NOT a choice. It isn't the persons fault that they find people of the same sex atractive... Trust me a LOT of gays spend most of their life wishing they were straight... And there is no point pretending to be straight i know plenty of gays and they have ALL tried having sex with people of the opposing sex however they didn't enjoy it as they dont find the other sex appealing in a sexual way.

If anything you should be picking on Bisexuals... It is more likely that THEY are doing it by choice.

 

[xxsick slipxx]

Bieng gay is perfectly fine people! meh! i know 3 gay guys and there probably some of the best people i know

 

[billabong69]

does anybody here, have any real physical experience with a gay person?
i doubt it.
first of all, the thing that really got on my nerves was, "being gay is unnatural"
your born with it, thats how it is. my brother for example, is gay. he didnt decide when he was 8 years old, "well, im gonna be gay now" he probably didnt even know what that was!
my mom said she always knew something was different about him, she said she knew by age 5.
being gay is natural.
gay marriage would also be lovely because adoption.
you ever see those signs saying "2 million babys are being waited to be adopted"
yeah, a ton of them arent. because straight couples figure, well if im gonna have a kid i want to him/her to be like me. etc etc.
with gay couples, you kinda dont have a choice. and if a gay couple wanted a kid, the majority would treat it good. considering they put a lot of thought into it etc...
um...in straight couples, there a millions of abuse cases with children, and divorces and so on. so uh...how are those uh, heterosexual marriages working out? seems those are causing lots of trouble, maybe we should make that illegal. (not really, just a figure of speach)
hate to sound like an idiot but...
just try me all you right wing christian homophobes.

Uh huh, because us heterosexuals are all evil monster seeking the destruction of this world and all it's moral foundations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/10/ngay110.xml

Hmm, seems that calling someone a poof can get you 7 years, under the proposed law. So much for freedom of speech.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f59_1191946711

Apparently, these disgusting paintings are supposed to be art. This is the sort of filth you will all be seing soon, thanks to our politically correct, gay loving world. This is the sort of shit, your not only expected to tolerate, but praise. Fortunately, there are still moral people in this world.

I have nothing wrong with gays living their lives as normal people, and not parading to every one about their private lives. But when I am expected to like their abominable acts, that's when I get angry.

 

[Shawn_]

I almost though the first part of the first post was serious for a while.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Apparently, these disgusting paintings are supposed to be art. This is the sort of filth you will all be seing soon, thanks to our politically correct, gay loving world. This is the sort of shit, your not only expected to tolerate, but praise. Fortunately, there are still moral people in this world.

Honestly, I don't really care about those paintings. They don't really upset me that much. Yeah, it's probably not appropriate for children, but so is much of art.

I have nothing wrong with gays living their lives as normal people, and not parading to every one about their private lives. But when I am expected to like their abominable acts, that's when I get angry.

Well, I wouldn't call their acts "abominable", but if you're fine with them being able to live normally, then I'm happy.

 

I don't care, as long as the gays don't hit on me >.<

On a side note, I like how you post both views paladen

 

[rs nechryeal]

You sir, are a fool. Does it really matter what people do to you this much that you feel the need to write this? Religion is blown out of proportion impossibly so anything that you want can fit in there. To me, none of your facts are making sence. Gay marrage does not encourage people to be gay. If you were raised by straight people you don't always turn out gay. How do you think gay got started? Single parents are not forbiden to raise children. I can go on and on about this but I will summarise it. Gay rights are good. I think we discriminate too much against people and you are the cause of this. Leave gay people alone kid.